Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

[essentialsaltes]

Hegseth called it "fake news".

Originally, yes, but the story has evolved with the WH acknowledging it.

 

[stevevw]

No one has that intention. Regardless of the "law of armed conflict" once upon a time it would have been considered an atrocity to sink an enemy vessel and then machine gun the survivors in the water.

And once upon a time it would have been considered mass murder and horrific that boat loads of drugs were killing a million people in a generation. More than all the major wars in the 20th century.

Once upon a time we were tough on drugs and crime. Now more people are dying than in wars because we allowed drugs and crime to get out of hand. Its all subjective and depends on what you think is the greater wrong.

Once upon a time Christians would have lamented their deaths, even though they were the enemy. I guess we were just just inaccurately informed about the Gospel of Christ.

Actually once upon a time Christians and most people supported the death penalty and supported a war on evil. Understoof that sometimes evil is met with bad consequences.

Now there's an adversion to even acknowledge there is such a thing called sin. That wrong doing cannot be helped because someone has been oppressed and never had enough love. So we have to go soft on crime and wrong doing. Let people steal as they are disadvantaged, give them 20 chances before we jail them because they are misunderstood.

I think its time reality came back and part of that is there are consequences for bad behaviour and let those consequences happen and stop protecting people from them. It just makes it far worse.

Kill 'em all, right? OK, this is a Christian forum and it's good of you to instruct us about the Christian position on the incident.

No just a couple of boats and suddenly the drug trade stops and we are saving 1,00s of lives. No one dares try that again. Its easy. Rather than all this compromise and cotton wooling that just covers up the bad and lets it continue.

Otherwise whats your solution. Some diplomatic talks, yeah sure when the government has their finger in the pie. What about reeductaing the Narcos. Nah don't think thats going to work.

So your alternative is also "Kill 'em all, right?" except in this case its allowing the drugs to come in and kill and destroy another million people over the next generation.

So we have a situation where a few Narcos are killed or a few more million Americans are killed. An ethical dilemma. So lets just stick our heads in the sand and let it continue.

I actually think its a bold and brave move. But also one where you have to be ready to backup the words if its going to work. But it will work and save millions and change the course of societies future for the better if even half the drug trade would stop.

I guarentee if this was something Biden or Obama did everyone would be supporting it. But because its Trump it must be bad.

 

[Servus]

Originally, yes, but the story has evolved with the WH acknowledging it.

Yeah I just saw a Reuters article about it that came out today. It included this video:

Of course there's nothing at all new about taking out terrorists.

But I know certain people want to portray them as innocent victims. And their members of government as war criminals. Basically the usual pro-terrorist stance.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Them that's left post-purge.

I hope that even they understand that wheels of the bus respects no one.

 

[Nithavela]

And once upon a time it would have been considered mass murder and horrific that boat loads of drugs were killing a million people in a generation. More than all the major wars in the 20th century.

Once upon a time we were tough on drugs and crime. Now more people are dying than in wars because we allowed drugs and crime to get out of hand. Its all subjective and depends on what you think is the greater wrong.

Actually once upon a time Christians and most people supported the death penalty and supported a war on evil. Understoof that sometimes evil is met with bad consequences.

Now there's an adversion to even acknowledge there is such a thing called sin. That wrong doing cannot be helped because someone has been oppressed and never had enough love. So we have to go soft on crime and wrong doing. Let people steal as they are disadvantaged, give them 20 chances before we jail them because they are misunderstood.

I think its time reality came back and part of that is there are consequences for bad behaviour and let those consequences happen and stop protecting people from them. It just makes it far worse.

No just a couple of boats and suddenly the drug trade stops and we are saving 1,00s of lives. No one dares try that again. Its easy. Rather than all this compromise and cotton wooling that just covers up the bad and lets it continue.

Otherwise whats your solution. Some diplomatic talks, yeah sure when the government has their finger in the pie. What about reeductaing the Narcos. Nah don't think thats going to work.

So your alternative is also "Kill 'em all, right?" except in this case its allowing the drugs to come in and kill and destroy another million people over the next generation.

So we have a situation where a few Narcos are killed or a few more million Americans are killed. An ethical dilemma. So lets just stick our heads in the sand and let it continue.

I actually think its a bold and brave move. But also one where you have to be ready to backup the words if its going to work. But it will work and save millions and change the course of societies future for the better if even half the drug trade would stop.

