Progressive government is the antithesis of a biblically based republic.

[another_lost_guy]

I am. Where do you think I've been discussing pseudoscience with the likes of Mr. Steve?

There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

That is not true. Why do you lie? How am I lying. What is untrue in what I said. Read the full sentence you quoted. How is that not making out he is an amateur when it comes to the marks on stone. What is the difference in knowing the strirations and marks on vases to the marks on other...

www.christianforums.com

On a Christian forum which proves my point

I don't try to look in to the minds of killers who commit mass shootings.

Then why even ask if people are being killed for believing in God or not if this answer was going to be your endgame all along? Total red herring and moot point.

A large number of them seem driven by narcessism

NarcIssism. Learn to spell. 2 can play at that game

and doing one up on the prior mass killers. Some times there targets are from personal connections of some kind (their old school, etc.) others not. When some loser shoots up a mosque or synagogue is it because the people inside believe in God, or because the shooter hates Muslims or Jews. Who can tell?

Again, you asked a question you weren't willing to hear the answer to and when I gave the answer you walked it back to suit your narrative because there is no win or lose condition in this. If people were being killed for believing in God you say who knows what the actual motivation is and if people aren't being killed for believing in God you say welp looks like I'm right.

Also, you're being pseudoscientific and hypocritical again by believing the universe revolves around America and ignoring the half billion Christians being explicitly persecuted for being Christian such as the Kasanga massacre that happened this year in the Congo.

What? There are are *way* more than 1/2 Billion Chritian outside the US.

ChriStian. See how annoying that is? I'll stop if you stop. I know there's more than a half billion Christians. The half billion are just the ones living under governments that persecute them. Which you refuse to engage with because your pride doesn't allow you to concede a single point of any argument, regardless of topic

Something like 90% of Christians are not Americans. "Ignoring" non-Americans doesn't have anything to do with science.

You acted like they didn't exist earlier by ignoring them and they do exist according to science

So?

I thought you'd care about black people but it's just an assumption

 

[Hans Blaster]

On a Christian forum which proves my point

It's just a site with some pseudo science going on it. I don't care about the other ideology.

Then why even ask if people are being killed for believing in God or not if this answer was going to be your endgame all along? Total red herring and moot point.

End game? I dont 'have an "endgame".

NarcIssism. Learn to spell. 2 can play at that game



Again, you asked a question you weren't willing to hear the answer to and when I gave the answer you walked it back to suit your narrative because there is no win or lose condition in this. If people were being killed for believing in God you say who knows what the actual motivation is and if people aren't being killed for believing in God you say welp looks like I'm right.

The examples given are from mass killers/shooters whose motivations are quite muddled.

Also, you're being pseudoscientific and hypocritical again by believing the universe revolves around America

you don't seem to know what pseudoscience is (and the Unvierse isn't rotating).

and ignoring the half billion Christians being explicitly persecuted for being Christian such as the Kasanga massacre that happened this year in the Congo.

Never heard of that one. The problem might be that I only realized this was "general poltics" and I usually participate in the "US politics" section. Not sure how I ended up in this thread. The earlier posts were filled with US politics references (and Mr. Steve frequently confuses himself with an American when discussing politics.)

ChriStian.

My key board needs replcing (see it dropped the "a")

See how annoying that is? I'll stop if you stop. I know there's more than a half billion Christians. The half billion are just the ones living under governments that persecute them. Which you refuse to engage with because your pride doesn't allow you to concede a single point of any argument, regardless of topic

I was discussing American politics where that is a distraction.

You acted like they didn't exist earlier by ignoring them and they do exist according to science

That's not what science is.

I thought you'd care about black people but it's just an assumption

Why would that be a special province of "progressives" ? (and as a noob, you don't know my politics anyway.)

 

[Hans Blaster]

As a democrat you should know more than anyone that it is possible to aggress against a person without necessarily thinking about that person. In fact the lack of caring itself can be seen as an act of aggression. Complaining about that kind of thing is the democrats' bread and butter

I've only been a Democrat for a few months (and kind of forgot I'd even marked that). I haven't even been to a meeting yet, so I haven't adopted their habits yet. (or frankly care to)

 

[another_lost_guy]

It's just a site with some pseudo science going on it. I don't care about the other ideology.

