Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

[SabbathBlessings]

I don't believe God desired animal sacrifices, and the Feasts of the Lord were not about the Blood of animals, in my view.

I understand that may be your view, but what I care about is what does the Scriptures state, are the feasts days about animal sacrifices. I am not sure if we are reading the same Bible but the annual feast days were all about animal sacrifices and atonement. So I going to ask you again, why would God kill innocent sheep and goats before there was sin, just for fun? I do not believe this was the case and why these feast days all came after sin, not before. Why would one need atonement with the blood of animals if there was no sin.

These feasts of the Lord were all about the blood of animals at least if we are going to go by what the Scripture states

Passover:
Exo 12:1 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 “This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. 3 Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: ‘On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. 4 And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man’s need you shall make your count for the lamb. 5 Your lamb shall be without[a] blemish, a male [b]of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. 6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. 7 And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it

Feast of Unleavened Bread

Numbers 28:17 And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. 18 On the first day you shall have a holy [a]convocation. You shall do no [b]customary work. 19 And you shall present an offering made by fire as a burnt offering to the Lord: two young bulls, one ram, and seven lambs in their first year. Be sure they are without blemish. 20 Their grain offering shall be of fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah you shall offer for a bull, and two-tenths for a ram; 21 you shall offer one-tenth of an ephah for each of the seven lambs; 22 also one goat as a sin offering, to make [c]atonement for you. 23 You shall offer these besides the burnt offering of the morning, which is for a regular burnt offering. 24 In this manner you shall offer the food of the offering made by fire daily for seven days, as a sweet aroma to the Lord; it shall be offered besides the regular burnt offering and its drink offering. 25 And on the seventh day you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work.

Feast of Weeks / Pentecost
Num 28:26 ‘Also on the day of the first fruits, when you bring a new grain offering to the Lord at your Feast of Weeks, you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work. 27 You shall present a burnt offering as a sweet aroma to the Lord: two young bulls, one ram, and seven lambs in their first year, 28 with their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for each bull, two-tenths for the one ram, 29 and one-tenth for each of the seven lambs; 30 also one kid of the goats, to make [a]atonement for you. 31 Be sure they are without [b]blemish. You shall present them with their drink offerings, besides the regular burnt offering with its grain offering.

Feast of Trumpets
Num 29:1‘And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work. For you it is a day of blowing the trumpets. 2 You shall offer a burnt offering as a sweet aroma to the Lord: one young bull, one ram, and seven lambs in their first year, without blemish. 3 Their grain offering shall be fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for the bull, two-tenths for the ram, 4 and one-tenth for each of the seven lambs; 5 also one kid of the goats as a sin offering, to make atonement for you; 6 besides the burnt offering with its grain offering for the New Moon, the regular burnt offering with its grain offering, and their drink offerings, according to their ordinance, as a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the Lord.

Day of Atonement

Num 29:7 ‘On the tenth day of this seventh month you shall have a holy convocation. You shall afflict your souls; you shall not do any work. 8 You shall present a burnt offering to the Lord as a sweet aroma: one young bull, one ram, and seven lambs in their first year. Be sure they are without blemish. 9 Their grain offering shall be of fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for the bull, two-tenths for the one ram, 10 and one-tenth for each of the seven lambs; 11 also one kid of the goats as a sin offering, besides the sin offering for atonement, the regular burnt offering with its grain offering, and their drink offerings.

Feast of Tabernacles

Num 29:12 ‘On the fifteenth day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work, and you shall keep a feast to the Lord seven days. 13 You shall present a burnt offering, an offering made by fire as a sweet aroma to the Lord: thirteen young bulls, two rams, and fourteen lambs in their first year. They shall be without blemish. 14 Their grain offering shall be of fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for each of the thirteen bulls, two-tenths for each of the two rams, 15 and one-tenth for each of the fourteen lambs; 16 also one kid of the goats as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering.

17 ‘On the second day present twelve young bulls, two rams, fourteen lambs in their first year without blemish, 18 and their grain offering and their drink offerings for the bulls, for the rams, and for the lambs, by their number, according to the ordinance; 19 also one kid of the goats as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering with its grain offering, and their drink offerings.

20 ‘On the third day present eleven bulls, two rams, fourteen lambs in their first year without blemish, 21 and their grain offering and their drink offerings for the bulls, for the rams, and for the lambs, by their number, according to the ordinance; 22 also one goat as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering.

23 ‘On the fourth day present ten bulls, two rams, and fourteen lambs in their first year, without blemish, 24 and their grain offering and their drink offerings for the bulls, for the rams, and for the lambs, by their number, according to the ordinance; 25 also one kid of the goats as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering.

26 ‘On the fifth day present nine bulls, two rams, and fourteen lambs in their first year without blemish, 27 and their grain offering and their drink offerings for the bulls, for the rams, and for the lambs, by their number, according to the ordinance; 28 also one goat as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering.

29 ‘On the sixth day present eight bulls, two rams, and fourteen lambs in their first year without blemish, 30 and their grain offering and their drink offerings for the bulls, for the rams, and for the lambs, by their number, according to the ordinance; 31 also one goat as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering.

