Oral sex in the marragie
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Ladies, take this up with a trusted FEMALE mentor, get a few different perspectives from other ladies. Guys, same for you - find a guy you trust in your church.
I could've sworn I saw at least one post where a guy said a lady should connect with him offline (maybe it was a different thread?). Perhaps a moderator caught it. Getting involved in this type of discussion offline with a guy/girl who is not your husband/wife can really, really lead to trouble even if it's innocent. Guard your hearts and minds, folks. It's okay to discuss this stuff - but don't cross the line. Sometimes one-on-one discussions with the opposite sex lead to more serious problems, catch my meaning? Would you want your husband or wife reading your online conversations with a member of the opposite sex about this stuff? Would they approve? I know I wouldn't, period. I guess I'm speaking to a few individuals - I'd like to think we all have a high level of common sense
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As for the original topic... I'm not going to comment much except to say I think it's okay for married couples to do this within the bonds of marriage if they feel comfortable with it. I've not come across any scripture that says otherwise. Sex was not meant to be boring. Getting totally into your spouse in the bedroom is a good thing, and it doesn't always have to follow the same routine to the same conclusion. Seek God's counsel on your own, combined with counsel from a strong Christian mentor that isn't a total prude, and God will tell you what's wrong and right.
I've got to shut up now. I just joined CF, and it's been kind of addictive.
I could've sworn I saw at least one post where a guy said a lady should connect with him offline (maybe it was a different thread?). Perhaps a moderator caught it. Getting involved in this type of discussion offline with a guy/girl who is not your husband/wife can really, really lead to trouble even if it's innocent. Guard your hearts and minds, folks. It's okay to discuss this stuff - but don't cross the line. Sometimes one-on-one discussions with the opposite sex lead to more serious problems, catch my meaning? Would you want your husband or wife reading your online conversations with a member of the opposite sex about this stuff? Would they approve? I know I wouldn't, period. I guess I'm speaking to a few individuals - I'd like to think we all have a high level of common sense
.As for the original topic... I'm not going to comment much except to say I think it's okay for married couples to do this within the bonds of marriage if they feel comfortable with it. I've not come across any scripture that says otherwise. Sex was not meant to be boring. Getting totally into your spouse in the bedroom is a good thing, and it doesn't always have to follow the same routine to the same conclusion. Seek God's counsel on your own, combined with counsel from a strong Christian mentor that isn't a total prude, and God will tell you what's wrong and right.
I've got to shut up now. I just joined CF, and it's been kind of addictive.
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This pertains to women dressing as men. Back in bible times men and women wore basically the same clothes except for undergarments. There were no pants, trousers, etc...pmarquette said:
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alaskamolly
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I used to think that too, but when I studied it in a bit more detail, there actually were specific differences in Hebrew male/female apparel.
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The above is TOTALLY out of Biblical context.Human said:
Go back to the 'original text' and look at what it actually says...take into consideration what the church was like at the time, the culture and please actually go and have a look at the Greek....you will be suprised!
You also need to be careful that what you are saying is actually interperated correctly.
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Here's one way to look at the issue:
Sodomites clearly will not inherit the Kingdom of God. (See 1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:10.) So, what is a sodomite, or what is sodomy? I have come across a couple of dictionary definitions which may include oral sex. The New Lexicon Webster's Encycolopedic Dictionary and Dictionary of English Synonyms, Checkerbooks, define sodomy as unnatural carnal intercourse between a man and a woman.
The Reader's Digest Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary defeines sodomy as "1: anal copulation of one male with another. 2: anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex. 3: Copulation with an animal."
However, these are modern definitions. Does anyone have any information about whether the original biblical language translated into "sodomite" included one who performes or receives oral sex, or whether the original biblical word for "sodomy" encompasses oral sex? If so, I think you could safely say oral sex is a sin.
(FYI - My personal opinion is that oral sex with your spouse is okay. My wife disagrees, unfortunately, because as a youth she was told it was a sin.)