Pseudo science that you yourself push by acting as if America is the only country that exists

End game? I dont 'have an "endgame".

You asked "Who are these men killed for their belief in your god". Shouldn't your endgame be to find out who the men are? But obviously it isn't, because once I gave you examples of the men killed, you claimed it was impossible to know whether someone can be killed for belief in God or not, meaning there was no lose condition for you to begin with. You are a bad faith actor and really should be banned for wasting everyone's time here

The examples given are from mass killers/shooters whose motivations are quite muddled.

As shown by my previous reply there'd be no amount of motivation or evidence satisfactory to you anyway because you aren't actually open to changing your mind on anything

you don't seem to know what pseudoscience is (and the Unvierse isn't rotating).

I know it doesn't but you act as if it does because you ignore every other country besides America

Never heard of that one. The problem might be that I only realized this was "general poltics" and I usually participate in the "US politics" section. Not sure how I ended up in this thread. The earlier posts were filled with US politics references (and Mr. Steve frequently confuses himself with an American when discussing politics.)

You should probably leave the guy alone

My key board needs replcing (see it dropped the "a")

I was discussing American politics where that is a distraction.

Seem to have no problem using 'a' now.

That's not what science is.

I claimed science says black people exist. Are you disagreeing?

Why would that be a special province of "progressives" ? (and as a noob, you don't know my politics anyway.)

Progressives bend over backwards to serve minorities that are actually majorities globally

 

[Hans Blaster]

Pseudo science that you yourself push by acting as if America is the only country that exists

The existence of other countries or not is not a matter of science or pseudoscience. You should stop using that those terms as you aren't using them correctly.

You asked "Who are these men killed for their belief in your god". Shouldn't your endgame be to find out who the men are? But obviously it isn't, because once I gave you examples of the men killed, you claimed it was impossible to know whether someone can be killed for belief in God or not, meaning there was no lose condition for you to begin with. You are a bad faith actor and really should be banned for wasting everyone's time here

And Steve answered, and the answer was "Charlie Kirk". As I posted earlier, it is a dubious notion that he was "killed for believing in God".

As shown by my previous reply there'd be no amount of motivation or evidence satisfactory to you anyway because you aren't actually open to changing your mind on anything

You are rather quick to evaluate things (and people) you don't know. You've been on this board for a couple weeks. have a little humility.

I know it doesn't but you act as if it does because you ignore every other country besides America

I already explained this.

You should probably leave the guy alone

I've made that suggestion to him, but he keeps writing longer and longer replies.

Seem to have no problem using 'a' now.

I didn't say it had completely failed.

I claimed science says black people exist. Are you disagreeing?

That isn't a determination of science. Do you know what science actually is?

Progressives bend over backwards to serve minorities that are actually majorities globally

What makes you think I am a "progressive"? Did I say I was?

 

[Tom8907]

All those verses in the NT and Gospels about petitioning the government.....

 

[BCP1928]

Lol you must have been on Mars. The Sexual and womens liberation movements. That went into the Critical theories that permated the society and the insitutions.

Its no coincident that from this came easy divorce, the undermining of mariage and the family and all the lies feminism and other theories and ideologies have spread that have destroyed society.

Thats a blanatnt lie lol. That a man can be killed for belief in his God in todays society is testiment that people do care enough to actually cancel them forever. Then double down and spew out further hate for anyone else who agrees with such beliefs.

If they don't care about our God then why are they so triggered by Him and Christian beliefs. Why has there been blanatnt bias and even targeting of Christians from the State. This has now been proven that there was lawfare and bias.

In fact you hear many people spewing out hate for Christians and conservatves. You may not care but please don't be the spokemen for others.

PS by the way, Are you following me lol. It seems you pop up commenting on all my posts lol. I don't mind but it feels like your following me lol. Or are very concerned about my postings. Maybe you care more than you realise.

