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    God's character and our accountability?

    If this is true then I think it's pretty easy to understand - if we're making a choice we're responsible. What's difficult to understand, however, is how God can exert His absolute control over even the thoughts of our heart, as you say, and not be making the choice for us. Do you see the...
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    God's character and our accountability?

    So God, although sovereign, does not dictate our actions nor did He cause it in His creation of man (or now) but rather allows for it? You can 'allow' your alcoholic friend to go drinking night after night but at the end of the week he's still responsible. I'll be sure to check the passage...
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    God's character and our accountability?

    Because the answers don't reconcile the problem I'm having. :( Yes! This is a characteristic of God, as are righteousness and being just - I don't think they're compromised by His power. Here it is. Willfully? Can we do what God wants, but decide not to? Does our nature allow us live...
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    God's character and our accountability?

    I have no answers, that is why I am here. It's not a simple matter, though.
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    God's character and our accountability?

    Do you mean to say that God is saying it doesn't please him because not even an eternity of torment cannot satisfy His justice? I think that's stretching the meaning of the passage - which I think has more to do with redemption. [On a side note, if you think that eternal damnation can never...
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    God's character and our accountability?

    How? How is He glorified by causing Himself displeasure? Or would you say that it pleases Him to damn those who are not saved? God says, in Ezekiel, that he does not take pleasure in seeing the wicked die instead of turning from their ways and living. Then how are we responsible if He...
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    Believe in Jesus or go to hell?

    I can't see directly into the souls and hearts of others...so I don't know. Do they act against their conscience or do they really feel no qualms in their actions? Do you think God created the law to oppress or to benefit us? I think to benefit us. Examining our actions, and the RESULT of our...
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    God's character and our accountability?

    Thanks :) Trying to get to the bottom of the biggest issue and I don't see myself being able to do it by discussing it with people who completely disregard certain parts of the Book - so I came here.
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    Believe in Jesus or go to hell?

    Very well. That may be so. He DOES have the power to do whatever he pleases... but JUSTICE as it seems to be described in the Bible, and as is imbeded into our consciences that he bestowed us... does NOT follow in line with holding blame to those who are not responsible. I don't see how anyone...
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    What would you ask God for?

    For Him to take us all, leaving not one soul...in so that no one would be seperated from each other, or Him.
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    Believe in Jesus or go to hell?

    If you read Romans 9 it pretty clearly states that you're salvation or damnation is known and determined before birth and is NOT of your control. Paul then even addresses the question one would obviously have upon learning this: How can God hold them accountable if He determined their path...
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    God's character and our accountability?

    So for the ability to have been lost, he must have had it. Adam had the ability and the free will to choose God's will but just chose not to? God foresaw what would happen to Adam but did not ordain it? Or make it so that nothing else could have happened? Also, would you say that all of...
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    God's character and our accountability?

    This doesn't make any sense to me - at all. To be responsible, or accountable for something, one must be the cause of that thing and to be the cause of the thing one must have the ability to do so. We are not responsible for the Creation, we did not cause it, our Creator did. Thank you, I...
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    God's character and our accountability?

    Good stuff! I agree! I also think that if you love God because of fear of wrath it is also insincere. We don't give our hearts by following rules then....but by realizing our need for God. Sound right? I think people oversimplify this step. To do this sincerely, we should have an...
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    God's character and our accountability?

    Thanks for the responses. I'd like to hear more. How are we responsible, and accountable, if not by our decisions?
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