Trump’s team sees Europe’s ‘erasure.’

[Landon Caeli]

European Union’s announcement Friday of a roughly $140 million fine against X for violating the bloc’s digital rules have fueled the fire, pushing transatlantic relations to their lowest point since Trump returned to the White House in January.

Elon Musk, the owner of X, is calling for abolishing the E.U., and Trump supporters are railing against the 27-nation bloc.

MSN

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Elon Musk, the owner of X, is calling for abolishing the E.U., and Trump supporters are railing against the 27-nation bloc.

This should probably be up to the people who actually live there.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I voted yes...but with a disclaimer lol.

Given the fact that the EU occupies a landmass that's smaller than the US, it makes perfect sense for them to "team up" on certain shared services.

For instance, it doesn't make sense for them to have 27 different versions of the FAA. It makes sense for them to team up on some defense capabilities. 27 disjointed air forces are less effective than 2 or 3 bigger ones that are the result of collaboration with a few decision makers steering the ship.

And given the close proximity, certain border travel agreements make sense. (I wouldn't want to go through a lengthy customs process every time I went to Pennsylvania)


But I do think it should be more of a federalist model, where there are certain "infield" and certain "outfield" aspects.

Structured more like a federalist system like we have in the US, where the certain "key" initiatives are mandatory buy-ins (the infield), but where each member nation/state still maintains the right to "go their own way" on stuff that's not of international concern (the outfield)


The one potential flaw I see... Their HQ needs to be in London or Berlin, not Brussels.

The seat of any international organization needs to be in a place that embodies a more diverse set of viewpoints that would be more likely to be amicable to all parties involved. When you place the HQ in an ideological bubble (within the Overton window you're working with), that leads to contention. The UN HQ being in NYC would be an example of that.

 

[Landon Caeli]

This should probably be up to the people who actually live there.

Why?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

European Union’s announcement Friday of a roughly $140 million fine against X for violating the bloc’s digital rules have fueled the fire, pushing transatlantic relations to their lowest point since Trump returned to the White House in January.

Elon Musk, the owner of X, is calling for abolishing the E.U., and Trump supporters are railing against the 27-nation bloc.

MSN

I think the EU should stay together to protect American interests. But will they? I dont know. I mean, if Europeans are ethnically replaced by foreign immigrants, is it really the same Europe anymore?

 

[Bradskii]

The one potential flaw I see... Their HQ needs to be in London...

Kind of a potential flaw there as well...

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Why?

We wouldn’t accept foreigners telling us how to organize our country - especially if they’re from unstable countries with governments of questionable moral character.

 

[Bradskii]

Why?

Sorry, don't know why I replied. I have no sensible response to that whatsoever.

 

[Landon Caeli]

We wouldn’t accept foreigners telling us how to organize our country - especially if they’re from unstable countries with governments of questionable moral character.

Don't we have that right here every single day? I'm pretty sure I've heard foreigners complain about every single aspect of U.S. political policy ever mentioned.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Sorry, don't know why I replied. I have no sensible response to that whatsoever.

It would be pretty insane if you disagreed with me questioning that. You know...considering.

 

[Nithavela]

Just a distraction maneuver to get people to not talk about war crimes or the abysmal US economy.

Sweep in front of your own door.

 

[Nithavela]

The one potential flaw I see... Their HQ needs to be in London or Berlin, not Brussels.

Why would the headquarters of the EU be in London? The UK has left the EU years ago, and wasn't fully integrated before that.