Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

[Always in His Presence]

All the accusation needs is proof.

A Washington Post article from yet another unnamed source that was so bad even The NY Times had to correct it is not proof.

 

[wing2000]

Have the footage? Or any evidence whatsoever that any accusations actually occured?

As you well know, the Pete Hegseth has not released the video or any other information.
However, when the commanding officer who, according to the White House, was "authorized" to carry out the order, testifies before the Senate Armed Services Committee, we will have some answers.

 

[Larniavc]

The White House on Monday confirmed a second strike in September had killed wounded civilians after the first effort failed, and put responsibility largely on the naval commander leading the mission.

Why is this such a big deal? American police kill people all the time. The person issuing the order may have felt threatened.

 

[NxNW]

Why is this such a big deal? American police kill people all the time. The person issuing the order may have felt threatened.

Gosh, I hope this is sarcasm.

 

[MarcusGregor]

All the accusation needs is proof.

A Washington Post article from yet another unnamed source that was so bad even The NY Times had to correct it is not proof.

Apparently there is video of the incident that hasn't been released to the public and the administration has admitted that it happened and are now passing the blame between the Admiral and Hegseth.

 

[MarcusGregor]

Show me the proof that any of this actually happened.

There is footage, but it hasn't been released to the public. The administration has admitted that it happened and are passing the blame between the admiral and Hegseth. The fact that it happened is not in dispute.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Apparently there is video of the incident that hasn't been released to the public and the administration has admitted that it happened and are now passing the blame between the Admiral and Hegseth.

And the part where the Secretary of War told them to "kill them all" - how is that going.

 

[MarcusGregor]

And the part where the Secretary of War told them to "kill them all" - how is that going.

Not really relevant. It doesn't matter what words were used. The incident happened. The law was broken. Who needs to go to prison for war crimes? Thats really the only question that needs to be answered now.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Not really relevant. It doesn't matter what words were used. The incident happened. The law was broken. Who needs to go to prison for war crimes? Thats really the only question that needs to be answered now.

Completely relevant - it is what started this whole fluff and stuff - if one part is made up - how do you know what else is made up? There are no military experts here - no one here has been in the room when all this was happening, and the left and their propaganda media will not, for any reason at any time, believe anything that comers from the administration.

So they will bloviate for as long as it get's people riled up.

again.

 

[MarcusGregor]

Completely relevant - it is what started this whole fluff and stuff - if one part is made up - how do you know what else is made up? There are no military experts here - no one here has been in the room when all this was happening, and the left and their propaganda media will not, for any reason at any time, believe anything that comers from the administration.

So they will bloviate for as long as it get's people riled up.

again.

Well, yeah. We're all going off of reporting and information released to the public. What else would be expected on a public forum? What else should we talk about in this thread about this incident?

But it remains that the incident apparently did happen and there will (should) be accountability.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

There are no military experts here

Incorrect, there are at least twelve military experts here. They obviously aren't serving but they are experts. I have noticed them since the Afghanistan withdraw. Total experts on everything.

no one here has been in the room when all this was happening

I know a guy who was six nautical miles away, 12,235 yards, who watched it happen live.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Well, yeah. We're all going off of reporting and information released to the public. What else would be expected on a public forum? What else should we talk about in this thread about this incident?

But it remains that the incident apparently did happen and there will (should) be accountability.

I'm responding to your previous comment:

The incident happened. The law was broken. Who needs to go to prison for war crimes? Thats really the only question that needs to be answered now.

Before a charge is laid
Before any discovery is done
Before there is a court martial

We sit back listening to news sources who are reporting unsubstantiated claims - the first one already proven false - and you are suggesting that the only thing left is finding someone to go to jail.

Really?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

There is footage, but it hasn't been released to the public. The administration has admitted that it happened and are passing the blame between the admiral and Hegseth. The fact that it happened is not in dispute.

Provide a source quoting the Trump administration admitted that it happened.

 

[BCP1928]

Provide a source quoting the Trump administration admitted that it happened.

White House Confirms and Defends 2nd Strike on Boat, Contradicting Trump

Karoline Leavitt's comments appear to contradict those Trump made a day earlier about the boat strikes

time.com

 

[Bradskii]

Have the footage? Or any evidence whatsoever that any accusations actually occured?

So you're not saying that it was justified or trying to excuse it. You are saying that it might not even have happened. Yet the gutless Sec of Defence has thrown his own admiral under a bus by saying 'Hey, it wasn't me! He's the guy that did it'.

From here: Trump administration is ‘selling out’ admiral to shield Hegseth over boat strikes, officials say

'At a Pentagon briefing on Tuesday, Kingsley Wilson, the Pentagon press secretary said that the decision to re-strike the “narco terrorist vessel” was made by Adm Frank M Bradley...'

Do you get that? I guess maybe you haven't been following the news these last couple of days or you'd know about it. The fact that the vessel was blown up a second time is not in dispute. So there were men in the water. The question that you and others have to ask yourselves is whether this can possibly be justified. Maybe a quote might prompt some self reflection:

'Trump said on Sunday he “wouldn’t have wanted that – not a second strike” when asked about the incident...'

So, let's be clear. Do you agree with your president or not? Something tells me that we won't be getting a simple answer to that because you aren't sure who is to blame.

There's been a few threads in the forum as to whether relative morality exists. Well guys, this is a classic example of it. It's a guarantee that it exists. Because you won't say that something is wrong until you know who did it.

 

[7thKeeper]

Provide a source quoting the Trump administration admitted that it happened.

Oof.

 

[MarcusGregor]

Provide a source quoting the Trump administration admitted that it happened.

Like... Do you guys watch\read the news or go anywhere on the internet other than these forums? Why are you trying to discuss these things if you have no idea what anyone is talking about without them spoon feeding it to you? You're at least the third poster I've seen ask for "proof" or evidence of things that have been clearly confirmed to be true and all over media.

 

[MarcusGregor]

I'm responding to your previous comment:


Before a charge is laid
Before any discovery is done
Before there is a court martial

We sit back listening to news sources who are reporting unsubstantiated claims - the first one already proven false - and you are suggesting that the only thing left is finding someone to go to jail.

Really?

Well, I firmly believe that about 90% of this entire administration already belongs in prison, so yeah. Really.

But since we're not adjudicating the case on this forum then it's just an opinion.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Do you get that?

Did you get the part that said they did not see any survivors?

 

[Bradskii]

Did you get the part that said they did not see any survivors?

Yeah, sure. The military often blows up wreckage after they've destroyed a boat and killed all the occupants. But you forgot to answer the question as to whether a second strike was justified if there were survivors.

How about you give us a statement as regards your position on the morality of that? Or do you still need to wait to find out who was responsible?