Sodomites clearly will not inherit the Kingdom of God. (See 1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:10.) So, what is a sodomite, or what is sodomy? I have come across a couple of dictionary definitions which may include oral sex. The New Lexicon Webster's Encycolopedic Dictionary and Dictionary of English Synonyms, Checkerbooks, define sodomy as unnatural carnal intercourse between a man and a woman.
The Reader's Digest Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary defeines sodomy as "1: anal copulation of one male with another. 2: anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex. 3: Copulation with an animal."
However, these are modern definitions. Does anyone have any information about whether the original biblical language translated into "sodomite" included one who performes or receives oral sex, or whether the original biblical word for "sodomy" encompasses oral sex? If so, I think you could safely say oral sex is a sin.
(FYI - My personal opinion is that oral sex with your spouse is okay. My wife disagrees, unfortunately, because as a youth she was told it was a sin.)
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fluffy_rainbow
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Westwood, the Sodomites were people who engaged in unnatural sexual practices such as homosexual activities, incest, and inappropriate behavior with animals (sexual intercourse with animals *yuck*) Don't forget, there were provisions made in the Bible that made it permissible for a man to divorce his wife if she were barren. Now, with that said, there are obviously some boundaries, even within marriage. I was appalled when a similar thread was posted on another Christian site I frequent. A wife was embarassed and upset because her husband was constantly trying to coerce her into engaging in sex acts she didn't not find pleasing. A member posted in response calling her selfish and disobedient to her husband. He claimed if you are obedient to Christ and your husband, you will do whatever he wants in bed without question because that is a woman's Biblical obligation. How absurd! Why should anyone engage in a sexual act out of obligation? If someone is extremely uncomfortable about any sexual act they should discuss it openly as a couple. If one partner still feels an act is appalling or degrading, it should be left at that and then the couple should find another alternative.
Anal sex, I won't go so far as to say it's a sin, but it definitely isn't a safe and healthy practice. As far as oral sex, sadly many people have been raised to believe it is degrading and sinful when it can be very enjoyable for both parties. A Christian book on sexuality I read when I was married said that oral sex and manual stimulation are the "easy way out for lazy couples". He claimed that any man or woman can and should climax through intercourse alone. What a load of baloney! Not all women are designed to achieve maximum pleasure that way. It has nothing to do with laziness, rather bodily make up.
Anal sex, I won't go so far as to say it's a sin, but it definitely isn't a safe and healthy practice. As far as oral sex, sadly many people have been raised to believe it is degrading and sinful when it can be very enjoyable for both parties. A Christian book on sexuality I read when I was married said that oral sex and manual stimulation are the "easy way out for lazy couples". He claimed that any man or woman can and should climax through intercourse alone. What a load of baloney! Not all women are designed to achieve maximum pleasure that way. It has nothing to do with laziness, rather bodily make up.
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Southern Cross - BEST POST I've READ in SO LONG - AMENSouthern Cross said:Ladies, take this up with a trusted FEMALE mentor, get a few different perspectives from other ladies. Guys, same for you - find a guy you trust in your church.
I could've sworn I saw at least one post where a guy said a lady should connect with him offline (maybe it was a different thread?). Perhaps a moderator caught it. Getting involved in this type of discussion offline with a guy/girl who is not your husband/wife can really, really lead to trouble even if it's innocent. Guard your hearts and minds, folks. It's okay to discuss this stuff - but don't cross the line. Sometimes one-on-one discussions with the opposite sex lead to more serious problems, catch my meaning? Would you want your husband or wife reading your online conversations with a member of the opposite sex about this stuff? Would they approve? I know I wouldn't, period. I guess I'm speaking to a few individuals - I'd like to think we all have a high level of common sense
As for the original topic... I'm not going to comment much except to say I think it's okay for married couples to do this within the bonds of marriage if they feel comfortable with it. I've not come across any scripture that says otherwise. Sex was not meant to be boring. Getting totally into your spouse in the bedroom is a good thing, and it doesn't always have to follow the same routine to the same conclusion. Seek God's counsel on your own, combined with counsel from a strong Christian mentor that isn't a total prude, and God will tell you what's wrong and right.
