The War Is Coming Home -- The Judgment Is Seated

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Apostate Christianity, thinly disguised as what is commonly known as Conservative Fundamentalism, will cause this American nation to witness, first hand in the “land of the free,” the full expression of the Beast power of Revelation eleven and thirteen. We shall observe a religious despotism to which no mere nationalistic fervor can attain; which can only be accomplished by the animalistic, superstitious perversion of the true fundamental, Scripture-based religion. In that perverted religion we will observe unimagined atrocities committed against the “unbeliever” – the infidel – which atrocities they consider not only acceptable by God, but a sacrament to His honor. We are to observe, and the majority to experience, much of the brutality reborn from the Crusades, many of whom then thought it sacramental to eat the cooked flesh of the Muslim men, women and children they slaughtered in the name of the meek and lowly Jesus. It was also considered by many at that time, that the extermination of even fellow Christians was desirable if their faith was not fully congruent with that of the ones in power – the ones who held the sword.

Now this nation has a leader who not only professes a born-again Christian faith, but openly claims that God, Himself, has commissioned him to instigate the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of those he deems as a “threat to democracy.” The twisted logic which permits him to rationalize thousands of infants and small children into a threat to democracy, defies any definition gleaned from even the most comprehensive lexicon.

When a group, who has attained such a level of political and social power as have the NeoCons and the “Moral Majority” (or more generically, conservative Fundamentalist Christians), invokes the name of God and His authority for what they do, it follows that there is no higher power to which appeal can be made. Thus any act perpetrated under that supposed authority is divinely acceptable; no variance from its decrees, tolerable. This was the ideology of the Crusades, and shall be again for those who, in this last age, claim the name of the Son of God, while blaspheming it with their acts of religious bigotry, camouflaged under the covering of scriptural authority and Christian Conservatism.

The manifestation of this brutality, for which they will use God as their authority for its commission, will of course assume the shape and form appropriate to the age in which it will now occur. That is, broad swords and crucifix-emblazoned horses and shields will be replaced by instruments more suitable to the 21st Century. One such instrument is a highly controlled news media, that can, and will excite the mindless cattle, known euphemistically as Americans, into a hyper-patriotic frenzy, commonly called a mob, to execute their plans for them. These, coupled with a barrage of laws, i.e., The Patriot Act, et. al., designed to reduce the U. S. Constitution to little more than a common scrap of paper, will demonstrate the full revelation of what motivated the aforementioned Crusades.

What we see in this growing movement of praetorian Christian extremism is the complete abandonment of the truly fundamental religious principles upon which the Christian faith was founded – that being the conversion of the adherent’s soul into the living expression of the pure life of Christ. This kind of fundamentalism, impossible by human effort, presented as a gift, cannot be found ever making war on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction – even if that pretext were perfectly accurate. This brand of religion, in its unpolluted state, will never be seen in its imagination placing Jesus in the cockpit of a high-tech military killing machine. This true iteration of Christianity will love with a love that lays down its life rather than exact harm on another.

How much do we see of these principles, even idealized rhetorically let alone lived, in this current demonic, pagan Christendom proliferating throughout America? How often do we witness the Second Coming of Christ in the manner set forth in Scripture, which says that He “shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe…” or the ideal of “…a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”? Do we ever hear any of the so-called national conservative Christian leaders present that standard, without at least some collateral observation (read: disclaimer) that says, in effect, that we are only human, and God is not sufficient to the task of regenerating humanity to His standards?

The majority of practicing Muslims, in what these modern pagan Christians consider a false religion, seem to be far more Christ-like, much more loving and devoted, than virtually any Christians found living in the “good ‘ol US of A.” The atrocities we see perpetrated by professed Muslims against their own, in Iraq, are simply the same reprobate expressions of human nature we see exhibited by American forces there, but which receive virtually no media coverage in the US. What we shall see in this nation, and which is revealed in Bible prophecy, is that same exhibition of morally and spiritually vacuous activity as we now witness in Wahhabist Islam, for they are motivated by the same spirit. And we shall witness the same atrocities here at home (although Americanized in their manifestation) that we observe currently in Iraq. Women, children, infants, none will be exempt from sacramental atrocities and summary execution, because the twisted logic of those of the “true faith,” (whatever the name of that faith – I am calling it conservative, Fundamentalist Christianity for this moment) deems that any who will not bow the knee to the tenets of their faith are essentially sub-human primates, with no more right to life than the beef they had for dinner the night before.

