Zions New Children

[throughfierytrial]

Again as am I, but now this is looking more like flaming since you want to continually perpetuate that your interpretation of scripture is true, while mine is opinion. Good luck to you.

Oh dear! Flaming ?

 

[eclipsenow]

Correct:
1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a dedicated nation....claimed by God as His own......
Revelation 5:9-10 ,,,,by the blood of Jesus, bought for God, peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language.......and they shall reign on earth.

Tick.

Ethnic Israel has had the Kingdom taken from them;
Matthew 21:43 ....I will give the Kingdom to the peoples who bear the proper fruit.
Matthew 8:11-12 Many people will come from the East and the West, to sit with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.....but those who were born to the Kingdom will be thrown out into the dark. ......

Tick.

We Christian peoples are those who will occupy all of the Holy Land.

Cross. (Bzzzzzzt!)

We Christian peoples are those who already occupy the Holy Lands - because the gospel has gone out into the whole earth.

GRACE
Jesus so over-fulfils the OT law and sacrificial system so that we no longer need a high priest or temple - because Jesus replaces them. In the same way, the promises to Abraham that his children would be God’s people living God’s way in God’s land - and that this would bless the whole world, is fulfilled in Jesus living as the perfect Israelite, dying in our place, forgiving our sins, rising to new life to show that it worked, giving us hope of a new creation (as his body ran by the rules of the new reality as a guarantee of what was to come.)

KINGDOM
Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world. Jesus rebukes the disciples when they ask about an ethno-religious state in Israel and gets them to focus on the gospel going out to ALL people - even enemies - even the ends of the earth! Acts 1:8.

SUPER-TEMPLE
He told the woman at the well that because he is the living water, where we worship would soon be irrelevant - as long as it was in Spirit and truth. John 4. Jesus IS the perfect temple where God and mankind meet in perfect incarnation. He is Ezekiel’s “super-temple” - with the living water rushing out to make a new creation! Ezekiel’s super-temple cannot be literal - in the vision he stands on a mountain higher than Jerusalem to see the whole thing and this mountain does not exist. Amillennial Interpretation of Ezekiel 40-48 | Monergism
Zechariah 14 also visualises a terrible earthquake coming from the Mount of Olives - and then living water spreading out to renew the world. But as we have seen, this is all fulfilled in Jesus. He said if they had faith, they could say to this mountain fall into the sea! It’s a reference to the fact that Jesus is the one who splits the mountains - who makes the temple irrelevant.

PRIESTHOOD
1 Peter 2 shows we are all the priesthood and holy nation. That fulfils the end of Zechariah 14 where everyday cooking items are like the most precious items in the temple - the sacred and secular are now both sanctified in Christian life. WE are now the temple of God. 1 Corinthians 3:16, 6:19. We are the ‘one humanity’ made from both Jews and Gentiles. Ephesians 2

LAND
Hebrews 11 shows even Abraham himself and other patriarchs were not really aiming for ‘the land’ - but for heaven! “16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them."
Just as Zechariah reminds Israel that Jeremiah’s prophecies of a Messiah at the end of 70 years of exile can only be fulfilled if they remain obedient and keep the covenant, which reinterprets Jeremiah’s prophecies in the unfolding plan of God for Israel - so the gospel does for the Old Covenant but in much more dramatic and universal ways.

Hebrews 12 puts the final nail in the coffin of the idea of a special land. Just as Jesus told the woman at the well, we no longer worship from special places, but special hearts. Wherever we are, when we pray we are united as if we were all standing in Jerusalem itself! But the billion plus Christians alive today physically would not fit! (Forget any crowd crushes in the Muslim Haj - this would be apocalyptic!) But of course - this is the advantage of the New Testament reality of the ‘spiritualised’ gospel fulfilment of Old Testament concerns and promises. Everything is so much bigger!

Hebrews 12:22 “But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.”

 

[keras]

We Christian peoples are those who already occupy the Holy Lands

Jeremiah 32:6-15 The Lord tells Jeremiah to buy a field and hide the deed of purchase in a sealed jar, to be preserved for a long time to come.
Verse 30 Israel and Judah provoked My anger by their idolatry, therefore...
Verse 36 .... the Land is given over to the sword, famine and pestilence.
Verse 37-43 God’s people, all the Israelites of God, gathered from all the lands to which I banished them. They will be My people and I shall be their God. [They became Christians and prospered, as Jacob and Moses Prophesied]
Verse 44 Then, once again, property will be bought and sold.

