Concerning liberal Christianity

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jjdoe

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(My last topic got deleted in that I spoke of subject that newbie's apparently cannot speak of - So I'm going to try this again, but only eliminate the controversial side :) )

For the last couple months, I have considered becoming a liberal Christian; but I first had to understand what exactly is a liberal Christian? I quickly came to the realization, that the question should not be what is a liberal Chritian, but rather, what is it to be a Christian. The most common answer is to be more Christ like. Then, what is it to be more Christ like? Should I go around acting like I'm the direct son of God? I know that sounds recidiculous but there have been people known to do this. I believe a liberal Christian is simply a different interpretation on Christianity then a conservative. However, over the last couple years I have slowly drifted away from conservative Christianity, and now I feel I'm in what I feel is a more authetic version of Christianity to me. I do have problems using the term liberal because of connotations that are associated with it.

1. liberal - The word liberal, like liberty, derives from the Latin liber ("free"). In religion and politics, to be liberal is to be tolerant or open-minded, to favour freedom over control.

2. conservative - this is far more difficult to define in that there are several types. Such as classic conservatism which emphasizes slow change over time. I however, see many problems which such a philosophy. Concepts such as slavery, oppression of women, have slowly been abolished over the course of history. So what is in the wrong here? Interpretation of scripture? The philosophies of men. what? It is quite the paradox.


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I'm sorry, I still don't understand what a liberal christian is? I'm getting the impression that it's someone who is doing their own thing? and probably doesn't belong to a church? Um... sorry... I don't really know... ha ha ha... I've just never heard the term before. :)
 
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marlow said:
For me the difference was summed up in a sentence of Richard Holloway where he talks about Christinity changing from follwing the way OF Christ to insisiting on belief in a set of theories ABOUT Christ.
You still need to define what it means to follow the way of Christ. This is where conservative christianity and liberal Christianity strongly differ. In my opinion, Richard Holloway could not be more wrong.
 
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I'm glad you found it helpful. Just be sure to save to disk some of the sites from it that are useful to you. I almost cried when I saw that Liberalis disappeared.

Fortunately it came back online. It's one of my faves. :)
 
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GreenPartyVoter said:
I'm glad you found it helpful. Just be sure to save to disk some of the sites from it that are useful to you. I almost cried when I saw that Liberalis disappeared.

Fortunately it came back online. It's one of my faves. :)
hehe, I have a good link to post. Only seven more posts til I'm allowed to post it.:yum:
 
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johndoey said:
(My last topic got deleted in that I spoke of subject that newbie's apparently cannot speak of - So I'm going to try this again, but only eliminate the controversial side :) )

The questions and maybe even some answers!

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For the last couple months, I have considered becoming a liberal Christian; but I first had to understand what exactly is a liberal Christian?

The classical definition is one who follows the Jesus of history rather than the Christ of faith. That definition, however, has collapsed. In some of the older literature you will find the term Liberal Christianity (usually capitalized) used in this way.

The term "liberal" has been attached to a collection of beliefs and opinions regarding the organization of secular society, and those who subscribe to those beliefs are called "liberal" Christians, even if their beliefs regarding Jesus and Christ are in no way compatible with classical Liberal Christianity.

This political labeling of Christians seems to only work in the American Protestant paradigm. It breaks down pretty quickly when exposed to, for example, Roman Catholicism. The Roman Catholic Church is adamantly opposed to both capital punishment and abortion. In the American political calculus, is this liberal or conservative? :)

It appears to me that any complex understanding or speculation regarding theology is labeled "liberal". I have heard some call Karl Barth's soteriolgy liberal!

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I quickly came to the realization, that the question should not be what is a liberal Chritian, but rather, what is it to be a Christian. The most common answer is to be more Christ like. Then, what is it to be more Christ like? Should I go around acting like I'm the direct son of God?

The Gospels give a good picture of how the direct son of God acts! :) Of course, humility unto death is a pretty hard way to live. For those folks, we have the revenge fantasy of Revelations--the avenging Jesus who will come to bust the heads of everyone with whom they disagree.
 
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CaDan - that's interesting.

Over here, there's no historical association between conservative theology and conservative politics - the Labour party (socialist) was partially founded by evangelical Christians.

