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Although I don't believe this apparently scientists believe life formed on its own

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You want to stay an agnostic, don't you?

It's not really a matter of my 'wanting' to be an agnostic. I simply am what I am. You may be absolutely certain that there's a God, but I'm not.

What's odd, is that I still consider myself to be a Christian. Because there's an ideal hidden deep down beneath all the dogma, all the pretentiousness, and all the judgmentalism that says that this truth... 'that thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself' is an ideal that I do in fact choose to believe in.

For me, both God and Christianity exist in here... :heart: regardless of whether they exist anywhere else. And this is the standard to which I hold everyone... not what it says in your profile, or in your theology, or the lack thereof, but what it says in the way that you treat your fellow man.
 
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That molecules ended up hitting each other forming amino acids and biological matter and that by chance Earth just had just the right properties to help harbor life, and that these molecules turned into living things, and eventually just knew how to evolve into more complex sentient beings, like all this happened by mere accident.

There is plenty of evidence that simple chemicals spontaneously form more complicated bonds.

For instance, the teams looking at samples from the Bennu asteroid have found amino acids, nucleobases, ribose, glucose and carboxylic acids.

That would suggest that all of the basic elements needed to form simple self replicators (i.e. 'life') can form on their own. Even in an environment as adverse as an asteroid open to the vacuum of space.

I believe God was involved, he created life.

That's nice that you believe that, but science is about what you can demonstrate and have evidence for. What have you got?

We are sentient because of him, he knew where to put our fingers, our eyes, and how to make our eyes work, and our body digest food, he has made this all possible.

The problem here is that the evidence available lead to the conclusion that all of those things - sight, digestion, the shape of the primate hand - evolved over periods of tens of millions to billions of years and that humans and all other creatures are the result of natural biological processes.

But of course the scientists would say where is our proof for our belief in the existence of God, we point to Jesus and the testimony, however they want undeniable proof and facts. How do we give them that?

Scientists wouldn't say "where is our proof for our belief in the existence of God," for a couple of reasons.
Firstly, the beliefs of any particular individual has no bearing on the validity of an idea in the sciences.
Secondly, scientists would want evidence rather than "proof".

If you want "undeniable proof and facts" here's a suggestion:

Take you belief(s) and use them to make exclusive, novel and useful predictions about life. Then test it and share the finding with the rest of the world. Then make them and test them again, thousands of times daily.

That is, figure out an "if, X, then Y" statement that could only be true if your beliefs about God creating life are accurate. This forecast also cannot include anything that could be forecast from our current understanding of evolution.
 
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Life didn't "emerge."

It was implanted.

Anyone asking for how life got started scientifically is begging to be confused.
Yes I agree life has been introduced by God the creator of life.
 
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Yes I agree life has been introduced by God the creator of life.
And now science is trying to discovered what that event looked like from our side of things.
 
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And now cience is trying to discovered what that event looked like from our side of things.
Yes thats how science began. To discover how Gods creation worked and was manifested to us.

But it seems the investigation to understand and describe Gods creation has become the creator itself. Gods creation is being used as the creator itself. The nature of Gods creation is itself being made the god so that God can be ommitted.

The strange thing is if God is the creator then this itself tells us that science cannot figure out what created Gods creation because, well its God and not His creation.

Science will have to admit it will never work this out and all its doing is describing Gods supernatural creation up to a certain point within that human made concept of methological naturalism.
 
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Yes thats how science began. To discover how Gods creation worked and was manifested to us.

But it seems the investigation to understand and describe Gods creation has become the creator itself. Gods creation is being used as the creator itself. The nature of Gods creation is itself being made the god so that God can be ommitted.

The strange thing is if God is the creator then this itself tells us that science cannot figure out what created Gods creation because, well its God and not His creation.

Science will have to admit it will never work this out and all its doing is describing Gods supernatural creation up to a certain point within that human made concept of methological naturalism.
Scientists already have "admitted" this, In fact they insist on in in the face of Christian lies to the contrary.
 
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The strange thing is if God is the creator then this itself tells us that science cannot figure out what created Gods creation because, well its God and not His creation.

But if I buy the whole Orthodox Christian story of 'God the creator' then I have to ask myself... why in the heck did God do such a poor job? I mean just think about it, the earth that you and I live on is currently crawling with a 'multitude' of fallen angels and demons who are constantly trying to corrupt our very souls. Thank you God for the 'wonderful' world that you've created for me to live on. :doh:

That seems like a horrible plan to me, and therefore the Orthodox Christian God is somebody that I'm not really willing to accept as a worthy recipient of my undying praise and admiration. Surely that's not an unreasonable position for me to take.
 
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But if I buy the whole Orthodox Christian story of 'God the creator' then I have to ask myself... why in the heck did God do such a poor job? I mean just think about it, the earth that you and I live on is currently crawling with a 'multitude' of fallen angels and demons who are constantly trying to corrupt our very souls. Thank you God for the 'wonderful' world that you've created for me to live on. :doh:

That seems like a horrible plan to me, and therefore the Orthodox Christian God is somebody that I'm not really willing to accept as a worthy recipient of my undying praise and admiration. Surely that's not an unreasonable position for me to take.
Don't concern yourself. Steve's ideas on the subject are certainly not orthodox.
 
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But if I buy the whole Orthodox Christian story of 'God the creator' then I have to ask myself... why in the heck did God do such a poor job? I mean just think about it, the earth that you and I live on is currently crawling with a 'multitude' of fallen angels and demons who are constantly trying to corrupt our very souls. Thank you God for the 'wonderful' world that you've created for me to live on. :doh:

That seems like a horrible plan to me, and therefore the Orthodox Christian God is somebody that I'm not really willing to accept as a worthy recipient of my undying praise and admiration. Surely that's not an unreasonable position for me to take.

God, Who owns and has all the gold and silver and gems in the entire universe at His disposal, is willing to give it all up for something He doesn't have yet.

You.
 
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