God’s Politics

[RDKirk]

"Each other" means other Christians for so, so many.

Many don't believe that is what Jesus taught. Many do.

I don't know what you mean to say.

 

[Fantine]

He is pro life and has ended a lot of the perverse things that Biden, a supposed Catholic supported.

Remember when Biden’s own church refused to give him communion?

Biden lived in Delaware and D.C. and the local bishops were not conservative single issue prelates.
One just needs to look at recent Supreme Court decisions to see Catholics who ignore Chrustianity right and left.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Biden lived in Delaware and D.C. and the local bishops were not conservative single issue prelates.
One just needs to look at recent Supreme Court decisions to see Catholics who ignore Chrustianity right and left.

Father Morey, the pastor of the parish, stated that he refused Communion because Biden, as a public figure advocating for abortion rights, placed himself "outside of Church teaching." He explained: "Holy Communion signifies we are one with God, each other and the Church. Our actions should reflect that." This action aligned with a 2004 policy in the Diocese of Charleston (enacted under then-Bishop Robert J. Baker) guiding priests on such situations, citing Canon 915 of the Code of Canon Law, which bars those "obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin" from receiving the sacrament.


Morey emphasized his duty as a priest to minister faithfully, even in difficult cases, and said he would pray for Biden. The denial drew national attention, with reactions varying: some praised it as upholding Church doctrine on abortion, while others (including Biden's home bishop in Wilmington, Delaware, W. Francis Malooly) criticized politicizing the Eucharist.

This canon is part of Book IV (The Sanctifying Function of the Church), Title III (The Most Holy Eucharist), and it places the obligation on the minister of Holy Communion (priest, deacon, or extraordinary minister) to deny the sacrament in specified cases. It is a sacramental discipline, not a penalty like excommunication.​

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Key Elements for Application​

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To apply Canon 915, the situation must meet these criteria (based on canonical commentary and Church documents):​

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• Manifest: The grave sin is publicly known or obvious (in the "external forum").
• Grave sin: Objectively serious matter (e.g., support for intrinsically evil acts like abortion).
• Obstinately persevering: The person persists after being warned or admonished, without repentance.

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The canon protects the Eucharist from sacrilege, prevents scandal to the faithful, and safeguards the soul of the recipient (drawing from 1 Corinthians 11:27–29).​

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What is the Catholic Church's stance?

• The Catechism of the Catholic Church (No. 2271) states: “Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law.”

Respect for Unborn Human Life: The Church's Constant Teaching​

Perhaps you are not familiar with the Catholic Church's and the Pope's official stance.

 

[BCP1928]

Father Morey, the pastor of the parish, stated that he refused Communion because Biden, as a public figure advocating for abortion rights, placed himself "outside of Church teaching." He explained: "Holy Communion signifies we are one with God, each other and the Church. Our actions should reflect that." This action aligned with a 2004 policy in the Diocese of Charleston (enacted under then-Bishop Robert J. Baker) guiding priests on such situations, citing Canon 915 of the Code of Canon Law, which bars those "obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin" from receiving the sacrament.


Morey emphasized his duty as a priest to minister faithfully, even in difficult cases, and said he would pray for Biden. The denial drew national attention, with reactions varying: some praised it as upholding Church doctrine on abortion, while others (including Biden's home bishop in Wilmington, Delaware, W. Francis Malooly) criticized politicizing the Eucharist.

This canon is part of Book IV (The Sanctifying Function of the Church), Title III (The Most Holy Eucharist), and it places the obligation on the minister of Holy Communion (priest, deacon, or extraordinary minister) to deny the sacrament in specified cases. It is a sacramental discipline, not a penalty like excommunication.​

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​

Key Elements for Application​

​

To apply Canon 915, the situation must meet these criteria (based on canonical commentary and Church documents):​

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​

• Manifest: The grave sin is publicly known or obvious (in the "external forum").
• Grave sin: Objectively serious matter (e.g., support for intrinsically evil acts like abortion).
• Obstinately persevering: The person persists after being warned or admonished, without repentance.

​

The canon protects the Eucharist from sacrilege, prevents scandal to the faithful, and safeguards the soul of the recipient (drawing from 1 Corinthians 11:27–29).​

​

What is the Catholic Church's stance?

• The Catechism of the Catholic Church (No. 2271) states: “Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law.”

Respect for Unborn Human Life: The Church's Constant Teaching​

Perhaps you are not familiar with the Catholic Church's and the Pope's official stance.

We are well aware of it. Perhaps some us even approve of it and take that position ourselves. What I don't see is a mandate for imposing it on the non-Christian citizens of a secular state.

 

[Larniavc]

A vote does not mean we support and endorse everything they stand for.

I’m not so sure. Would you vote for the guy who save babies from burning buildings but does the occasional adult murder?

 

[Larniavc]

That is the beauty of having personal opinions - they can differ.

Which is what makes Biblical morality subjective.

 

[RDKirk]

Which is what makes Biblical morality subjective.

Of course it is. God is not an object.