There is hardly a more pervasively accurate utterance in Scripture than, “Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.” Behold, America, the war is coming home, the Judgment is seated, and it is too late to prepare for it. Your house is left unto you, desolate.
 
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GabrielET said:
Apostate Christianity, thinly disguised as what is commonly known as Conservative Fundamentalism, will cause this American nation to witness, first hand in the “land of the free,” the full expression of the Beast power of Revelation eleven and thirteen. We shall observe a religious despotism to which no mere nationalistic fervor can attain; which can only be accomplished by the animalistic, superstitious perversion of the true fundamental, Scripture-based religion. In that perverted religion we will observe unimagined atrocities committed against the “unbeliever” – the infidel – which atrocities they consider not only acceptable by God, but a sacrament to His honor. We are to observe, and the majority to experience, much of the brutality reborn from the Crusades, many of whom then thought it sacramental to eat the cooked flesh of the Muslim men, women and children they slaughtered in the name of the meek and lowly Jesus. It was also considered by many at that time, that the extermination of even fellow Christians was desirable if their faith was not fully congruent with that of the ones in power – the ones who held the sword.

Now this nation has a leader who not only professes a born-again Christian faith, but openly claims that God, Himself, has commissioned him to instigate the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of those he deems as a “threat to democracy.” The twisted logic which permits him to rationalize thousands of infants and small children into a threat to democracy, defies any definition gleaned from even the most comprehensive lexicon.

When a group, who has attained such a level of political and social power as have the NeoCons and the “Moral Majority” (or more generically, conservative Fundamentalist Christians), invokes the name of God and His authority for what they do, it follows that there is no higher power to which appeal can be made. Thus any act perpetrated under that supposed authority is divinely acceptable; no variance from its decrees, tolerable. This was the ideology of the Crusades, and shall be again for those who, in this last age, claim the name of the Son of God, while blaspheming it with their acts of religious bigotry, camouflaged under the covering of scriptural authority and Christian Conservatism.

The manifestation of this brutality, for which they will use God as their authority for its commission, will of course assume the shape and form appropriate to the age in which it will now occur. That is, broad swords and crucifix-emblazoned horses and shields will be replaced by instruments more suitable to the 21st Century. One such instrument is a highly controlled news media, that can, and will excite the mindless cattle, known euphemistically as Americans, into a hyper-patriotic frenzy, commonly called a mob, to execute their plans for them. These, coupled with a barrage of laws, i.e., The Patriot Act, et. al., designed to reduce the U. S. Constitution to little more than a common scrap of paper, will demonstrate the full revelation of what motivated the aforementioned Crusades.

What we see in this growing movement of praetorian Christian extremism is the complete abandonment of the truly fundamental religious principles upon which the Christian faith was founded – that being the conversion of the adherent’s soul into the living expression of the pure life of Christ. This kind of fundamentalism, impossible by human effort, presented as a gift, cannot be found ever making war on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction – even if that pretext were perfectly accurate. This brand of religion, in its unpolluted state, will never be seen in its imagination placing Jesus in the cockpit of a high-tech military killing machine. This true iteration of Christianity will love with a love that lays down its life rather than exact harm on another.

How much do we see of these principles, even idealized rhetorically let alone lived, in this current demonic, pagan Christendom proliferating throughout America? How often do we witness the Second Coming of Christ in the manner set forth in Scripture, which says that He “shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe…” or the ideal of “…a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”? Do we ever hear any of the so-called national conservative Christian leaders present that standard, without at least some collateral observation (read: disclaimer) that says, in effect, that we are only human, and God is not sufficient to the task of regenerating humanity to His standards?

The majority of practicing Muslims, in what these modern pagan Christians consider a false religion, seem to be far more Christ-like, much more loving and devoted, than virtually any Christians found living in the “good ‘ol US of A.” The atrocities we see perpetrated by professed Muslims against their own, in Iraq, are simply the same reprobate expressions of human nature we see exhibited by American forces there, but which receive virtually no media coverage in the US. What we shall see in this nation, and which is revealed in Bible prophecy, is that same exhibition of morally and spiritually vacuous activity as we now witness in Wahhabist Islam, for they are motivated by the same spirit. And we shall witness the same atrocities here at home (although Americanized in their manifestation) that we observe currently in Iraq. Women, children, infants, none will be exempt from sacramental atrocities and summary execution, because the twisted logic of those of the “true faith,” (whatever the name of that faith – I am calling it conservative, Fundamentalist Christianity for this moment) deems that any who will not bow the knee to the tenets of their faith are essentially sub-human primates, with no more right to life than the beef they had for dinner the night before.