So it's about sex. But you are right. If women get to decide for themselves who to go to bed with and when some men might not get any. Boo Hoo.

 

[another_lost_guy]

The existence of other countries or not is not a matter of science or pseudoscience. You should stop using that those terms as you aren't using them correctly.

No but the idea that the universe centers around one country is.

And Steve answered, and the answer was "Charlie Kirk". As I posted earlier, it is a dubious notion that he was "killed for believing in God".

And I answered too, and you eventually revealed that you were never actually open to discussion by saying it was impossible to truly know someone else's motive

You are rather quick to evaluate things (and people) you don't know. You've been on this board for a couple weeks. have a little humility.

I've been given no evidence to the contrary on any of my claims

I already explained this.

Not at all.

I've made that suggestion to him, but he keeps writing longer and longer replies.

It's his thread. You seemingly follow this guy around wherever he goes.

I didn't say it had completely failed.

Never said you did.

That isn't a determination of science. Do you know what science actually is?

Yes, I understand what science is. Some of science's branches include anthropology, genetics, and sociology. For example, higher melanin production and hair phenotypes are all measurable factors in determining someone's race.

What makes you think I am a "progressive"? Did I say I was?

You certainly argue like one.

I'm tired of individually debunking each of your claims though because every time you get something factually wrong like denying the existence of the sexual revolution or the persecution of Christians outside of America you just flat out ignore it instead of conceding

 

[another_lost_guy]

So it's about sex. But you are right. If women get to decide for themselves who to go to bed with and when some men might not get any. Boo Hoo.

Actually, yes, boo hoo. If people slept with whoever they wanted to, adultery would run rampant, children would be born into broken homes, and STDs would go out of control. Which actually ended up happening, following the sexual revolution. The only solution to this is abstinence until marriage. Enforced legally.

 

[Hans Blaster]

No but the idea that the universe centers around one country is.

That isn't science, it is delusion, and I dont' think even the world centers on my country. I, personally, am mostly interested in the current events and politics of my own country as it takes too much time to track everything everywhere. I have also some lesser focused interests in a few other countries, but Christians are oppressed in any of those either.

And I answered too, and you eventually revealed that you were never actually open to discussion by saying it was impossible to truly know someone else's motive

Mass shooters have particularly disordered minds and their "manifestos" (when written and available) are messy jumbles of things from which it is difficult to find any organizing principle or motive.

My original inquiry arose from Steve's claim that Christians were being murdered *for believing* and when I asked him to give an example, he did -- Charlie Kirk. (Steve is usually good about answering such inquiries, which is part of why I engage him in conversation.) I already stated my disagreement with the assessment that Kirk was killed for *his belief in God*, rather than for other things. You could engage with that disagreement if you like, instead you inject school shootings, most of which are perpetrated by current or former students.

I've been given no evidence to the contrary on any of my claims


Not at all.

Sure I did. I mistook this as a thread in American politics where I often post. I was not dissuaded from that notion as all posts above mine were full of references to US history and politics. [If you see the "path" at the top of the page you can use that to navigate the site. Clicking on the "Politics" will take you to the page containing all of the politics sub-fora (including this one and the US politics one). In the entry for each forum there is on the right side a link for the latest post in each forum. If you go up one more level you will see a single entry of all of politics (next to other links to the science forum, the current events forum, etc.) and the same entry for the most recent post in all of the politics section. I likely saw this thread there and clicked on it out of curiosity not realizing it was post to "general politics" rather than "US politics". It is the same way I end up in threads started by people on my "ignore list".

It's his thread. You seemingly follow this guy around wherever he goes.

I read nearly all threads in P&LS and reply to many of them.

Never said you did.



Yes, I understand what science is. Some of science's branches include anthropology, genetics, and sociology. For example, higher melanin production and hair phenotypes are all measurable factors in determining someone's race.

And if you knew anything about the subject you would know that there is no such thing as a biological race in humans. It is all social construct.

You certainly argue like one.

And you are but a youth. They key is to argue the points, not the man, or your perceptions of him based on a few simplistic labels.

