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As a civilian, what is there to do if one pays to attention to that? We talking flee to different country kind of thing? Protests? I'm honestly clueless here.
No, it's called paying attention, not running away. Start asking questions. Like, why are we down there to begin with?
 
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As a civilian, what is there to do if one pays to attention to that? We talking flee to different country kind of thing? Protests? I'm honestly clueless here.
I'm mostly talking about civilian government, primarily the Congress. But the rest of us in terms of contacting our respective Congresscritters and urging them to pass resolutions to prohibit a land war in Venezuela.
 
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I'm mostly talking about civilian government, primarily the Congress. But the rest of us in terms of contacting our respective Congresscritters and urging them to pass resolutions to prohibit a land war in Venezuela.
Whatever you may think about a land war in South America, whether it's the right thing to do or not, we could not win one. The top military leadership in this country is not competent to pursue such a war. We've gotten into a lot of trouble over the years with wars like that where the SecDefs have made mistakes, but at least they were all grownups. I sincerely believe that Hegseth is not playing with a full deck and if there ever was a case of "loss of confidence in his ablilty to command" it's him.
 
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My question (still unanswered) is, why are we blowing up those boats instead of interdicting them in the usual way, like the USCG is still doing successfully in the Pacific?

...because blowing up boats with very expensive ordance makes for a good TV show......yet they still have not realeased the full, unedited video to the public.

I would have have loved to be a fly on the wall when the Naval commander of the USS Ford received orders to leave the Mediterranean sea and head to......Venezuela. I'm sure there were a few choice words used.....
 
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...because blowing up boats with very expensive ordance makes for a good TV show......yet they still have not realeased the full, unedited video to the public.

I would have have loved to be a fly on the wall when the Naval commander of the USS Ford received orders to leave the Mediterranean sea and head to......Venezuela. I'm sure there were a few choice words used.....
I've seen a rough cost estimate of about $1,000,000 per "narco-terrorist" killed, counting most costs involved in the total operation.
 
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