There is hardly a more pervasively accurate utterance in Scripture than, “Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.” Behold, America, the war is coming home, the Judgment is seated, and it is too late to prepare for it. Your house is left unto you, desolate.
Good Day

Where have you been? What took you so long?

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GabrielET said:
Apostate Christianity, thinly disguised as what is commonly known as Conservative Fundamentalism, will cause this American nation to witness, first hand in the “land of the free,” the full expression of the Beast power of Revelation eleven and thirteen. We shall observe a religious despotism to which no mere nationalistic fervor can attain; which can only be accomplished by the animalistic, superstitious perversion of the true fundamental, Scripture-based religion. In that perverted religion we will observe unimagined atrocities committed against the “unbeliever” – the infidel – which atrocities they consider not only acceptable by God, but a sacrament to His honor. We are to observe, and the majority to experience, much of the brutality reborn from the Crusades, many of whom then thought it sacramental to eat the cooked flesh of the Muslim men, women and children they slaughtered in the name of the meek and lowly Jesus. It was also considered by many at that time, that the extermination of even fellow Christians was desirable if their faith was not fully congruent with that of the ones in power – the ones who held the sword.

Now this nation has a leader who not only professes a born-again Christian faith, but openly claims that God, Himself, has commissioned him to instigate the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of those he deems as a “threat to democracy.” The twisted logic which permits him to rationalize thousands of infants and small children into a threat to democracy, defies any definition gleaned from even the most comprehensive lexicon.

When a group, who has attained such a level of political and social power as have the NeoCons and the “Moral Majority” (or more generically, conservative Fundamentalist Christians), invokes the name of God and His authority for what they do, it follows that there is no higher power to which appeal can be made. Thus any act perpetrated under that supposed authority is divinely acceptable; no variance from its decrees, tolerable. This was the ideology of the Crusades, and shall be again for those who, in this last age, claim the name of the Son of God, while blaspheming it with their acts of religious bigotry, camouflaged under the covering of scriptural authority and Christian Conservatism.

The manifestation of this brutality, for which they will use God as their authority for its commission, will of course assume the shape and form appropriate to the age in which it will now occur. That is, broad swords and crucifix-emblazoned horses and shields will be replaced by instruments more suitable to the 21st Century. One such instrument is a highly controlled news media, that can, and will excite the mindless cattle, known euphemistically as Americans, into a hyper-patriotic frenzy, commonly called a mob, to execute their plans for them. These, coupled with a barrage of laws, i.e., The Patriot Act, et. al., designed to reduce the U. S. Constitution to little more than a common scrap of paper, will demonstrate the full revelation of what motivated the aforementioned Crusades.

What we see in this growing movement of praetorian Christian extremism is the complete abandonment of the truly fundamental religious principles upon which the Christian faith was founded – that being the conversion of the adherent’s soul into the living expression of the pure life of Christ. This kind of fundamentalism, impossible by human effort, presented as a gift, cannot be found ever making war on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction – even if that pretext were perfectly accurate. This brand of religion, in its unpolluted state, will never be seen in its imagination placing Jesus in the cockpit of a high-tech military killing machine. This true iteration of Christianity will love with a love that lays down its life rather than exact harm on another.

How much do we see of these principles, even idealized rhetorically let alone lived, in this current demonic, pagan Christendom proliferating throughout America? How often do we witness the Second Coming of Christ in the manner set forth in Scripture, which says that He “shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe…” or the ideal of “…a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”? Do we ever hear any of the so-called national conservative Christian leaders present that standard, without at least some collateral observation (read: disclaimer) that says, in effect, that we are only human, and God is not sufficient to the task of regenerating humanity to His standards?

