Evolution vs. Creationism

Welcome to the forums new guy.

All I know is that evolution talks of the world starting with a bang etc.. then what? and whats this thing about us evolving, I thought we had stopped evolving?

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No, no, no, no. The theory of evolution explains the diversity of life here on Earth. What you are talking about is a completly diffrent theory explaining the origin of the universe. That are two seperate issues.

See, the theory of evolution simply accepts that there was life, okay? It doesn't matter for the moment how that life first began, but with all our currently availible evidence we now know that abiogenesis is a possibility.

I know that this is difficult to understand, but evolution only explains a tiny bit of our whole history. Creationists always try to muck it up, but if you'd peer past it, you'll see that only creationists are confusing it. Evolution is merely change.Just like languages change, cultures, galaxies, etc, etc.

The theory of biologic evolution explains the change that has happen to populations of organisms that preceeded us, to whom we all have connections with. Our body you see is made up out of tiny parts, called genes. That way you can see for instance that you've inherited genetic materical from your father (or milkman ) and mother.

Simply put: Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations.


Does this make sense to you? If you have more questions please ask them.

mikeynov said:

Why even pretend to know what you're talking about?

Everything you're saying is basically wrong, so it's hard to know where to begin.

1) Dating methods are accurate if used properly

2) Ignoring transitionals doesn't make them not exist

3) Saying that all human ancestor fossil finds have been falsified is blatantly false

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1 Dating methods are not accurate, if used properly they come to the conclusion you want them to. 2 its hard to ignore transitionals if they are not there. Adaptations not transitionals. 3 if not falsified than they are undetermined or unsubstantual. We can find mass, volume, coulor, minerals,size, arrangement, measure chimical composition and radioactive elements. But no instruments that directly measures age. This can not be denied. they go by a predetermined age to analys there data. if it doesnt match they dont use it. Just show look at the complete process and you will see that. dont just take the end result of it.

dudeoffaith1 said:

Evolution is wrong either way

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Case closed, court adjurned, smike em if you got em.

and now for some webpages for creationism since I did list just Evolution webpages on my earlier post

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

http://www.icr.org/

dudeoffaith1 said:

Evolution is wrong either way

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Done yet?

dudeoffaith1 said:

Evolution is wrong either way

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You and everyone else are just having a hard time showing it's false, right?

How can evolution and creation both be correct like some people stated in the poll, or were they just joking?

Event Horizon said:

How can evolution and creation both be correct like some people stated in the poll, or were they just joking?

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With pure creation as the event that first started the life process, and evolution as the method by which this life process diversified into the many types of plants and animals and virii and all that we see today. It's muh like the idea that God instigated the big bang and then allowed the laws that govern spacetime, eneergy and matter to follow their course. Where the science ends place God.

william jay schroeder said:

I read this and see it speaks of adaptation and or like kinds. You can find most of these sutle changes among animals and humans today. and animals of same kind with many varietes of species.

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Latest creationist tactic. Call most instances of evolution "adaptation" ignoring that there would be no adaptation without evolution.


http://christianforums.com/t736563

Evolution places death before man.

The Scriptures teach that man brought death into the world.

Has to be one or the other.

It seems to me that a lot of you evolutionists are misrepresenting the facts.


There are 6 definitions infered by the word "EVOLUTION"

1. Micro Evolution - Variations within kinds

This is a fact, however it is not evolution. This is based on Imperical Science - it is observable and reproducable.

Occurs from a LOSS of genetic information following after one of the Laws of Thermodynamics (I believe it is the third) - all matter is going toward disorder.

Example - Original DOG - no we have wolf, coyote, poodle, st. bernard etc.

2. Macro Evolution - changes from one kind to another

Here is where the Science ends.

Requires a gain in genetic information which is oppisite to what is observed.

No evidence anywhere in the world, only theories, rhetoric, hoaxes and lies.

Example: Reptile becomes bird

3. Organic Evolution - origin of life from inorganic matter

AKA Spontaneous Generation - disproven about 200 years ago.