I guarentee if this was something Biden or Obama did everyone would be supporting it. But because its Trump it must be bad.

Well, there we have it. Comitting the textbook example of a war crime is "bold and brave". Extreme solutions are needed to save the lives of your people. You just have to be keep being brutal to solve the problem.

This kind of reasoning has been used to rationalise the worst atrocities of mankind. But with an army as strong as yours and the world too fractured to oppose you, perhaps this time you can kill your way to utopia.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

Well, there we have it. Comitting the textbook example of a war crime is "bold and brave". Extreme solutions are needed to save the lives of your people. You just have to be keep being brutal to solve the problem.

This kind of reasoning has been used to rationalise the worst atrocities of mankind. But with an army as strong as yours and the world too fractured to oppose you, perhaps this time you can kill your way to utopia.

According to this post you sound awfully pro-terrorist. Shame!

 

[Nithavela]

According to this post you sound awfully pro-terrorist. Shame!

If I were american, I'd be more worried, knowing that when the illegal order to kill me will come down, it will also not be refused.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Yeah I just saw a Reuters article about it that came out today. It included this video:

Of course there's nothing at all new about taking out terrorists.

But I know certain people want to portray them as innocent victims. And their members of government as war criminals. Basically the usual pro-terrorist stance.

Karoline Leavtt lies a lot to every bad thing, that Trump does wrong.. The truth is you have been lied to. And innocent people will be killed, Because of Trump

 

[stevevw]

Cool.

People accused of drug trafficking still deserve a day in court.

Which court lol. Do you mean the Venezuelan courts. Hum some how I don't think the Narcos care about courts and justice. Thats if you can catch them.

No one has bothered to bring any of these drug lords to justice and no courts will stop them. Arrest one and two replace them. The only thing they understand is an authority more powerful than they are and the threat of severe consequences if they continue.

Just like the terrorist they don't listen to reason because they are evil. There is no negociations for peace and order. Believe it or not but there is evil in the world that does not care for the way in which the west or Christian nations think.

 

[stevevw]

I mean you could look at each boat full of drugs thats going to harm and kill around 20,000 people per boat could be compared to a boat launching a missile and killing and harming 20,000 people.

They are just doing it over a longer time. But whats the difference. The drug lords know exactly that their drugs will lead to killing and destroying 1,000s of lives. At what point do we say enough and just allow the drugs to come in.

from what I understand the hits on drug boats has had an almost immediate effect and there are no boats coming in with drugs. So already 1,000s of lives saved. Surely thats a good thing.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

from what I understand the hits on drug boats has had an almost immediate effect and there are no boats coming in with drugs. So already 1,000s of lives saved. Surely thats a good thing.

Well, you understand wrong, there's still plenty of boats.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

If I were american, I'd be more worried, knowing that when the illegal order to kill me will come down, it will also not be refused.

Hopefully our future enemies won't stoop to our level

 

[Nithavela]

Hopefully our future enemies won't stoop to our level

I don't think there will be much stooping involved.

 

[Servus]

Gotta love fighting for the rights of narco terrorist drug smugglers.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

I mean you could look at each boat full of drugs thats going to harm and kill around 20,000 people per boat could be compared to a boat launching a missile and killing and harming 20,000 people.

Isn't cocaine the main drug coming from or going through Venezuela? The annual cocaine overdose deaths in the US is on the scale of 20000-30000 from memory.

How is the math mathing here?

They are just doing it over a longer time. But whats the difference. The drug lords know exactly that their drugs will lead to killing and destroying 1,000s of lives. At what point do we say enough and just allow the drugs to come in.

from what I understand the hits on drug boats has had an almost immediate effect and there are no boats coming in with drugs. So already 1,000s of lives saved. Surely thats a good thing.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Gotta love fighting for the rights of narco terrorist drug smugglers.

Gotta love fighting for the rule of law.

 

[Desk trauma]

If I were american, I'd be more worried, knowing that when the illegal order to kill me will come down, it will also not be refused.

We all must be prepared to give our lives for the drug war.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Gotta love fighting for the rights of narco terrorist drug smugglers.

Hey, why not come out here and help out?

 

[Nithavela]

We all must be prepared to give our lives for the drug war.

Y'all really should consider fleeing the country.

 

[Desk trauma]

Y'all really should consider fleeing the country.

And give up my front row seats?