The majority of practicing Muslims, in what these modern pagan Christians consider a false religion, seem to be far more Christ-like, much more loving and devoted, than virtually any Christians found living in the “good ‘ol US of A.” The atrocities we see perpetrated by professed Muslims against their own, in Iraq, are simply the same reprobate expressions of human nature we see exhibited by American forces there, but which receive virtually no media coverage in the US. What we shall see in this nation, and which is revealed in Bible prophecy, is that same exhibition of morally and spiritually vacuous activity as we now witness in Wahhabist Islam, for they are motivated by the same spirit. And we shall witness the same atrocities here at home (although Americanized in their manifestation) that we observe currently in Iraq. Women, children, infants, none will be exempt from sacramental atrocities and summary execution, because the twisted logic of those of the “true faith,” (whatever the name of that faith – I am calling it conservative, Fundamentalist Christianity for this moment) deems that any who will not bow the knee to the tenets of their faith are essentially sub-human primates, with no more right to life than the beef they had for dinner the night before.

There is hardly a more pervasively accurate utterance in Scripture than, “Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.” Behold, America, the war is coming home, the Judgment is seated, and it is too late to prepare for it. Your house is left unto you, desolate.
You have lost it dude, you are way off track. per scripture the AC is any one who denies that christ is the son of God, the muslum faith believes that christ was a prophet but beny that he is the son of G-d, thus islam is Anti-Christ.
That being said A house divided against itself can not stand, we are not the beast. America failed and the falling away began, hundreds of years ago as we have gradualy made comprimises with the world and with our faith. With giving the education of our kids to public schools and taking it out of the church, with developing school books and dumping the scripture to teach reading and writing, math. with freedom of religion when G-d said you shall have no other gods before me. We have failed in many many ways, and so the end is drawing near. Mr Bush is not the AC he is simply a leader that
G-d is using to set the stage for the final act. Relax and prepare for the persecution to come.
 
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inhisdebt said:
You have lost it dude, you are way off track. per scripture the AC is any one who denies that christ is the son of God, the muslum faith believes that christ was a prophet but beny that he is the son of G-d, thus islam is Anti-Christ.
That being said A house divided against itself can not stand, we are not the beast. America failed and the falling away began, hundreds of years ago as we have gradualy made comprimises with the world and with our faith. With giving the education of our kids to public schools and taking it out of the church, with developing school books and dumping the scripture to teach reading and writing, math. with freedom of religion when G-d said you shall have no other gods before me. We have failed in many many ways, and so the end is drawing near. Mr Bush is not the AC he is simply a leader that
G-d is using to set the stage for the final act. Relax and prepare for the persecution to come.
Amen :thumbsup:
Mr Bush is not the anti Christ but as long as he is president he is king of the north.
And with all the beheadings going on these days in Iraq and other places its kind of strange that the scripture says those who dont take the name mark are beheaded.
Revelation 20:4
Its possable the hidden Mahadi of Islam could appear as a smooth talking, libral , scientific elite English Catholic but when in power as the world leader uses the book of Moses and the Koran to enforce peace with the threat of beheading.
In this way Christians, Jews, Islamics,Buddhists and atheists could be deceaved by the son of perdition.
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GabrielET said:
Apostate Christianity, thinly disguised as what is commonly known as Conservative Fundamentalism, will cause this American nation to witness, first hand in the “land of the free,” the full expression of the Beast power of Revelation eleven and thirteen. We shall observe a religious despotism to which no mere nationalistic fervor can attain; which can only be accomplished by the animalistic, superstitious perversion of the true fundamental, Scripture-based religion. In that perverted religion we will observe unimagined atrocities committed against the “unbeliever” – the infidel – which atrocities they consider not only acceptable by God, but a sacrament to His honor.
Are you basing this on your own personal opinion of what will shortly come to pass or do you believe this is revealed foreknowledge from God? Will the "full expression of the Beast power of Revelation 11 and 13" take place during the Bush administration? How exactly will the "war come home" for America?

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GabrielET, while I read your post with interest, I found your characterization of the behavior of the Crusaders less than enlightened. :) They are merely old popularist propaganda remnants of the Reformation's war of words on the Catholic Church.

But I found much of what you had to say interesting.



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Acts6:5,

I’m not speaking from my own personal opinion, but the “proofs” are too lengthy for me to post at this time. Perhaps in the future. I’m asking no one to believe me on my own word. I have simply presented, in brief, a sort of summation of the prophetic fulfillments that have been revealed with a seemingly mathematical precision, and a life of their own, typical of a God whose Fatherly nature presents every opportunity possible.