 

[Always in His Presence]

We are well aware of it. Perhaps some us even approve of it and take that position ourselves. What I don't see is a mandate for imposing it on the non-Christian citizens of a secular state.

You may very well be aware of it - but the poster I quoted in the post doesn't seem to be

 

[ViaCrucis]

He is pro life and has ended a lot of the perverse things that Biden, a supposed Catholic supported.

Remember when Biden’s own church refused to give him communion?

Remember when Trump called the holy body of Jesus Christ "a little cracker"?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Perhaps you are not familiar with the Catholic Church's and the Pope's official stance.

You learned this in CCD, right? Or from the priest's homily? A taped message from the bishop?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Remember when Trump called the holy body of Jesus Christ "a little cracker"?

you are comparing that to the killing of Babis in the womb

You learned this in CCD, right? Or from the priest's homily? A taped message from the bishop?

Quoted and linked it to church canon - even used different colors to draw attention to pertinent parts - you missed them in your quote mining.

 

[Hans Blaster]

you are comparing that to the killing of Babis in the womb

I am unfamiliar with this "Babis" person.

Quoted and linked it to church canon - even used different colors to draw attention to pertinent parts - you missed them in your quote mining.

You let an AI do you searching and summarizing. You've demonstrated no understanding of it. (We'll put "quote mining" in the pile of things you don't understand.)

 

[ViaCrucis]

you are comparing that to the killing of Babis in the womb

When did Biden kill a baby in the womb?

 

[Valletta]

We are well aware of it. Perhaps some us even approve of it and take that position ourselves. What I don't see is a mandate for imposing it on the non-Christian citizens of a secular state.

The founding document of the United States makes it clear our rights come from God. Our Christian/Judeo heritage, recognizing our gifts come from God, is what makes our nation special. The major laws in our country are decided upon by our moral values. We decide laws based on those values, whether murder is acceptable, whether it be to kill a daughter because she marries into another religion or to kill a baby in the womb. We set an age for marriage, that age is valid for Christians and non-Christians. We even set modesty standards, women are not allowed to walk around topless whereas men are allowed. I suppose all laws can "impose" on some people.

 

[partinobodycular]

The founding document of the United States makes it clear our rights come from God. Our Christian/Judeo heritage, recognizing our gifts come from God, is what makes our nation special. The major laws in our country are decided upon by our moral values. We decide laws based on those values, whether murder is acceptable, whether it be to kill a daughter because she marries into another religion or to kill a baby in the womb. We set an age for marriage, that age is valid for Christians and non-Christians. We even set modesty standards, women are not allowed to walk around topless whereas men are allowed. I suppose all laws can "impose" on some people.

Here's a map showing all the nations in which God is mentioned in their constitutions. Interestingly the United States isn't among them.

 

[BCP1928]

The founding document of the United States makes it clear our rights come from God.

Which God? Yours? Why yours?

Our Christian/Judeo heritage, recognizing our gifts come from God, is what makes our nation special.

What makes our nation special is that it is a secular constitutional republic with representative government and guaranteed rights, including freedom of religion.

The major laws in our country are decided upon by our moral values. We decide laws based on those values, whether murder is acceptable, whether it be to kill a daughter because she marries into another religion or to kill a baby in the womb. We set an age for marriage, that age is valid for Christians and non-Christians.

Yeah, that's an issue here in NC. The marriage age was 14 and the Dems wanted to raise it to 18 and there was a prolonged struggle with the Republicans who didn't want to change it. They finally 0compromised on 16, but there is still a court order loophole for 14.

We even set modesty standards, women are not allowed to walk around topless whereas men are allowed. I suppose all laws can "impose" on some people.

Who's "we" here? Certainly not "we, the people." Even here in NC it's not illegal for a woman to go topless.

 

[DaisyDay]

I’m not so sure. Would you vote for the guy who save babies from burning buildings but does the occasional adult murder?

Hmm, how many babies and how many adults?

 

[Valletta]

Which God? Yours? Why yours?

What makes our nation special is that it is a secular constitutional republic with representative government and guaranteed rights, including freedom of religion.

Yeah, that's an issue here in NC. The marriage age was 14 and the Dems wanted to raise it to 18 and there was a prolonged struggle with the Republicans who didn't want to change it. They finally 0compromised on 16, but there is still a court order loophole for 14.

Who's "we" here? Certainly not "we, the people." Even here in NC it's not illegal for a woman to go topless.

There's only one God, Our Creator, who created us all. As to the laws, there is debate and laws will vary. The laws that you mention are based on moral values of our culture. For example, we do not accept marriages at age 11. There are plenty of secular governments. Our government was founded upon the recognition that our rights come from our Creator.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

There's only one God, Our Creator, who created us all.

One God but we all seem to have different images, understandings, and even different marching orders even among Christians as OP points out.

 

[BCP1928]

There's only one God, Our Creator, who created us all. As to the laws, there is debate and laws will vary. The laws that you mention are based on moral values of our culture.

That's the issue. How do we know what the moral values of "our culture" are?

For example, we do not accept marriages at age 11. There are plenty of secular governments our government was founded upon the recognition that our rights come from our Creator.

Who was that?