I would love to think that sometime soon, that jar will be found and proof of the Holy Land ownership established forever. Psalms 37:29, Matthew 5:5

 

[Guojing]

I am sure they did that because they were showing the sacrificial love that Jesus showed, taught and embodied.

What evidence do you have that they were expecting "the mark of the beast?"
How do you know what their motives were; were you there?

See acts 2:16-21 and understand the meaning of the "day of the lord".to Israel.

It has a very specific meaning

You can also refer to 1 peter 1:3-9 for the last day trial he was telling Israel about, 1 peter was written at around the acts 8 time period.

Then 2 peter which was written near the end of peter life, he had to explain why that day of the lord did not arrive, and urge them to read Pauls ephistles for more info.

 

[keras]

Zechariah 9:9-12 Rejoice with all your heart, Daughter of Zion. Your King is coming, mounted on a donkeys colt. He has won the victory.
The affirmation of Jesus as the King. He has conquered death.

He will banish all weapons of war and proclaim peace to the nations. His Rule will extend over all the earth.

As for My covenant people, I will free the captives. On this Day, I shall restore a double portion to you.
After His second coming – His Millennial rule. His faithful people gathered and blessed.

Zechariah 9:13-17 Judah and Ephraim, the sons of Zion – I have made you like a warriors sword, prepared for battle against the ungodly peoples.
Must be before His second coming, as weapons are prepared for battle.
Judah = the Jews. Ephraim = the 10 tribes scattered around the world.

The Lord will appear over them. [ Before His Glorious Return.]
His arrow will flash like lightning. [ A coronal mass ejection, sunstrike.]

The Lord will sound the trumpet and advance with the storm winds of the South. [The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. Ezekiel 20:47-48 ]
His troops will be protected, they will exult and destroy the enemy.
A great Day of battle, the evil neighbours of Israel destroyed. Jeremiah 12:14, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

On that Day, the Lord will save His people, like a flock. They will sparkle In His Land, like jewels in His crown.
After this event, all of His faithful Christian people will live in all of the holy Land.

What wealth is theirs! What beauty!
Plenty of good food and wine for all His people.

Reference; Revised English Bible, verses abridged.

 

[keras]

I think you had better look into more updated news about the Jews in Israel and their efforts to build the third temple.

Apart from the fact that secular Jewish Israel opposes a Temple because of the strife it would cause, Bible Prophecy clearly states that the new Temple will be built by the Christian peoples. Zechariah 6:15, Isaiah 56:1-8, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 11:1-3, +

several Rabbis have announced that they have met with the messiah

Jeremiah 8:5-12 Judah has no remorse or repentance, How can you say: We have the Law, when your scribes have falsified it? For all, high and low are out for ill-gotten gain, your prophets and rabbis are frauds, every one of them. This wicked race would rather die than live. They say: All is well; no, nothing is well, they will all fall with a great crash on the Day of Reckoning. You will be as dung spread on the ground. Then, I will give the Land to new owners.
THIS is scripture, believe it!

 

[eclipsenow]

Typical preterist avoidance of any possibility that Prophecy could apply to the present time.

Typical brushing aside of careful arguments and historical and biblical evidence.

Typical diversionary tactics to lead back to your own inevitable navel gazing conclusions.

Actually, most Prophesies could have applied to any time after they were given,

That's absolutely false because the prophecies that were given centuries before in Deuteronomy were the ones being referenced by most of the prophets discussing destruction on Israel and the rebuilding of Israel a lifetime later. Not 35 lifetimes later as you would have it!

They often specifically named Assyria and Babylon, and the other smaller kingdoms around Israel.

These were fulfilled by the time of Jesus, as evidenced by the fact that Jesus walked around the streets of Jerusalem!

but as most have not yet happened

Diversionary tactic again.
See the above.
If Israel was not already rebuilt as the prophets said, how on earth was Jesus walking around in Israel and in Jerusalem and in the rebuilt temple?

It says obvious as the nose on our faces!

we must expect their fulfilment at some future time.