As to the war coming home, this part is very much my “own personal opinion” as you asked, but one based on observation, not merely conjecture.

I have been looking at the general picture of how this nation is behaving and prosecuting what is clearly an unjust and immoral (not to mention, technically illegal) conflict, predicated on absolutely nothing but lies and hypocrisy – and if you recall, it was hypocrisy which was most condemned by Jesus. This was so, because a hypocrite knows the truth, but simply refuses to live it, due to what it would cost him.

There was a young soldier that fought in the first Gulf War who began to see the truth as it was over there, rather than as presented to him and his fellow soldiers. He witnessed and participated in the killing of people who had never hurt him, his family or his country in any way, and asked why. Why was he at war for apparently no good reason? When he came home, he witnessed, in 1993, what his government did to a Seventh-day Adventist offshoot called the Branch Davidians. The soldier snapped and two years later, on the second anniversary of the destruction of the Waco compound (you’ve undoubtedly guessed by now of whom I write) he was instrumental in an act of retribution against the government. His name, of course, was Timothy McVeigh.

What we don’t see because of the narrowly controlled and very limited media coverage, are the numbers of soldiers in this war who are returning home with ruined spirits and minds because they have been forced to kill, again, those who have never harmed them in any way. Approximately half of those returning from combat are afflicted with severe PTSD, and only God knows how many of those will become another McVeigh. They have seen, first hand, the meatgrinder into which their government willingly fed them, and they don’t like it. A great many of them feel betrayed and are asking why.

I know somewhat of which I speak. I was in the service and volunteered for duty in Viet Nam in 1965 – probably ranking as the stupidest act of my life. But I was a young and very patriotic American who blindly accepted the lying rationale fed me by a government I trusted. What was not shown in the media of that era – or this one – are the great many soldiers who, disregarding the consequences of mutiny or insurrection, finally refused to participate in the war. If you want a good presentation of that, watch the documentary titled, “Sir, No Sir! – The GI Revolt.”

What is not evident are the probably greater numbers GI resisters from this war, because embedded journalists are either not allowed to report such incidents, or they are completely ignorant of them. But what will become evident, I very strongly believe, is that numerous, exceedingly angry and disturbed young men, with highly developed killing skills, will pierce the heart of this nation in a way not previously witnessed. This is why I ended my first post with “Your house is left unto you, desolate.”

What makes up a house other than the ones occupying it? And when that house is inhabited by hostile, vengeful spirits who have been tricked, as the American soldiers in Iraq have been, there is nothing but desolation awaiting it.
 
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Micahyah said:
Bush takes the world to the end of Daniel 11 as a King of the North. What is in store for America is the judgement on Babylon the Great, and what is prophesied in Revelation 18.
:D Another "muslim" in disguise has arrived.
Revelation and Daniel have absolutely NOTHING to do with America [unless of course God is using America against Israel]. Get real.

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands [watch] over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a Nation, [Even] to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.[REMNANT}

John 11:48 if we may let him alone thus, all will believe in him; and the Romans will come, and will take away both our place and Nation.'

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing! and Measure Ye! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within/witout[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
:D Another "muslim" in disguise has arrived.
Revelation and Daniel have absolutely NOTHING to do with America [unless of course God is using America against Israel]. Get real.

You need to get real. The nation that calls itself Israel isn't what Our Father is talking about. The entire earth is His footstool. America is Babylon the Great.

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands [watch] over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a Nation, [Even] to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.[REMNANT}

Yes, we haven't gotten to that point yet.

John 11:48 if we may let him alone thus, all will believe in him; and the Romans will come, and will take away both our place and Nation.'

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing! and Measure Ye! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within/witout[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

Your zionist notions are in error. Yahshua's kingdom is of all nations and tongues.


After these things I looked, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palms in their hands.
(Rev 7:9)


For there is no difference both of Jew and of Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call on Him. For everyone, "whoever shall call on the name of the Lord will be saved."
(Rom 10:12-13)

Go through the Book of Daniel, the three seperate Kings of the North, and you can follow along under Bush-Clinton-Bush. The current Bush's reign began in Daniel 11:21.


