‘Go to Berkeley’: Ron DeSantis said students seeking ‘woke’ classes should study elsewhere

[durangodawood]

For Berkeley
Arts & Humanities:

• The division offers more than 30 undergraduate and 27 graduate degree programs, enrolling almost 18,000 undergraduate students in courses each semester

Engineering:

• There are approximately 4,100 undergraduates in their College of Engineering courses each semester

Arts & Humanities

The Division of Arts & Humanities at UC Berkeley Are collectively, and in their parts, recognized as among the best in the country and the world. Our faculty and students are shaping discourse and society, improving our understanding of human experience, and gaining new insight into the individual

sites.google.com

Berkeley is definitely more "arts & humanities focused" than many other high profile colleges out there.

That's not to say they don't have a great engineering department. But I think their "artsy" stuff and progressive campus culture is the thing they're known for.

In the same way that OSU has perfectly respectable STEM departments, but they're known for Division 1 athletics.

Thats not a comparison to other schools.

And for your comparison look at how many are enrolled in what majors, not taking an elective. Almost everybody takes a humanities elective at any college. Who takes an engineering elective? And just generally, Berkeley is one of the most renown engineering /science schools out there.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Thats not a comparison to other schools.

And for your comparison look at how many are enrolled in what majors, not taking an elective. Almost everybody takes a humanities elective at any college. Who takes an engineering elective?

Did you take a gander at BYU's "Code of Honor" that I linked earlier?

Given those strict rules they have about what can and can't be said, shown, and done, I think we can form a pretty rock solid conclusion that they wouldn't have much in the way of a robust Arts or Humanities department there.

While getting precise enrollment numbers may be a tad tricky

We can make some inferences.
UC Berkeley offers over 150 different majors and minors, including several in the arts. The Division of Arts & Humanities provides almost 30 majors

So out of the 150 different programs (major and minors), 30 are majors in the Arts & Humanities department.

 

[durangodawood]

Did you take a gander at BYU's "Code of Honor" that I linked earlier?

Given those strict rules they have about what can and can't be said, shown, and done, I think we can form a pretty rock solid conclusion that they wouldn't have much in the way of a robust Arts or Humanities department there.

While getting precise enrollment numbers may be a tad tricky

We can make some inferences.
UC Berkeley offers over 150 different majors and minors, including several in the arts. The Division of Arts & Humanities provides almost 30 majors

So out of the 150 different programs (major and minors), 30 are majors in the Arts & Humanities department.

Wow still no actual comparison of U's to back up your imaginary comparison!

There are numbers out there for how many graduates get what degrees from various U's. Its instructive. Youll see Berkeley is not what you think it is - when you compare.

 

[BCP1928]

Did you take a gander at BYU's "Code of Honor" that I linked earlier?

Yes, and rejected it as a comparison of superficialities.

 

[keith99]

For Berkeley
Arts & Humanities:

• The division offers more than 30 undergraduate and 27 graduate degree programs, enrolling almost 18,000 undergraduate students in courses each semester

Engineering:

• There are approximately 4,100 undergraduates in their College of Engineering courses each semester

Arts & Humanities

The Division of Arts & Humanities at UC Berkeley Are collectively, and in their parts, recognized as among the best in the country and the world. Our faculty and students are shaping discourse and society, improving our understanding of human experience, and gaining new insight into the individual

sites.google.com

Berkeley is definitely more "arts & humanities focused" than many other high profile colleges out there.

That's not to say they don't have a great engineering department. But I think their "artsy" stuff and progressive campus culture is the thing they're known for.

In the same way that OSU has perfectly respectable STEM departments, but they're known for Division 1 athletics.

Which OSU?

Only one of the several OSUs actually has more NCAA national championships than Berkeley.

The school with the most? Stanford, whose image makes Berkeley seem boringly conservative.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Which OSU?

Only one of the several OSUs actually has more NCAA national championships than Berkeley.

The school with the most? Stanford, whose image makes Berkeley seem boringly conservative.

I was referring to Ohio State University.

 

[durangodawood]

.....
That's not to say they don't have a great engineering department. But I think their "artsy" stuff and progressive campus culture is the thing they're known for.

In the same way that OSU has perfectly respectable STEM departments, but they're known for Division 1 athletics.

How did I miss this part.

Cal actually has some of the very best STEM programs in the whole country. Across the board. It is widely known for those - unless your only source of knowledge in this world is recent culture wars axe grinders. Between faculty and alums, the list of Nobel prize winners is ridiculous.

For sure Berkeley (town and U) has a certain radical subculture. But the other 90+% is just doing normal college stuff at a high level.

 

[iluvatar5150]

How did I miss this part.

Cal actually has some of the very best STEM programs in the whole country. Across the board. It is widely known for those - unless your only source of knowledge in this world is recent culture wars axe grinders. Between faculty and alums, the list of Nobel prize winners is ridiculous.

For sure Berkeley (town and U) has a certain radical subculture. But the other 90+% is just doing normal college stuff at a high level.

I missed it, too. Berkeley not being really known for their engineering dept is... wow. It's a big part of why the Bay Area is such a huge tech hub.

 

[BCP1928]

How did I miss this part.