Consequently, when we say "Liberal Christianity", we are most certainly talking about re-evaluating the doctrines of Christianity, and not commenting on anyone's political views. Besides, our Liberal party has been politically centrist for years; Tories with a conscience, if you will. The left wingers were the Labour party, not the Liberals.

Different milieux, different meanings to words. The question we have to ask is "which do we mean here on CF?"
 
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I don't care two hoots whether you think Richard Holloway is wrong, as I happen to know he's right. I was just trying to help you, but since you clearly think you know everything I wonder why you bother to ask questions here. Write your own Bible and make a fortune, especially in the USA!.
 
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johndoey said:
You still need to define what it means to follow the way of Christ. This is where conservative christianity and liberal Christianity strongly differ. In my opinion, Richard Holloway could not be more wrong.

What's your beef with Bishop Holloway?
 
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marlow said:
For me the difference was summed up in a sentence of Richard Holloway where he talks about Christinity changing from follwing the way OF Christ to insisiting on belief in a set of theories ABOUT Christ.
How do you determine the way of Christ? (and I am wrong often)
 
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More info on liberal and progressive Christianity: http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm
I have some trouble w/the tenets of liberal Christianity. Even though I'm not a literalist regarding creation (I'm an old earther), and polygamy, racism, other various old testament passages. I certainly take this verse quite literally
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. (John 14:6). So I agree w/an earlier post that there is no clear cut definition of liberal or conservative. I'm liberal on some issues and conservative on others. Of course there is one issue where I actually agree and disagree w/points from both the liberal and conservative point of view (this is homosexuality); although I won't go into detail because I got into trouble last time.

I believe there is only one way to the father. I would suppose this would keep me from being a liberal christian. When focusing on what "type" of Christian I am; I could probably most likely align myself w/trying to be like the persecuted church before Constantine. I have a few links I'd like to post, I'll edit my post and add them in a few. I've got class for now
take care,

Jay
 
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Rising Tree said:
How do these crude definitions of the terms work, insofar as they are related to theology?

Liberal: Open to change and revision; seeking improvement.

Conservative: Steadfast and constant in beliefs; seeking stability.
That's about it, and I don't find the definitions to be so crude. There is a very clear contrast between liberals and conservatives.
 
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johndoey said:
IJesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. (John 14:6). ..I believe there is only one way to the father. I would suppose this would keep me from being a liberal christian.
Lets go a little deeper into the passage. If we believe that Jesus was both the Christ, and God -then what did he say? He said "No one comes to God except through God" That changes things doesn't it? Now we do not need the magic words "I believe in Jesus", but the much harder obligation to know God. This squares well with St. Paul's teaching in Athens, that all men are made to seek God. This also squares with the Jewish doctrine of the rightious pagen.

With this one understanding we gain two important insights; first we are not left with trying to discern how a just and loving God might send Gandhi to hell, he won't. More important the whole concept of knowing God and living his will becomes discernable. The sola filde doctrines of Paul and the works requirement of James (together with Christ's teaching on the sheep and goats) all blend into a harmonious whole; Man shall come to the Father through knowing and loveing God, and through living that love by feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, comforting the afflicted and giving drink to the thirsty.

And that leads us to the concept of a liberal Christian theology; liberals tend to be seekers, conservatives tend to receive. The liberal delves, studies, thinks about and contemplates the meaning and purpose of the Word of God, and tries to find a Way pleasing to God in that search. In so doing the Liberal risks heresy, error and many wasted steps; but gains a faith that is rich and abundent for them.

The conservative seeks God through reception of true faith, religion becomes both source and Way. When the evangelical union met in Chicago in the 1870's (sorry I'm rusty on my Protestant history) and declared the doctrines we call fundimentalism today (sola scriptura, infallability and inerrancy) one of the stated purposes was that Man requires certainty in faith, that to allow for the possibility of either allegory or error in scripture (as understood by the members of the meeting, since they were using a shorter Bible than the Catholics) was to place the faithful in the positon of not knowing what was demanded; inerrant truth was valued above errant seeking. The conservative avoids heresy, error or wasted steps on the path - but surrenders an opportunity for inspired gnosis.

conservative and liberal Christians each love God, and can have a deep abiding faith and be filled with Grace, they get there in different ways
 
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