And a despised one shall stand up in his place, and they shall not give to him the honor of the king; but he will enter while at ease and seize the kingdom by intrigues.
(Dan 11:21)
 
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Another "muslim" in disguise has arrived.
Revelation and Daniel havbsolutely NOTHING to do with America [unless of course God is using America against Israel]. Get real.
Your zionist notions are in error. Yahshua's kingdom is of all nations and tongues
:scratch: So you put america as Babylon. HAHAHA..
Bush takes the world to the end of Daniel 11 as a King of the North. What is in store for America is the judgement on Babylon the Great, and what is prophesied in Revelation 18.
I think Bush should just let Israel and the Muslims fight their own battles. If the muslims take over, fine.

Matt 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.; 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness

Who is the MY PEOPLE of the OT btw. And only Priests could worship in a Sanctuary. DUH!

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing! and Measure Ye! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it! 2 And the Court [#833], the one withinwitout[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice out of the heaven, saying, `Come forth out of her, My people,
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
:scratch: So you put america as Babylon. HAHAHA..

Babylon = "confusion (by mixing)"

If there is any nation on the earth now that is the living symbol of "confusion by mixing", it is the US.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:.... 1Peter 4:17

I see GabrielET's point. The harvest of any individual or nation comes as a result of the seed that has been sown. This nation has sown oceans of the seeds of deceit, hypocrisy and terror, therefore, it only can reap those things.
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
:scratch: So you put america as Babylon. HAHAHA..I think Bush should just let Israel and the Muslims fight their own battles. If the muslims take over, fine.

Matt 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.; 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness

Who is the MY PEOPLE of the OT btw. And only Priests could worship in a Sanctuary. DUH!

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing! and Measure Ye! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it! 2 And the Court [#833], the one withinwitout[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

This issue here is, is America, the GREAT harlot, who sits on the 7 headed beast corporation that has been in operation since building of Egypt?

Thats how we are seen now by the educated elite of every country.

consider this:
New U.S. Embassy in Iraq cloaked in mystery
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The fortress-like compound rising beside the Tigris River here will be the largest of its kind in the world, the size of Vatican City, with the population of a small town, its own defense force, self-contained power and water, and a precarious perch at the heart of Iraq’s turbulent future.The new U.S. Embassy also seems as cloaked in secrecy as the ministate in Rome.

At this time the United States is the LAW, in BABYLON IRAQ, enforced by death, confiscation of goods and imprisonment.
The foreign policy of the United States is shaped not by Congress and the American people, but by, the PRIVITE Rothschild Zionist bankers to whom The United states and its citizens owe trillions of dollars.
It is this group who controls the bankable president of every country no matter what his party. That president is beholden for credit to THE BANK OF BABYLON, IRAN, IRAQ, SAUDI ARABIA, and Israel is the one who makes war and decides who lives and who dies in his jurisdiction.

THE 7 headed BEAST is the Canaanite Banking Syndacate headed by APOSTATE Jews, Arabs and CHRISTIONS who kill their own people for MONEY AND POWER.

It’s the apostate Christianity of Americans who know the words of Jesus and won’t follow them that makes us collectivly harlots and hypocrites

IF America is the Great harlot how do we come out of her that we be not partakers of her sins.

Easy, REPENT and enter into the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN as JESUS has instructed.

It will cost you everything, even your life, but you shall be a new creature in Christ Jesus and LIVE FOREVER, In a new body imortal and uncorreptable.

Its only not easy if you dont have FAITH and trust
THE WORD OF GOD. IN that case REPENT because without faith you cannot please OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN.

Drop you nets, get out of politics, sell what you have, give to the poor and do what the first disciples did in the Book of Acts as they lived and spoke what they saw and heard Jesus DO.
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Funny, i didnt know christians wasted so much time in the study of conspiricy theories, Wouldnt we all be much better off focused on the great comission then essops fables and silly tales of international deciet. Honestly folks the US government cant even get the defense of marriage act passed, a popularly supported no brainer issue. The military is the only effective branch of government we have. The rest are simply not competant enough to effectivly act with malice on even the most basic of tasks. You are chasing rabbits.
 
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inhisdebt said:
Funny, i didnt know christians wasted so much time in the study of conspiricy theories,.....The military is the only effective branch of government we have.

Funny, I did not know that professing christians wasted so much time in studying devil theories, like the one that says that terrorizing people will rid the world of terrorists.


Oh, that is, after they reject Jesus' words, "... Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;...."
 