Cal actually has some of the very best STEM programs in the whole country. Across the board. It is widely known for those - unless your only source of knowledge in this world is recent culture wars axe grinders. Between faculty and alums, the list of Nobel prize winners is ridiculous.

For sure Berkeley (town and U) has a certain radical subculture. But the other 90+% is just doing normal college stuff at a high level.

It has always been that way. Marxist professors and all. I was there in the '60s, not at Cal, but another college nearby, took some courses there, and the whole time most of the students in Berkely were buckled down to the business of just getting degrees. I think that's true of all the universities that Trump accuses of woke activism. How many students of, say, Harvard Business School are really under the thumb of CRT? Or even Harvard Law where it originated?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

For sure Berkeley (town and U) has a certain radical subculture. But the other 90+% is just doing normal college stuff at a high level.

I think that's true of all the universities that Trump accuses of woke activism.

Is a little bit of that possibly their own fault for not reigning in their more radical portions of the student body just a little bit?

There have been a couple different high profile incidents involving protesting (some of which escalated past normal protesting) in order to get certain speakers cancelled and disinvited from booked events.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/living/bill-maher-commencement-speaker/index.html

Milo Yiannopoulos event canceled after violence erupts - Berkeley News

Safety concerns stop performance by Milo Yiannopoulos, guest of Berkeley College Republicans

news.berkeley.edu

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/04/26/ann-coulter-speech-canceled-at-uc-berkeley-amid-fears-for-safety/

Ben Shapiro spoke at Berkeley as protesters gathered outside

As conservative radio host Ben Shapiro spoke at the University of California Berkeley, protesters swarmed outside chanting various slogans.

www.wral.com

If Berkeley doesn't want to be "unfairly labelled" as the "woke school"...

Perhaps things like "Disinviting Bill Maher, because he said something mean about Islam on HBO", and "riots with a $100k worth of damage and banned weapons being brought on campus by protestors because Milo was invited to speak", and "phoning in bomb threats to prevent Ann Coulter from speaking", and "Ben Shapiro needing to be protected by 300 cops just to get him to the venue because protestors were trying to block it" is the sort of thing they'd want to curtail a bit.


When you boil that down, it's basically like saying:

"We're not woke, we just have a large subset of people who throw temper tantrums, light stuff on fire, and phone in bomb threats when the college republican group on our campus invites people to speak who we feel triggered by"

And that "bad look" is made even worse when, for a few of those, faculty actually participated in the protesting outside the venues.

The professors should've been the first ones volunteering to go up to mic to take on Shapiro head-on during the hour long "open mic" portion of his events, not screeching out in the parking lot with some of the students.

PR is 90% of the game with regards to perception.


Berkeley objecting to being labelled as "a woke school" is sorta like the Buffalo hat guy from J6 objecting to be labelled as "a wacky conspiracy theorist".

 

[BCP1928]

Is a little bit of that possibly their own fault for not reigning in their more radical portions of the student body just a little bit?

Yes, violence and vandalism are right out. The ideas themselves remain, as they should.

There have been a couple different high profile incidents involving protesting (some of which escalated past normal protesting) in order to get certain speakers cancelled and disinvited from booked events.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/living/bill-maher-commencement-speaker/index.html

Milo Yiannopoulos event canceled after violence erupts - Berkeley News

Safety concerns stop performance by Milo Yiannopoulos, guest of Berkeley College Republicans

news.berkeley.edu

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/04/26/ann-coulter-speech-canceled-at-uc-berkeley-amid-fears-for-safety/

Ben Shapiro spoke at Berkeley as protesters gathered outside

As conservative radio host Ben Shapiro spoke at the University of California Berkeley, protesters swarmed outside chanting various slogans.

www.wral.com

If Berkeley doesn't want to be "unfairly labelled" as the "woke school"...

Perhaps things like "Disinviting Bill Maher, because he said something mean about Islam on HBO", and "riots with a $100k worth of damage and banned weapons being brought on campus by protestors because Milo was invited to speak", and "phoning in bomb threats to prevent Ann Coulter from speaking", and "Ben Shapiro needing to be protected by 300 cops just to get him to the venue because protestors were trying to block it" is the sort of thing they'd want to curtail a bit.


When you boil that down, it's basically like saying:

"We're not woke, we just have a large subset of people who throw temper tantrums, light stuff on fire, and phone in bomb threats when the college republican group on our campus invites people to speak who we feel triggered by"

And that "bad look" is made even worse when, for a few of those, faculty actually participated in the protesting outside the venues.

The professors should've been the first ones volunteering to go up to mic to take on Shapiro head-on during the hour long "open mic" portion of his events, not screeching out in the parking lot with some of the students.

PR is 90% of the game with regards to perception.

 

[keith99]

I was referring to Ohio State University.

Sorry, that OSU has 11 fewer national championships than Cal.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Sorry, that OSU has 11 fewer national championships than Cal.

I wasn't necessarily looking to do a trophy comparison, although for the recent years, OSU has made a decent showing in football

(and have made it to the Final Four in NCAA mens basketball 11 times, and made the sweet sixteen 27 times)

I was more referring to what a university is "known for"

Despite having decent law, medical, and science programs, OSU is known for their athletic programs and being a respected Division 1 sporting school more than any of their other academic programs.