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Trump’s team sees Europe’s ‘erasure.’

Should the EU stay together?

  • Yes, absolutely, because the whole entire world benefits from a united Europe

    Votes: 6 75.0%
  • No

    Votes: 2 25.0%

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European Union’s announcement Friday of a roughly $140 million fine against X for violating the bloc’s digital rules have fueled the fire, pushing transatlantic relations to their lowest point since Trump returned to the White House in January.

Elon Musk, the owner of X, is calling for abolishing the E.U., and Trump supporters are railing against the 27-nation bloc.

 
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Elon Musk, the owner of X, is calling for abolishing the E.U., and Trump supporters are railing against the 27-nation bloc.
This should probably be up to the people who actually live there.
 
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I voted yes...but with a disclaimer lol.

Given the fact that the EU occupies a landmass that's smaller than the US, it makes perfect sense for them to "team up" on certain shared services.

For instance, it doesn't make sense for them to have 27 different versions of the FAA. It makes sense for them to team up on some defense capabilities. 27 disjointed air forces are less effective than 2 or 3 bigger ones that are the result of collaboration with a few decision makers steering the ship.

And given the close proximity, certain border travel agreements make sense. (I wouldn't want to go through a lengthy customs process every time I went to Pennsylvania)


But I do think it should be more of a federalist model, where there are certain "infield" and certain "outfield" aspects.

Structured more like a federalist system like we have in the US, where the certain "key" initiatives are mandatory buy-ins (the infield), but where each member nation/state still maintains the right to "go their own way" on stuff that's not of international concern (the outfield)


The one potential flaw I see... Their HQ needs to be in London or Berlin, not Brussels.

The seat of any international organization needs to be in a place that embodies a more diverse set of viewpoints that would be more likely to be amicable to all parties involved. When you place the HQ in an ideological bubble (within the Overton window you're working with), that leads to contention. The UN HQ being in NYC would be an example of that.
 
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European Union’s announcement Friday of a roughly $140 million fine against X for violating the bloc’s digital rules have fueled the fire, pushing transatlantic relations to their lowest point since Trump returned to the White House in January.

Elon Musk, the owner of X, is calling for abolishing the E.U., and Trump supporters are railing against the 27-nation bloc.

I think the EU should stay together to protect American interests. But will they? I dont know. I mean, if Europeans are ethnically replaced by foreign immigrants, is it really the same Europe anymore?
 
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We wouldn’t accept foreigners telling us how to organize our country - especially if they’re from unstable countries with governments of questionable moral character.
 
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We wouldn’t accept foreigners telling us how to organize our country - especially if they’re from unstable countries with governments of questionable moral character.
Don't we have that right here every single day? I'm pretty sure I've heard foreigners complain about every single aspect of U.S. political policy ever mentioned.
 
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Sorry, don't know why I replied. I have no sensible response to that whatsoever.
It would be pretty insane if you disagreed with me questioning that. You know...considering.
 
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The one potential flaw I see... Their HQ needs to be in London or Berlin, not Brussels.
Why would the headquarters of the EU be in London? The UK has left the EU years ago, and wasn't fully integrated before that.
 
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Don't we have that right here every single day? I'm pretty sure I've heard foreigners complain about every single aspect of U.S. political policy ever mentioned.
Sure, we can talk about it but, why is it of any interest to you or Elon Musk, for that matter, whether the EU is abolished or remains a union?

The only opinions that really matter on this are those of the people living in the constituent states of the EU. Everyone else is just butting in. That's why I won't answer your poll. It's not up to me and I don't care what they decide to do.
 
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European Union’s announcement Friday of a roughly $140 million fine against X for violating the bloc’s digital rules have fueled the fire, pushing transatlantic relations to their lowest point since Trump returned to the White House in January.

Elon Musk, the owner of X, is calling for abolishing the E.U., and Trump supporters are railing against the 27-nation bloc.

Alternative head line: Whiney billionaire baby throws tantrum over fine for violating regulations where his company does business.
 
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European Union’s announcement Friday of a roughly $140 million fine against X for violating the bloc’s digital rules
It's very simple. You do business with us, you comply with our rules.
 
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Ask the people who live in the EU. End of discussion.
Ok. Don't ever speak another word about 1st or 2nd amendment rights, Donald Trump, or anything to do with American politics again. Ever... KEEP OUR POLITICS OUT YOUR MOUTH'S.
 
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For one the USA cannot determine the democratic choices of the European peoples
If we're not allowed to speak on European politics, then why do Europeans think they can comment on our right to bear arms, and our politics?

The hypocrisy runs thick.
 
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I voted yes...but with a disclaimer lol.

Given the fact that the EU occupies a landmass that's smaller than the US, it makes perfect sense for them to "team up" on certain shared services.

For instance, it doesn't make sense for them to have 27 different versions of the FAA. It makes sense for them to team up on some defense capabilities. 27 disjointed air forces are less effective than 2 or 3 bigger ones that are the result of collaboration with a few decision makers steering the ship.

And given the close proximity, certain border travel agreements make sense. (I wouldn't want to go through a lengthy customs process every time I went to Pennsylvania)


But I do think it should be more of a federalist model, where there are certain "infield" and certain "outfield" aspects.

Structured more like a federalist system like we have in the US, where the certain "key" initiatives are mandatory buy-ins (the infield), but where each member nation/state still maintains the right to "go their own way" on stuff that's not of international concern (the outfield)


The one potential flaw I see... Their HQ needs to be in London or Berlin, not Brussels.

The seat of any international organization needs to be in a place that embodies a more diverse set of viewpoints that would be more likely to be amicable to all parties involved. When you place the HQ in an ideological bubble (within the Overton window you're working with), that leads to contention. The UN HQ being in NYC would be an example of that.
FYI, London is not in the EU. The principle of subsidiarity is the working principle of the EU devolving decisions to the lowest levels at which effective choices can be made. Making Berlin the EU capital was the historical ambition of the Third reich and its bid is still handicapped by the history there. NATO is the defense alliance in the region and there is now deepening collaboration between UK, France and Germany as well as other countries in Europe like Norway for example
 
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