32 ‘On the seventh day present seven bulls, two rams, and fourteen lambs in their first year without blemish, 33 and their grain offering and their drink offerings for the bulls, for the rams, and for the lambs, by their number, according to the ordinance; 34 also one goat as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering.

35 ‘On the eighth day you shall have a sacred[a] assembly. You shall do no customary work. 36 You shall present a burnt offering, an offering made by fire as a sweet aroma to the Lord: one bull, one ram, seven lambs in their first year without blemish, 37 and their grain offering and their drink offerings for the bull, for the ram, and for the lambs, by their number, according to the ordinance; 38 also one goat as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering.

39 ‘These you shall present to the Lord at your appointed feasts (besides your vowed offerings and your freewill offerings) as your burnt offerings and your grain offerings, as your drink offerings and your peace offerings.’ ”

I pointed out to you, Paul's teaching which clearly shows you that Abraham, or those before him, was not under the Levitical Priesthood "Animal Sacrifices for sins", as this Priesthood Covenant wasn't "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham, which the very NAME of the temporary Priesthood proves since Levi was not even born until centuries after Abraham was dead and buried. This is undisputed Biblical Fact. You are free to dispute it, ignore it, whatever, I was only pointing it out.

I also pointed out to you both Abraham's words, and Jesus' Words which show me that Abraham knew of the Christ, and His Purpose. I think Jesus telling me Abraham "Saw His Day" meant that Abraham understood that HE would be the Lamb that God provides who would offer His Life for Abraham's sins. Abel, Noah and Abraham all gave free will offerings to God that God accepted. If you were interested in seeking Biblical Truth, you would study to understand why.

Interesting you say this when you won't even admit what you said about who wrote the Ten Commandments. But if we are going to go by the Bible, Abraham sacrificed animals according to Scriptures.

He built an alter to the Lord Gen12:7-8

Gen 15:9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. 11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.

Abraham sacrificed a Ram in place of Isaac Gen22:13

Just like circumcision was given to Abraham- Jesus Himself referred to it as the law of Moses John7:23 (what was outside the ark of the covenant) as did Paul Acts 15:1. Jesus referred to the Ten Commandments as the commandments of God Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13

Just like the Ten Commandments was officially written at Mt Sinai we see that they were already in existence much sooner Exo20:11 Exo 16:26-28 Rom4:15

Of course your post is foolishness. The Feasts of the Lord were never about the blood of animals. They were always shadows of things yet to come.

Until you read the Scriptures. I will agree they were shadows until the Seed- God did away with all animal sacrifices Heb10:1-17 which would include the feasts days because killing animals is saying the blood of Jesus was not enough to cover our sins, why they all pointed to Him and came after the fall, not before.

And Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread were given to Israel before the Levitical Priesthood, before the 10 Commandments, and before the Sabbath.

We must be reading different Bibles because there is no record of animal sacrifices and feasts days before the fall. The Sabbath very much was part of Creation and part of God's perfect plan before sin Exo20:11

You keep saying God does things for a reason. And you preach that the Sabbath has "more value" to God because it is part of the 10 Commandments, or it was enumerated at creation. But you don't want to talk about the Christ's Passover, slain from the foundation of the world.

The Sabbath was part of Creation where there was no sin in God's perfect plan, there would be no Passover had there not been for sin.

I addressed it specifically, I asked you 3 questions but you refused to answer them. I posted the exact scriptures of this event for your review and discussion but you didn't even acknowledge them.

The first question sadly, you replaced Moses for God and have yet to acknowledge this. I see we can't reason together if we do not allow the Scriptures to define itself. I wish you well.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sabbath blessings, your arguments from scripture would have more weight if I were arguing for the abolishment of the Sabbath. That is not true. I say with the Apostles and New Testament scripture that the Sabbath has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus

Do you have any apostolic teaching where they tell us we must continue to keep the Jewish sabbath? If not, then you are speaking of your own inference on the scriptures.
Should we obey Apostles or the inferences of those that claim to be Apostles?

I have read the book From Sabbath to Sunday that was recommended to me by Bob Ryan.
In it, I find no concrete Apostolic teaching that uses Scripture as you do. There are plenty of negative critiques of Iraneus, Justin Martyr and other first and second century Church fathers, but no Apostle can be recorded claiming Christians must worship on the Sabbath


Do you know of or have any such teaching?

The council of Jerusalem in the book of Acts does not even mention the Sabbath. To you, it is the implied, but the Apostles and early Church Fathers contradict that assessment. Why is that?

I have presented my arguments with Scripture, you have presented your arguments with your own words. Again Jesus never fulfilled the Sabbath so we can profane it, just like He didn't fulfil the other 9 commandments so we can stay in our sins where there remains no more sacrifice Hen10:26-30 Why He told us not to break the least of these commandments or teach others to, and in doing so comes with a pretty serious warning in my view Mat5:19-30

There is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. People use this to try to lower what the Sabbath is really about- God's holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord. Isa58:13 made for man, the word Jesus used means mankind in Greek and Adam in Hebrew. mat2:27 that started at Creation thus saith the Lord Exo20:11 when there was not Jew or Israel just man and God.