No we mustn't because MOST were fulfilled over 2,000 years ago.

I'm not gonna bother discussing various Old testament passages with you cos it never does any good.

Until you can explain how we know Jesus was actually the Messiah from Old testament prophecies - when you intentionally throw other ancient prophecies about Babylon thousands of years out of context - I'm not going to bother.

You don't even realise the consequences of your false teaching. The side effect is you undermine the very gospel itself by completely disregarding how the Old testament prophecies were meant to be read. Unless of course there's a prophecy about a little baby that is to be born in a manger in our generation? Should we follow that person?

 

[keras]

Typical brushing aside of careful arguments and historical and biblical evidence.

Your 'careful arguments'. simply don't cut it.
Your post #150, is directly below mine #149, where I quote Jeremiah 8:5-12. A Prophecy that is obviously unfulfilled.

These were fulfilled by the time of Jesus, as evidenced by the fact that Jesus walked around the streets of Jerusalem!

Then the Holy Land was destroyed by the Romans. 70-135 AD.
That was part of Ezekiel 21:14 Prophecy, where the 'Sword of slaughter' will strike Jerusalem; the Jews three times. One/ Babylon, 2/ Rome and the third soon to come; from the Lord. As graphically described in Ezekiel 21:1-7

You don't even realise the consequences of your false teaching. The side effect is you undermine the very gospel itself by completely disregarding how the Old testament prophecies were meant to be read.

For sure; there will be consequences. 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 explains it.
I read and understand the Prophesies as they are Written. I have a whole library shelf of reference books, like Herodotus, Gibbon, etc, to ascertain what has happened in ancient times. As I see it; most remain yet to happen.

That most people disagree with a future fulfilment of the Prophesies, this is because they have chosen to believe false teachings and the Lord has blinded them to the truths. Many scriptures confirm this. Matthew 11:25 is just one of them.
So it is difficult but not impossible to understand Gods plans for our future. Wait for the Day! Zephaniah 3:8

 

[eclipsenow]

Your 'careful arguments'. simply don't cut it.
Your post #150, is directly below mine #149, where I quote Jeremiah 8:5-12. A Prophecy that is obviously unfulfilled.

What on earth are you TALKING about? It's OBVIOUSLY fulfilled.

Did you know archaeologists have discovered thousands of jars with baby bones and ashes in them from the babies the Israelites sacrificed to pagan gods? Do you know how the story ends? Have you even read the book through from start to finish, and read historical commentaries on it?

Did you know, in the very last chapters of Jeremiah where the king of Judah's sons are slaughtered before him and then his eyes are poked out (so that the last thing he ever saw was the death of his sons) - this whole awful general saga of Jerusalem being captured by horrible people doing horrible things is a fulfilment of Deuteronomy?

Our church covered Jeremiah recently. It's one of the biggest books of the bible - so they chose something like 7 representative passages - and quickly summarised a lot of the material in between. But one thing stood out. Amidst all the awful details of how Jerusalem was judged and starved for abandoning God, and the temple was sacked, and the king and his sons eventually executed - there's this one bit of hope.

The murdered prince's grandfather is kept alive!

Chapter 51 is how the book of Jeremiah ends.

31 In the thirty-seventh year of the exile of Jehoiachin king of Judah, in the year Awel-Marduk became king of Babylon, on the twenty-fifth day of the twelfth month, he released Jehoiachin king of Judah and freed him from prison. 32 He spoke kindly to him and gave him a seat of honor higher than those of the other kings who were with him in Babylon. 33 So Jehoiachin put aside his prison clothes and for the rest of his life ate regularly at the king’s table. 34 Day by day the king of Babylon gave Jehoiachin a regular allowance as long as he lived, till the day of his death.

That last detail is remarkable! Archaeologists have found the Babylonian ration tablets that confirm (to secular people) that this all happened!
It's like God winking at us through historical evidence. "See doubters - this happened!"
And why is it important?
Because the prince's grandfather - Jehoiachin - is how the line of David continued through all this much prophesied, much warned CATASTROPHE!

And you want to undermine all this and say "Oh just ignore all that - it doesn't fit my own end times table?"
How dare you?

Wiki

Then the Holy Land was destroyed by the Romans. 70-135 AD.