I'm tired of individually debunking each of your claims though because every time you get something factually wrong like denying the existence of the sexual revolution or the persecution of Christians outside of America you just flat out ignore it instead of conceding

I mock the notion that the "sexual revolution" is an actual revolution. No governments were overthrown. It was a social movement.

As I've written a few times, I was never discussing persecution of Christians outside the US. I am well aware that Islamic countries exist. I have been steady in limiting my discussion to the US (or more broadly "the West") where the notion of "Christian persecution" is laughable.

 

[BCP1928]

Actually, yes, boo hoo. If people slept with whoever they wanted to, adultery would run rampant, children would be born into broken homes, and STDs would go out of control. Which actually ended up happening, following the sexual revolution. The only solution to this is abstinence until marriage. Enforced legally.

Most people want to have a continuing relationship with a loving partner and dislike the idea of cheating on that relationship. They want to form a household and raise children. They have been doing that all over the world for as long as there have been humans. The details vary from culture to culture but the basic principle is observed everywhere and will continue to be observed whether it is enforced legally or not.

But my point really was that women get to decide for themselves who they won't go to bed with and when.

 

[stevevw]

So it's about sex. But you are right. If women get to decide for themselves who to go to bed with and when some men might not get any. Boo Hoo.

Lol I think you said something similar before about it all being about sex. I am pretty sure the womens movement was much more than sex. In fact it was gender and not sex. The civil rights revolution was about race. The culture wars are now about identities of all sorts. Its much more than sex.

The breakdown of the family is not just about sex. Though sex is a big part and thats just a natural and core aspect of being human. If sex is part of marriage and relationships and thats part of the family.

But if progressive ideas around sex which relate to marriage and the family contribute to the break down of society and poor outcomes for every one. Then yes the progressive beliefs and ideas around sex have destroyed society.

The point is while you macke a mockery and conflation that its all about men missing out on sex. Which only makes my point that sex itself is what has been perverted and reimagined within the Godless ideologies where men and women are the gods of sex. This is the very problem that is destroying society.

The lies that women or men are the gods of their own bodies and over when and where and who they can have sex. This leads to many, many further pproblems and we are seeing the end results of a few decades now of progressive counter culture. And its not a pretty picture. The ideas of freedom and happiness and liberation have turned out to be lonliness, depression, anxiety and dispair.

 

[BCP1928]

Lol I think you said something similar before about it all being about sex. I am pretty sure the womens movement was much more than sex. In fact it was gender and not sex. The civil rights revolution was about race. The culture wars are now about identities of all sorts. Its much more than sex.

You're right. It was about the autonomy of women in general. But the "culture" was always about identities. The question is who is going to impose them.

The breakdown of the family is not just about sex. Though sex is a big part and thats just a natural and core aspect of being human. If sex is part of marriage and relationships and thats part of the family.

But if progressive ideas around sex which relate to marriage and the family contribute to the break down of society and poor outcomes for every one. Then yes the progressive beliefs and ideas around sex have destroyed society.

The point is while you macke a mockery and conflation that its all about men missing out on sex. Which only makes my point that sex itself is what has been perverted and reimagined within the Godless ideologies where men and women are the gods of sex. This is the very problem that is destroying society.

The lies that women or men are the gods of their own bodies and over when and where and who they can have sex. This leads to many, many further pproblems and we are seeing the end results of a few decades now of progressive counter culture. And its not a pretty picture. The ideas of freedom and happiness and liberation have turned out to be lonliness, depression, anxiety and dispair.

Yes, and on the other hand it is Christians who insist that men are gods not only of their own bodies but of women's bodies, too.

 

[stevevw]

You're right. It was about the autonomy of women in general.

Yes but human autonomy is the antithesis of Christianity. Christianity is about sacrificing self. The idea of autonomy played out in world ideas about what is right and good may allow anti Christian ideas like abortion. A womens right to autonomy means the right to abortion. Cerain worldview beliefs will lead to certain social and moral consequences.

But the "culture" was always about identities. The question is who is going to impose them.

I disagree culture was always about identities. It is in Individualistic cultures. But collect cultures which are usually the Indigenous or cultural natives to the land and having a spiritual connection place more importance of the collective than the individual.