I've got to shut up now. I just joined CF, and it's been kind of addictive.
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More about the Sodomites--
Ezekiel 16:49 Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
16:50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
Perhaps the sexual ones were the least of their sins.
Ezekiel 16:49 Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
16:50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
Perhaps the sexual ones were the least of their sins.
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Peculiarone
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We must take in to consideration the different era for lack of a better word in which the Bible was written. We can follow and obey the LAW(era) and use as an example. Yes it is still the word of God.
However, we are in the grace era and according to the new testament, marriage is honorable and the bed is undefiled.
I don't see nothing wrong with oral sex in the institution of marriage. Neither do I see it ANYWHERE in the Bible as detesteable or abominable in the sight of God.
I believe that sometimes we tend to take the Bible and twist it up to match our situations without rightly dividing the word of truth. Even addressing in our own words what is sin from what is not sin.
May we seek to honor HIM through HIS word.
This is my JA$2.50 on the matter.
However, we are in the grace era and according to the new testament, marriage is honorable and the bed is undefiled.
I don't see nothing wrong with oral sex in the institution of marriage. Neither do I see it ANYWHERE in the Bible as detesteable or abominable in the sight of God.
I believe that sometimes we tend to take the Bible and twist it up to match our situations without rightly dividing the word of truth. Even addressing in our own words what is sin from what is not sin.
May we seek to honor HIM through HIS word.
This is my JA$2.50 on the matter.
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Oral Sex a sin??? Ahhhh when you are married you can have fun sex kinky sex any sex as long as you both are for it. I can't even magine life without it? I mean how boring and how sad for Joyce's husband. Maybe she just doesn't know what she is missing. Sometimes other christian shock me. I mean you are sharing bodily fluids right? who cares where the come from and where they end up! Sorry but seriously that is a bit much. Make love making fun and special. You won't be sorry.
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If it is a sin, which I can't find listed in the Bible, a lot of us are in BIG trouble, lol.
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I agree that women are not to teach but, God has called many to testify. A lot of what Joyce does is testifying using her own life experience. I didn't know how to write this without it sounding rude toward Human. Please, that isn't my intention. Keep reading, please.Human said:
I agree with you, wholeheartedly.
God wants us to have joy and that IS in the Bible.
I think it's because they truely believe that what THEY think is ALWAYS correct. It's a shame because women flock to Joyce and many of them will believe what they hear without searching it out, first.
Great thoughts. Thanks.
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LegacyOfLove
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I remember my former pastor teaching a Sunday School class to married couples (which I went to). In it he discussed the issues of acceptable sexual practices in a marriage and he stated "God has made sex as a gift..for both the husband and the wife." He went on to say that "God has not issued any specific declaration about what you can or cannot do with your spouse in bed, so long as it is not a sin...like adultery, inappropriate contentography, etc."
It is my understanding that what takes place between a husband and wife, so long as it is by mutual consent, is not sinful and does not do any harm to the other person...that it is acceptable in God's eyes. It is also my understanding that God did and does intend for sex to be pleasurable to both partners.
I don't personally see any clear indication in the Bible that makes oral sex a sin. But, I do think it is a matter of personal choice within each married couple. If you are not for this kind of activity, then that is perfectly fine. And if you do enjoy this activity, that is also fine. Where is there a sin in the expressions of love and sexual desire with your spouse (so long as no harm is done and no "sin" enters into the marriage)?
It is my understanding that what takes place between a husband and wife, so long as it is by mutual consent, is not sinful and does not do any harm to the other person...that it is acceptable in God's eyes. It is also my understanding that God did and does intend for sex to be pleasurable to both partners.
I don't personally see any clear indication in the Bible that makes oral sex a sin. But, I do think it is a matter of personal choice within each married couple. If you are not for this kind of activity, then that is perfectly fine. And if you do enjoy this activity, that is also fine. Where is there a sin in the expressions of love and sexual desire with your spouse (so long as no harm is done and no "sin" enters into the marriage)?
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