Example: Rocks bring forth single celled organisms

4. Stellar / Planetary Evolution - origin of stars and planets

Noone has ever witnessed the birth of a star or a planet!

We have seen many stars blow up though, one every 20 or 30 years

Good thing there are lots of stars.

Imagine how many there where billions of years ago!

5. Chemical Evolution - origin of higher elements

Nuclear fusion occurs starting with hydrogen and fuses all they way through to create all the elements in the universe.

Sorry, cannot fuse past Iron (26th element on th ePeriodic Table)

6. Cosmic Evolution - origin of time, space and matter

AKA Trinity of Trinities: Time - past, present and future; Space - height, width, length; Matter - solid, liquid and gas

All three had to come into existence at the same moment, this is not disputed but how is the question.

Big Bang - Nothing (really means nothing) becomes everything, well lots and lots of hydrogen at the very least. All gets together in a very small amount of space smaller than the dot on this i and is spinning really fast then BIG BANG it blows up.

Law of Angular Momentum - when a spinning object breaks / blows apart all the pieces continue to spin in the same directions.

We have planets in our solar system as well as moons that are spinning backwards from the rest. Big Dud!!

Fossils - do not provide dates and are not able to be dated by any means known to man

Geological Columns - Exist only in the books, they are not found in the world. As well there are trees, fossilized, standing upright through many thousands and millions of years of so called Geological Columns, which are nothing more than sediment from a flood.

Check out www_drdino_com/Ministry/250k/index.jsp (note the two underscores are actually dots)

He is offering money if you have evidence of any of the last five types of evolution (Cosmic, Chemical, Stellar/Planetary, Organic or Macro)and has been since 1990. $250,000.00 dollars to be exact.

Phimart

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Dr Dino ist Krieg \m/

I don't know what that means anyhow, $250,000 dollars is there and waiting for anyone with anything more that rhetoric and lies to back up his claims that evolution is more than a theory and a religion.

Hey, James Randi is offering a COOL MILLION for any proof of the supernatural. Maybe Dr Dino can claim it?

phimart said:

I don't know what that means anyhow, $250,000 dollars is there and waiting for anyone with anything more that rhetoric and lies to back up his claims that evolution is more than a theory and a religion.

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have you ever carefuly analysed Hovind's offer?

I don't know what that means anyhow, $250,000 dollars is there and waiting for anyone with anything more that rhetoric and lies to back up his claims that evolution is more than a theory and a religion.

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Infidelguy: So basically you are asking for evidence of evolution that even evolutionists don't attest is true?
Kent Hovind: ..umm..yes

Infidelguy questioning Kent on his claim that he has never seen a dog give birth to a pinecone etc..

Kent is a joke that is no longer funny.

I couldn't vote- not enough options.

Evolution MAY be correct and creationism MAY be correct. Maybe the big bang and maybe the seven days- it doesnt realy matter.

HOWEVER it happened, GOD DID IT.

Maybe God used this or that natural method or this or that supernatural method to create the universe and Man.

However creation happened- GOD DID IT!

6 infered meanings of evolution

macro/micro barrier is a creationist invented separation, not part of evolutionary theory (as is the term "kinds")

Organic Evolution is usually AKA abiogenesis, is only infered as part of evolution by creationists and those poorly educated about biology.

Your other uses of the term evolution are irrelevant to biology.

*can somebody bump the chimps/consciousness thread if napajohn comes back while I am away. I'd hate for him to forget about it*

phimart said:

I don't know what that means anyhow, $250,000 dollars is there and waiting for anyone with anything more that rhetoric and lies to back up his claims that evolution is more than a theory and a religion.

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Let's be honest with each other here: Have you looked at the offer of Hovind? Does it really *all* apply to the theory of evolution, and the theory of evolution alone?

Of course not. Or else he would really need to cough up the money. Nah there are enough safe catches to make sure his money will never leave him, it's no proof that the theory of evolution is false.