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Apostate Christianity, thinly disguised as what is commonly known as Conservative Fundamentalism, will cause this American nation to witness, first hand in the “land of the free,” the full expression of the Beast power of Revelation eleven and thirteen. We shall observe a religious despotism to which no mere nationalistic fervor can attain; which can only be accomplished by the animalistic, superstitious perversion of the true fundamental, Scripture-based religion. In that perverted religion we will observe unimagined atrocities committed against the “unbeliever” – the infidel – which atrocities they consider not only acceptable by God, but a sacrament to His honor. We are to observe, and the majority to experience, much of the brutality reborn from the Crusades, many of whom then thought it sacramental to eat the cooked flesh of the Muslim men, women and children they slaughtered in the name of the meek and lowly Jesus. It was also considered by many at that time, that the extermination of even fellow Christians was desirable if their faith was not fully congruent with that of the ones in power – the ones who held the sword.

Now this nation has a leader who not only professes a born-again Christian faith, but openly claims that God, Himself, has commissioned him to instigate the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of those he deems as a “threat to democracy.” The twisted logic which permits him to rationalize thousands of infants and small children into a threat to democracy, defies any definition gleaned from even the most comprehensive lexicon.

When a group, who has attained such a level of political and social power as have the NeoCons and the “Moral Majority” (or more generically, conservative Fundamentalist Christians), invokes the name of God and His authority for what they do, it follows that there is no higher power to which appeal can be made. Thus any act perpetrated under that supposed authority is divinely acceptable; no variance from its decrees, tolerable. This was the ideology of the Crusades, and shall be again for those who, in this last age, claim the name of the Son of God, while blaspheming it with their acts of religious bigotry, camouflaged under the covering of scriptural authority and Christian Conservatism.

The manifestation of this brutality, for which they will use God as their authority for its commission, will of course assume the shape and form appropriate to the age in which it will now occur. That is, broad swords and crucifix-emblazoned horses and shields will be replaced by instruments more suitable to the 21st Century. One such instrument is a highly controlled news media, that can, and will excite the mindless cattle, known euphemistically as Americans, into a hyper-patriotic frenzy, commonly called a mob, to execute their plans for them. These, coupled with a barrage of laws, i.e., The Patriot Act, et. al., designed to reduce the U. S. Constitution to little more than a common scrap of paper, will demonstrate the full revelation of what motivated the aforementioned Crusades.

What we see in this growing movement of praetorian Christian extremism is the complete abandonment of the truly fundamental religious principles upon which the Christian faith was founded – that being the conversion of the adherent’s soul into the living expression of the pure life of Christ. This kind of fundamentalism, impossible by human effort, presented as a gift, cannot be found ever making war on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction – even if that pretext were perfectly accurate. This brand of religion, in its unpolluted state, will never be seen in its imagination placing Jesus in the cockpit of a high-tech military killing machine. This true iteration of Christianity will love with a love that lays down its life rather than exact harm on another.

How much do we see of these principles, even idealized rhetorically let alone lived, in this current demonic, pagan Christendom proliferating throughout America? How often do we witness the Second Coming of Christ in the manner set forth in Scripture, which says that He “shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe…” or the ideal of “…a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”? Do we ever hear any of the so-called national conservative Christian leaders present that standard, without at least some collateral observation (read: disclaimer) that says, in effect, that we are only human, and God is not sufficient to the task of regenerating humanity to His standards?

The majority of practicing Muslims, in what these modern pagan Christians consider a false religion, seem to be far more Christ-like, much more loving and devoted, than virtually any Christians found living in the “good ‘ol US of A.” The atrocities we see perpetrated by professed Muslims against their own, in Iraq, are simply the same reprobate expressions of human nature we see exhibited by American forces there, but which receive virtually no media coverage in the US. What we shall see in this nation, and which is revealed in Bible prophecy, is that same exhibition of morally and spiritually vacuous activity as we now witness in Wahhabist Islam, for they are motivated by the same spirit. And we shall witness the same atrocities here at home (although Americanized in their manifestation) that we observe currently in Iraq. Women, children, infants, none will be exempt from sacramental atrocities and summary execution, because the twisted logic of those of the “true faith,” (whatever the name of that faith – I am calling it conservative, Fundamentalist Christianity for this moment) deems that any who will not bow the knee to the tenets of their faith are essentially sub-human primates, with no more right to life than the beef they had for dinner the night before.

