God’s Politics

[partinobodycular]

How someone can claim to be a Christian, yet endorse and support what is abhorrent to Him is beyond me.

It's actually very simple, we just disagree with you about what Christ considers to be abhorrent.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Many of us voted for national candidates with great reluctance. If we weigh many factors and try to consider the complexity of our reality we see that things and issues are not as simple as we might like them to be. I confess that I could never vote for Trump for many, many reasons. And yet I also could not vote for a party so radically fixated on abortion and gender issues gone off the rails.

What to do? I voted for people who had no chance of winning but at least more closely reflected my values. It eased my conscience. I have no regret. I do hope that those who voted for Trump are at least beginning to see the damage has done and continues to do.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Neither political party is a turly 'religious' or Christian in nature - they are not designed to be and this is not a Christian Nation -

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How someone can claim to be a Christian, yet endorse and support what is abhorrent to Him is beyond me. ou cannot serve two masters.

Do you endorse and support everything Trump says and does?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Do you endorse and support everything Trump says and does?

No

Nor di I think everything he does has an ulterior or evil motive.

Open thread on the subject and I’ll jump in.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

No

Nordic think everything he does has an ulterior or evil motive.

Open thread on the subject and I’ll jump in.

Nah, My point is we might vote for someone with reluctance and even regret. A vote does not mean we support and endorse everything they stand for.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Nah, My point is we might vote for someone with reluctance and even regret. A vote does not mean we support and endorse everything they stand for.

But maybe it does mean that we are more responsible to hold them accountable when they betray our values .

 

[Always in His Presence]

It's actually very simple, we just disagree with you about what Christ considers to be abhorrent.

That is the beauty of having personal opinions - they can differ.

 

[Fantine]

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How someone can claim to be a Christian, yet endorse and support what is abhorrent to Him is beyond me. You cannot serve two masters.

I don't know. I'll defer to someone who's an expert at it--the current president.

 

[partinobodycular]

That is the beauty of having personal opinions - they can differ.

That's a beautiful sentiment, but it comes at an amazingly high cost, because that freedom means that some people are going to have opinions that tear at the very core of your sense of right and wrong, nonetheless you're going to have to respect their right to hold them, because to do otherwise is to judge them for that which you also do.

'Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us'... that's a tough bugger to live up to.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I don't know. I'll defer to someone who's an expert at it--the current president.

He is pro life and has ended a lot of the perverse things that Biden, a supposed Catholic supported.

Remember when Biden’s own church refused to give him communion?

 

[Always in His Presence]

That's a beautiful sentiment, but it comes at an amazingly high cost, because that freedom means that some people are going to have opinions that tear at the very core of your sense of right and wrong, nonetheless you're going to have to respect their right to hold them, because to do otherwise is to judge them for that which you also do.

'Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us'... that's a tough bugger to live up to.

Sure will, but they have not done anything against me. And I am not the author of Romans.

 

[RDKirk]

God's politics belong in church. And I don't see electing Trump, would be what God wants. God's just probably in shock. About both sides.

Not shock--that requires surprise.

Sadly unsurprised is more likely.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Who pales in comparison to his predecessor

I do not defend Biden nor Trump. They both get it wrong in different ways. But I can inform my senators and house Representatives of my opinions and hope they will speak up for me instead of just acquiescing to a party line or intimidating leader.

 

[RDKirk]

The open question is how much should Christians try to have the state regulate non-Christian sexual habits and mores.

Perhaps it is truly better for Christians to try to have the state provide for the poor and the weak (to provide for the general welfare).

I submit that Christians can have much influence in having government support the weakest among us. Soup kitchens and a church charities just isn't enough.

The answer to your question is that the Body of Christ should not be interested in using the sword of Ceasar to perform any of the mission that Jesus has set for His Body.

By the sword Caesar keeps order.

By the sword Caesar extracts taxes to do good or to do evil.

The only way Caesar does anything is by the sword.

The first mission of the Body of Christ is to proclaim the gospel. The first mission is not to make sure all the poor of the globe are provided for.

But we are commanded to make sure everyone in the global Body of Christ is provided for--when it is evident that there is no scarcity of resources within the Body of Christ, when every Christian on the planet is fed, housed, and clothed--that demonstrates the power of Jesus to the world.

We are commanded to make sure peace and justice prevails in the global Body of Christ, and when it is evident that peace and justice prevails within the Body, that demonstrates the power of Jesus to the world.

If we can't do those two things within our own Body, why are we trying to use Caesar's sword to force it to happen outside the Body?

We haven't yet removed the log from our own eye.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I do not defend Biden nor Trump. They both get it wrong in different ways. But I can inform my senators and house Representatives of my opinions and hope they will speak up for me instead of just acquiescing to a party line or intimidating leader.

I was not addressing you personally - just the poster I quoted.

We have similar view points on this.

 

[mark46]

The answer to your question is that the Body of Christ should not be interested in using the sword of Ceasar to perform any of the mission that Jesus has set for His Body.

By the sword Caesar keeps order.

By the sword Caesar extracts taxes to do good or to do evil.

The only way Caesar does anything is by the sword.

The first mission of the Body of Christ is to proclaim the gospel. The first mission is not to make sure all the poor of the globe are provided for.

But we are commanded to make sure everyone in the global Body of Christ is provided for--when it is evident that there is no scarcity of resources within the Body of Christ, when every Christian on the planet is fed, housed, and clothed--that demonstrates the power of Jesus to the world.

We are commanded to make sure peace and justice prevails in the global Body of Christ, and when it is evident that peace and justice prevails within the Body, that demonstrates the power of Jesus to the world.

If we can't do those two things within our own Body, why are we trying to use Caesar's sword to force it to happen outside the Body?

We haven't yet removed the log from our own eye.

To be clear, are you saying that Christians should take responsibility for providing for all the weak among us and should not accept any use of governments to perform part of that function.

 

[RileyG]

Anyone on Facebook knows.

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Ugh! That makes me so, so uncomfortable!

SMH

 

[RileyG]

Neither political party is a turly 'religious' or Christian in nature - they are not designed to be and this is not a Christian Nation -

But it will be a cold day on the surface of the sun before I could vote for a party who supports the murder of the unborn and acceptance of perversions.

From a strictly Christian perspective.

Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.​

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28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.​

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How someone can claim to be a Christian, yet endorse and support what is abhorrent to Him is beyond me. ou cannot serve two masters.

I agree, sir. Saying that as a moderate conservative. (I have serious issues with both sides, regardless).

 

[RDKirk]

To be clear, are you saying that Christians should take responsibility for providing for all the weak among us and should not accept any use of governments to perform part of that function.

Here is something I note: The Roman government actually had a public welfare system that doled bread and grain to poor Roman citizens (as well as public entertainment: "Bread and circuses"). But notice that neither Paul nor Peter every mention it.

I would not say "should not accept," I would say the Body of Christ "should not depend upon" government largess. It should not be part of our plan to take care of each other.

 

[mark46]

Here is something I note: The Roman government actually had a public welfare system that doled bread and grain to poor Roman citizens (as well as public entertainment: "Bread and circuses"). But notice that neither Paul nor Peter every mention it.

I would not say "should not accept," I would say the Body of Christ "should not depend upon" government largess. It should not be part of our plan to take care of each other.

"Each other" means other Christians for so, so many.

Many don't believe that is what Jesus taught. Many do.