But there is also a traditional leadership setup where elders are respected. This has been the predominant way for most of history I think up until modern times.

I guess whoever gets to be in power and whoever manages to occupy positions of influence will dictate and impose their will. Or the will of lobby groups or affiliated groups that manage to garner influence. Or those who make the most noise on social media or through protest.

Thats why we are seeing a lot of proests and political actions such as blocking city streets and cancelling people. Usually when there is no clear united belief then its a matter of might makes right.

Thats why we are now seeing the policies and laws change so radically when the Left or Right get in. They undo each others policies because they are so radically different now.

Yes, and on the other hand it is Christinas who insist that men are God's not only of their own bodies but of women's bodies, too.

Why do you make it all about men. This is surely cultivating the very identity based politics obsessing over everything being about gender, sex and race.

Saying Christians insist that men are Gods of their own and womens bodies is a gross misrepresentation. How can a Christian man make himself God over his own body. Its an obvious and blantant contradiction to being a Christian. Which is that Christ is God over our bodies. Its more or less saying Christians believe in pagan ideas.

I am simply saying that progressive ideas and beliefs have caused a lot of damage to society. To marriage, relationships and the family and society as a whole. I am not targeting gender or sex or race. Just that the progressive ideology itself is damaging to society.

Compared to Christianity based on the bible. Not your reimagining or Christianity. Or a politicised version of it.

 

[BCP1928]

Yes but human autonomy is the antithesis of Christianity. Christianity is about sacrificing self. The idea of autonomy played out in world ideas about what is right and good may allow anti Christian ideas like abortion. A womens right to autonomy means the right to abortion. Cerain worldview beliefs will lead to certain social and moral consequences.

Your message is clear: Women can't be trusted with moral autonomy. Woman's autonomy does not mean a right to an abortion, it means a right to make a moral decision for herself.

I disagree culture was always about identities. It is in Individualistic cultures. But collect cultures which are usually the Indigenous or cultural natives to the land and having a spiritual connection place more importance of the collective than the individual.

So it's OK if the "collect culture" imposes identities but not if people choose them for themselves. OK, but in this case you don't speak for the "collect culture" anyway.

But there is also a traditional leadership setup where elders are respected. This has been the predominant way for most of history I think up until modern times.

I guess whoever gets to be in power and whoever manages to occupy positions of influence will dictate and impose their will. Or the will of lobby groups or affiliated groups that manage to garner influence. Or those who make the most noise on social media or through protest.

Thats why we are seeing a lot of proests and political actions such as blocking city streets and cancelling people. Usually when there is no clear united belief then its a matter of might makes right.

Thats why we are now seeing the policies and laws change so radically when the Left or Right get in. They undo each others policies because they are so radically different now.

Why do you make it all about men. This is surely cultivating the very identity based politics obsessing over everything being about gender, sex and race.

Because that's where Christians are bearing down.

Saying Christians insist that men are Gods of their own and womens bodies is a gross misrepresentation. How can a Christian man make himself God over his own body. Its an obvious and blantant contradiction to being a Christian. Which is that Christ is God over our bodies. Its more or less saying Christians believe in pagan ideas.

I am simply saying that progressive ideas and beliefs have caused a lot of damage to society. To marriage, relationships and the family and society as a whole. I am not targeting gender or sex or race. Just that the progressive ideology itself is damaging to society.

Compared to Christianity based on the bible. Not your reimagining or Christianity. Or a politicised version of it.

Sorry, Steve, your moral credibility is dead in the water, just like the men who were machined gunned in the water after their boat was blown up while Christians cheered.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes but human autonomy is the antithesis of Christianity. Christianity is about sacrificing self.

And here I thought it was about Jesus sacrificing his self.

 

[NxNW]

Actually, yes, boo hoo. If people slept with whoever they wanted to, adultery would run rampant, children would be born into broken homes, and STDs would go out of control. Which actually ended up happening, following the sexual revolution. The only solution to this is abstinence until marriage. Enforced legally.

Sounds like you want a theocracy.