Except Israel had ALREADY abandoned God in generations of apostasy and idol worship of the pagan gods, sacrificing their babies.

Except Israel had ALREADY been destroyed by the Assyrians and Babylonians.

Except Israel had ALREADY RETURNED as prophesied by Moses.
(They were returned roughly within a human lifetime - as the prophets YOU want to RIP out of context explained!)

These are the 3 fulfilments your chaotic navel-gazing timetable destroys and contradicts.

Your timetable fights the way the Old Testament hangs together in itself - over emphasising things that are already fulfilled as to do with OUR future - while undervaluing those rare passages that actually DO paint a picture of the last things.

Inconvenient, hey?

 

[keras]

What on earth are you TALKING about? It's OBVIOUSLY fulfilled.

What is really obvious, is how Jewish Israel is once again is the same apostate and God/Jesus rejection condition as twice before.
There is yet to come the final and conclusive fulfilment of Jeremiah 8:5-12. The terrible Day of Reckoning, as many other Prophesies inform us.

It was not the intention of God, to give His prophets a clear, instantly understandable message. To have done that would have revealed His plans to all and sundry.
We can’t yet fully ascertain God’s ultimate design for His creation, although it is clear that he does want those who believe in Him and trust in His Salvation, to be aware of coming events. We are told to trust Him and hold fast to our faith, but to do that in the midst of sudden and shocking events, without some idea of the outcome of such events, and then it will be so much more difficult for us.

Therefore, because God HAS given us the information we need to know about the future, then it is a serious error to ignore it, to fail to gain some understanding or to imagine that a rapture removal to heaven will take us away from it all.

It must be obvious, to anyone who reads the news, that the current world situation is nearing unsustainability, in terms of resources and population. But the flash point and the focus of God’s plan, is the Middle East.
God has not, in the past 77 years, allowed Israel to be conquered and He will not allow that to happen now. Although there will be a judgement upon the Jewish people as well, a remnant will eventually be forgiven and restored. Ezekiel 16:59-63, Romans 9:27

Many prophecies tell of God’s fire judgement; this has not happened as yet, His first judgement of humankind was by a flood. This coming Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, is described as a terrible day of fire and earthquakes. It will be a Day when the heavens blaze; 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, burning like a furnace; Malachi 4:1, raining fiery coals; Psalms 11:4-6, fire like a whirlwind, many will be killed; Isaiah 66:15-17, suddenly, in an instant....flames of devouring fire; Isaiah 29:5-6.
But the verse that tells us exactly what God will use on that Day is Isaiah 30:26a The moon will shine as bright as the sun and the sun will shine with 7 times its normal power.

This accurately describes a solar flare, something that does happen on a regular basis, usually harmlessly. In the past there have been larger Coronal Mass Ejections, explosions of the suns surface, but now; scientists warn of the possibility and likely probability of a massive CME, that in our modern age of communications, transport and conveniences, would have a devastating effect.

Now, note the second half of Isaiah 30:26b... on that Day, the Lord will bind up the broken limbs of His people and heal their wounds.
AND Isaiah 30:29 But for you there will be rejoicing, as you travel to the Holy Land.....
This is a wonderful promise to His people, those who love the Lord and follow in His precepts- every faithful Christian. Many, many prophecies tell how His people will be conveyed and gathered into all of the Holy Land, after this Day of judgement. Isaiah 66:18b-21 This forthcoming Day and the gathering are quite different from that described at the Return of Jesus - years later.

Isaiah 52:6-12 On that Day, My people will know My Name.....go out leave Babylon, keep yourselves pure, the Lord will guard and guide you.

Ezekiel 28:25-26 When I execute judgement on all of Israel’s scornful neighbours, then My people: all the true believers, gathered from the nations, will live in peace in the Land, I shall show My holiness in them for everyone to see. [Before Jesus Returns]

Ezekiel 20:41-42 I shall accept you....after I have brought you out from the peoples where you have been dispersed, into the Land promised to your [Spiritual] forefathers.
Ref: REBible. (verses abridged)

 

[eclipsenow]

What is really obvious, is how Jewish Israel is once again is the same apostate and God/Jesus rejection condition as twice before.

Today's modern mostly secular state of Israel is nothing really to do with any of this.

Now, back to the focus of these visions.

