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How someone can claim to be a Christian, yet endorse and support what is abhorrent to Him is beyond me.

It's actually very simple, we just disagree with you about what Christ considers to be abhorrent.
 
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Many of us voted for national candidates with great reluctance. If we weigh many factors and try to consider the complexity of our reality we see that things and issues are not as simple as we might like them to be. I confess that I could never vote for Trump for many, many reasons. And yet I also could not vote for a party so radically fixated on abortion and gender issues gone off the rails.

What to do? I voted for people who had no chance of winning but at least more closely reflected my values. It eased my conscience. I have no regret. I do hope that those who voted for Trump are at least beginning to see the damage has done and continues to do.
 
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Neither political party is a turly 'religious' or Christian in nature - they are not designed to be and this is not a Christian Nation -
How someone can claim to be a Christian, yet endorse and support what is abhorrent to Him is beyond me. ou cannot serve two masters.
Do you endorse and support everything Trump says and does?
 
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Do you endorse and support everything Trump says and does?
No

Nordic think everything he does has an ulterior or evil motive.

Open thread on the subject and I’ll jump in.
 
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No

Nordic think everything he does has an ulterior or evil motive.

Open thread on the subject and I’ll jump in.
Nah, My point is we might vote for someone with reluctance and even regret. A vote does not mean we support and endorse everything they stand for.
 
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Nah, My point is we might vote for someone with reluctance and even regret. A vote does not mean we support and endorse everything they stand for.
But maybe it does mean that we are more responsible to hold them accountable when they betray our values .
 
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It's actually very simple, we just disagree with you about what Christ considers to be abhorrent.
That is the beauty of having personal opinions - they can differ.
 
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How someone can claim to be a Christian, yet endorse and support what is abhorrent to Him is beyond me. You cannot serve two masters.
I don't know. I'll defer to someone who's an expert at it--the current president.
 
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That is the beauty of having personal opinions - they can differ.

That's a beautiful sentiment, but it comes at an amazingly high cost, because that freedom means that some people are going to have opinions that tear at the very core of your sense of right and wrong, nonetheless you're going to have to respect their right to hold them, because to do otherwise is to judge them for that which you also do.

'Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us'... that's a tough bugger to live up to.
 
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