There is hardly a more pervasively accurate utterance in Scripture than, “Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.” Behold, America, the war is coming home, the Judgment is seated, and it is too late to prepare for it. Your house is left unto you, desolate.

I would have to disagree. Peter let us in on some info that many overlook when reading Scripture, especially Jesus's warning about his coming. He said that there would be scoffers and mockers questioning the Lord's return. Well, doesn't that just sound like America today? I don't think that you need to worry about corrupt religion, I think you should be concerned about the aggravation that corrupt religion causes on the nations. Why do you think the Church of Rome will be destroyed by ten kings? Why do you think the two witnesses are killed by the imperialistic nations of the world? Its because of what the religious people claim and the bad impression that false prophets put on the godless and idolaters. Its because of the six trumpets that they get upset and assault the religious. The beast from the bottomless pit is the imperial world empire, centered in Europe. (Treat of Rome: United Nations, am I right? Or is it the treaty of Paris?) Anyway. The Gentile World Kingdom gets upset with the religious and hate them.
 
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Barraco, I have no worries, whatever, about corrupt religion. Even though it is corrupt religion that has been at the root of nearly every catastrophic, human-made event in world history. We are now engaged in a war brought about by a man who claims that God told him to do it. If THAT isn’t a reason for the common man to fear corrupt religion…?

In your post you mentioned some of the more commonly accepted interpretations of prophecy in mainstream, evangelical Christianity concerning things to come. Does it not bother you even a little, that in the history of the post-Apostolic Christian world, it has never been the case that the majority were correct and righteous in what they did, let alone in their interpretations of prophecy? Is this the first era in human history where the majority – the mainstream – of Christian thought is actually right?

If you look around you, Barraco, you cannot but realize, if you have any spiritual discernment at all, that the modern “Christian” church is in a moral puke hole, and, again, it has never happened in historical record that the prevailing church has ever reformed itself. God has always called His people out of apostate religion, not to reform it. Luther tried to reform the Catholic Church from within. The Apostles tried to convert Judaism, and so on, but they all had to ultimately be called out.

The last great “calling out” will be from this planet, because it has become an intollerable stench in the nostrils of a holy God.
 
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inhisdebt said:
The military is the only effective branch of government we have. The rest are simply not competant enough to effectivly act with malice on even the most basic of tasks. You are chasing rabbits.

Jesus Christ is the subject. Jesus speaks of only ONE GOVERNMENT and that is the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN where OUR FATHER LIVES.

You cannot serve two masters.

REVELATION 19 10
I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testamony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
REPENT for the KINGDOM OF GOD is at hand.

Luke 3:4
As it is writen in the book of Esias (Isaiah) the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of the Lord., make his paths straight.

verse 9
And now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewen down, and cast into the fire.

Verse 14
and the solders likewise demanded saying what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do no violance neather accuse any man falsely; and be content with your wages.

Ephesians 5:31
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour,and evil speaking, be put away from you with all malice:
Colossians 3:8
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malace, blasphemy, filthy communacation out of your mouth.
James 4
From whence cometh wars and fightings among you? come they not hence even your lusts that war in your members.
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Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not
3. ye ask and recieve not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
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Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that friendship with the world is enemy of God.
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Submit yourselves unto god, resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
And If you dont have the faith of Jesus Christ what will you when the pandemic arrives?
Avian Flu
As of June 1, more than 218 human cases of avian influenza have been confirmed worldwide, including in Azerbaijan, Cambodia, China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Thailand, Turkey and Vietnam, according to the World Health Organization; 127 have died from the disease.
An AI outbreak in the U.S. will have little impact on most individuals. In contrast, however, a human epidemic in the U.S. or even overseas would impact a greater number and create fear and disruptions on a global basis.
A pandemic could be biblical in global devastation. It would impact the U.S. military, police and other security aspects of daily life. Few if anyone would not be touched by death and sickness.
banking, health care and those that rely on transportation
face the greatest business risk.
from loss of employees
1. Banking because the virus passes on the surface of paper money, coins and checks.
2. Health care because that’s where people go when they have a flue.
3. Transportation because of having the most frequent contact with human carriers in close quarters.
Only those who have no faith in Jesus need to worry.
I am talking about the kind of faith we find in the
book of Acts.
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