Given that the prophets specifically said BABYLON was the enemy, and that Israel would be under BABYLON’s captivity and RETURNED from BABYLON within 70 years, we don’t have any choice. Most of these prophesies are about Babylon’s captivity of Israel - and then Babylon’s judgement and defeat by God. (With cosmic language of the heavens shaking from the clash - classic cosmic symbols of conflict.)

JEREMIAH 25:11-12 and JEREMIAH 29:10 just don’t give us any other choice.
2 CHRONICLES 36:21 says it HAPPENED! It confirms Jeremiah’s prophecies were fulfilled.

"...to fulfill the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed its Sabbaths. As long as it lay desolate it kept Sabbath, to fulfill seventy years."

DANIEL 9:2 says:

"...I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years that, according to the word of the LORD to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years."

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Isaiah, wrote 150 years before the Babylonian exile. He names the specific Persian king who would end the exile and let Israel go home!
ISAIAH 44:28

"who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, and he shall fulfill all My pleasure'; even saying to Jerusalem, 'You shall be rebuilt,' and to the temple, 'Your foundation shall be laid.'"

ISAIAH 45:1

"Thus says the LORD to His anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have held—to subdue nations before him and loose the armor of kings, to open before him the double doors, so that the gates will not be shut:"

It’s so specific Jewish historian Josephus apparently had a theory that Cyrus was SHOWN these Isaiah prophecies, and decided he’d better comply unless he make Yahweh angry!
(Or so I’ve head - don’t quote me on this - can’t be bothered looking up another text after the work above.)


You haven't really considered these prophecies in their historical context, have you?

The Nicholas Cage movie "Knowing" came out a year before your "vision" in the Middle East in 2010.
I wonder what subconscious Hollywood influences acted on your "vision" from back then, hey?
Let me help you.

These sun and moon and stars verses are not actually the celestial astronomical events you want them to be.

They are well-known symbolic descriptions of battle and the clash of ancient empires.
That's just what they are.

You're welcome.

 

[keras]

Today's modern mostly secular state of Israel is nothing really to do with any of this.

I know that Jewish Israel is not the Israel of God. But they fulfil the role of Israel to the world at this time.
The forthcoming Lords Day of wrath, will uproot them. Jeremiah 12:14-16, Zechariah 13:8-9

Given that the prophets specifically said BABYLON was the enemy, and that Israel would be under BABYLON’s captivity and RETURNED from BABYLON within 70 years, we don’t have any choice. Most of these prophesies are about Babylon’s captivity of Israel - and then Babylon’s judgement and defeat by God. (With cosmic language of the heavens shaking from the clash - classic cosmic symbols of conflict.)

It was Judah who were conquered and exiled by Babylon. They returned to Jerusalen 70 years later, after Cyrus conquered Babylon.
From then on, the Bible uses Babylon as a metaphor for the ungodly peoples. As we see in Rev 18.
There is no mention of cosmic happenings at either of those events. You just make that up - pure avoidance of yet to happen Prophesies.

The actual and genuine House of Israel was conquered and exiled by Assyria 135 years before Judah was. They both received a decreed time for their exile; Ezekiel 4:4-6. Judah came back in 1948, but true Israel, who are now the Christian peoples, are still scattered among the nations.
It is them who will be the new children of Zion. Matthew 8:11

 

[eclipsenow]

I know that Jewish Israel is not the Israel of God. But they fulfil the role of Israel to the world at this time.
The forthcoming Lords Day of wrath, will uproot them. Jeremiah 12:14-16, Zechariah 13:8-9

It was Judah

Soz - I was using 'Israel' in the sense that it means all God's people.

(I'm given to hyperbole sometimes. My bad.)

Let's take a closer look at the verses above, the focus on many of these verses appears to be Jerusalem's destruction and being abandoned - not a specific term for God's people. That means we cannot play semantic games around who is in exile. Rather the focus is on God's special city, bearing God's honour and that was meant to be where God's people lived God's way.

Therefore the "Judah vs Israel" card is illegitimate.

Also, under Persian rule ALL God's people were able to return home to the new Israel - whether from the northern kingdom destroyed by the Assyrians or the southern Judah.

That's 2 reasons we cannot play this card!

Now, onto...

Blood moon, Stars of Heaven​

Celestial signs as cosmic conflict between the ancient kingdoms.

Isaiah 13:10​

"For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not give their light. The rising sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light."

It's similar language - and speaks of the judgement of Babylon and her celestial gods.

Ezekiel 32:7-8​

Pharaoh and Egypt!

"When I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon will not give its light."

Isaiah 34:4​

"All the stars of heaven will be dissolved. The skies will be rolled up like a scroll..."
It's about Edom - but it's also a sort of double-prophecy that hints at how completely universal God's judgement could become.
Falling stars often represent earthly rulers, armies, and states.
Their collapse is as dramatic as stars falling from the heavens.

Amos 8:9 - Israel!​

Assyria will take out the Northern Kingdom of Israel.
"And on that day,' declares the Lord God, 'I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight.'"
Noon = daylight = safety.
Right when they expect safety, darkness and disaster would come.

What does Acts say?

It's the same language of celestial upset and darkness to represent turmoil and the smoke of war below - how the sun and moon look through the awfulness of wartime smoke.

It’s how Peter is describing the Last Days starting with the gospel (2000 years ago) and how as God’s kingdom advances, Satan’s kingdom falls. Jesus used similar language about when he sent out the 70 to declare the gospel and he said “I saw Satan falling like lightning from heaven.” Metaphors like this are abundant in the bible for the rise of one kingdom or progress of God’s people among the nations!

This is a description of Pentecost and the very kingdom of God going out to all nations!

Acts 2:

I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’


Celestial signs as God's outworking in human geopolitical matters is as inescapable as the 70 years of Jerusalem's destruction. Most of these are events grounded in history. Read the context of the verses above in context - I cut the geopolitical references for brevity, as these can become very long posts.

 

[keras]

"And on that day,' declares the Lord God, 'I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight.'"

This phenomena is Prophesied several times. Joel 2:30, Amos 8:9, Acts 2:20, Psalms 18:7-15but the one which tells us when it will happen is Revelation 6:12.
At the Sixth Seal Day of worldwide destruction, when all of the Holy Land will be cleared and cleansed. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
The Prophecy of Zephaniah 2:4 is another clear statement of Gods intentions; how the ungodly peoples will be uprooted at noon time; on the Day of the Lords anger.

Celestial signs as God's outworking in human geopolitical matters

What pretentious tripe!
I stand by how if a Prophecy can be literally fulfilled, then it will be.

 

[keras]

A people who keep the faith- righteous Christians:

Isaiah 26:11 Lord; Your hand is lifted high, let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them. The godless cannot see how You will protect Your people.

Isaiah 26:20-21 Go My people, enter your rooms and shut the doors after you. Withdraw for a little while, until the Lord’s wrath has passed. The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their sins. Then the earth will show the blood shed on it and hide the slain no more.

Isaiah 25:9 On that Day, Your people will say: See, this is our God, we have waited for Him and He will deliver us, let us rejoice and exult in His deliverance.

Isaiah 25:1-3 God Almighty, You are my God, I shall praise You, for You have done wonderful things – long planned, certain and sure. You have turned cities into heaps of rubble, their houses swept away – never to be rebuilt. For this, many a cruel nation is in awe of You.

Isaiah 26:16-19 In our distress, Lord, we sought You out, chastened by the whisper of Your rebuke. As a woman with child cries out in her pains, so were we because of You, Lord. Our labour has been in vain, we achieved nothing for Your Land or people. But Your dead will live, those long dead who lay in the earth, will rise again, they will arise and shout for joy.

Isaiah 25:4-5 Truly, You have been a refuge to the poor and needy in their distress, their shelter from the tempest, shade from the heat. For the attack of the godless gets them nowhere and You silence the uproar of our enemies.

Isaiah 26:15 Lord, You have enlarged the nation and won honour for Yourself. You have extended all the frontiers of this country.

Isaiah 26:1-2 On that Day this song will be sung in Judah; We have a strong city – Open the gates, let a righteous nation enter, a people who kept the faith.
Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged



The Lord’s hand of judgement is ready to strike, the fire reserved for Your enemies will consume them. Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1, Revelation 6:12-17
for the attack of the godless gets them nowhere, The fulfilment of Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Jeremiah 49:35-37

Whole cities are destroyed and those killed will lie unburied. Amos 1:1-15, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 9:22, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 17:1

But the Lord will be a refuge for His righteous people. Psalms 62:5-8, Zephaniah 2:3

..shade from the heat, they; withdraw for a little while,– take shelter from the fire reserved for His enemies, a huge Coronal Mass Ejection fireball, that will destroy them. Isaiah 30:26-30, Proverbs 3:25-26, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

Then: a righteous nation [people group] enters, Matthew 21:43, into all of the holy Land area, as promised to the Patriarchs, by descent or grafted in by faith. Galatians 3:36-29
They will live in the new country of Beulah, all of the holy Land: in peace and prosperity. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 31:10-14, Isaiah 27:6, Ezekiel 28:24-26, Romans 9:24-26
They are all the faithful Christians from every race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9, who will fulfill their destiny to be a light to the nations and His witnesses to the world. Isaiah 43:10-12, John 15:27, Isaiah 66:19, Isaiah 49:8

Your dead will rise again This happens later, Jesus will bring the souls of the dead martyrs with Him at His Return. Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 20:4 and then, after the Millennium. all who have ever lived will stand before God in Judgement. Revelation 20:11-15 and those people found worthy; their names Written in the Book of Life, will receive immortality.

 

[eclipsenow]

This phenomena is Prophesied several times. Joel 2:30, Amos 8:9, Acts 2:20, Psalms 18:7-15but the one which tells us when it will happen is Revelation 6:12.

You jump around between verses like a hyperactive grasshopper - without slowing down and considering the context of each author.

This is a great example of eisegesis.

Eisegesis​

Eisegesis is the practice of interpreting a text by reading one's own ideas, biases, or agenda into it, rather than drawing out the author's intended meaning, essentially "leading in" instead of "leading out".

It's a subjective approach where the interpreter forces the text to support a pre-existing belief, often by ignoring context, language, and cultural background, leading to misinterpretation and distorted understanding, especially when applied to scripture.

Biblical Theology must be done​

Biblical Theology must be done when reading the Old Testament. We need to slow down, and see what each book actually has to say in the context of the author’s culture, historical concerns of the period, and where we are in the broader unfolding plan of God?

EACH ERA has its own concerns

Have the first humans just sinned? Has the world been ‘uncreated’ and ‘recreated’ in the chiastic structure of Noah’s flood? Is it before God’s promises to Abraham that God’s people would live God’s way in God’s land?
Is it after - during the time of slavery in Egypt?
Is it before or after the great Passover rescue?
Is it when Moses is giving his pep talk to Israel in Deuteronomy - warning them before they even enter the land about how they will be exiled and taken OUT of the land if they ever abandon God? But even then - there is hope of a small remnant returning!
Is it during the period of the judges?
The downward spiralling into sin of the period of the Kings?
Is it before or after the building of the temple?
Is it before the Assyrians cart off Israel into captivity?
Before the Babylonians do the same to Judah - and horrifically - sack and destroy the temple?
Is it just after the Persian Empire let any Israelite or Jew who wanted to go home return to rebuild the temple?
Is it before Jesus?
Is it after Jesus?
Before or after Pentecost?

EACH BOOK has its own structure.
What is the structure of the book? How do different sections of the book fit together, and relate to each other and the historical concerns of the era?
What would the original audience have made of the text?
Was it encouraging or rebuking or a bit of both?
Was it new information, or reminding them of existing prophesies of the past?
What was in the surrounding literature of the time?

Only after investigating all these questions of Biblical Era and Each Book’s Structure can we begin to see how the promises of God are viewed by each author.

EACH TESTAMENT has its own concerns and structures.
Then we have to as, how does the New Testament address this issue in any way?
Are they borrowing the images and symbols of the past to remind us of something?
Or are they informing us of the fulfilment of something from the past to challenge our assumptions?
(Jesus did this A LOT - as did Paul!)
Are they using Hebrew apocalyptic symbols from the past in new ways to challenge our thinking about our present reality this side of the gospel, between Jesus Resurrection and his Return?
John did THIS a lot!

Only after we have investigated ALL these questions do we get to ask, “How might this Old Testament message speak to us today, through the lens of the New Testament?”

Just going "That sounds to me like... blah blah blah…” is utterly unacceptable.