I do not need to prove the Sabbath is a commandment of God, because God said so and I have provided a plethora of Scripture. You would need to prove where God said we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment and where He transferred the power that comes with the Sabbath- His sanctification and blessings from the Sabbath, to the first day. God already spoke on this matter, He wrote it Himself, if we can't believe God's own Testimony Exo31:18 and said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19, what I say will not mean anything.

Take care.

 

[Studyman]

I understand that may be your view, but what I care about is what does the Scriptures state, are the feasts days about animal sacrifices. I am not sure if we are reading the same Bible but the annual feast days were all about animal sacrifices and atonement.
So I going to ask you again, why would God kill innocent sheep and goats before there was sin, just for fun?

I never said, nor does the Bible say, that God killed innocent sheep and goats "before there was sin".

It is my understanding of Scripture, not just a verse here or there, but "ALL" Scriptures, that God desires obedience, respect, honor towards HIM, which is only a reasonable expectation given our very existence is 100% founded in His Mercy and Love to create us in the first place.

I will ask you a question whose answer is necessary before an honest discussion of Scriptures between us can conclude. I answered your question, there is no atonement or Blood (The life of a being) needed, when there is no transgression.

So here is a question for you, and we will see if you will answer.

"In your understanding, Did God know Adam and Eve would sin when HE placed them in the garden"?

We will see if you are really interested in real fellowship and discussion of Scriptures.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I never said, nor does the Bible say, that God killed innocent sheep and goats "before there was sin".

That's strange, previously you indicated the feasts days started at Creation and as we can see from Scripture, which sadly you did not acknowledge when you said they didn't have to do with the blood of animals when they did. So if they started at Creation, than animals were killed before sin, for no reason.

So back to my original point, there would be no feast days had it not been for sin, therefore God did not treat them the same as the weekly Sabbath that did start at Creation Exo 20:11 according to God's perfect plan before sin. So its not "me" judging God's laws, He made this determination, not me.

It is my understanding of Scripture, not just a verse here or there, but "ALL" Scriptures, that God desires obedience, respect, honor towards HIM, which is only a reasonable expectation given our very existence is 100% founded in His Mercy and Love to create us in the first place.

No one is disputing this, it seems like you are trying to change the argument and I can see why. If you are trying to make a case for sacrificing animals as in the feast days that Jesus fulfilled in Him- shadows pointing to Him, no more animal sacrifices Heb10:1-14 Not sure how one would keep them anyway, at least according to the Bible, as there is no more earthy sanctuary. The blood of Jesus and His great sacrifice for our sins was a one time Sacrifice Heb10:10 He became our Passover Lamb, the only Lamb that can take away our sins. If one feels this is not sufficient by all means keep the feast days and animal sacrifices.

I will ask you a question whose answer is necessary before an honest discussion of Scriptures between us can conclude

Interesting coming from the one who said Moses wrote the Ten Commandments on stone with his finger when it was God Exo34:28 Exo31:18 and the feast days has nothing to do with animals or blood when Scriptures clearly say the opposite. I would have more respect if you would own this but instead trying to turn it around.

. I answered your question, there is no atonement or Blood (The life of a being) needed, when there is no transgression.

So here is a question for you, and we will see if you will answer.

"In your understanding, Did God know Adam and Eve would sin when HE placed them in the garden"?

God knows everything, but just because God knows everything does not mean he does not allow people to make their own decisions, nor does it mean He started animal sacrifices before sin, we would need Scripture for that.

We will see if you are really interested in real fellowship and discussion of Scriptures.

It takes two for that and owning up to our words.

 

[Studyman]

These feasts of the Lord "were all about the blood of animals" at least if we are going to go by what the Scripture states.

I will not join you to Judge God as a God that only cares about the "Blood (Life) of Animals" concerning His Words Jesus said to "Live by". I have come to understand that the Blood of the Passover Lamb placed on the two side posts and the lintel of our home, symbolizes placing the life of Jesus, the unblemished Lamb of God, in our mind (Let this mind of Christ be in us) and in our works. ( That we walk, even as HE walked)

The first church of God under HIS Prophesied New High Priest, honored and respected God in Passover, His Feast of Unleavened Bread and Feast of Weeks, understanding that God created His Feasts for them, and Blessed them in their obedience, not because HE desired the Blood of Animals and Sacrifice, as you have been taught and are promoting to others. But because God has a purpose and intent for everything HE does and it is not because God is "all about the blood of animals". This Church of God "kept the feast" of Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, and Pentecost, and never killed a single animal, and God Gave them His Holy Spirit, as Peter teaches, "Because they obeyed Him".

1 Cor. 5: 6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This has always been essential in God's Salvation plan. The "New man", unleavened. Abraham's Life represented this very journey.

So from the very beginning, because I am convinced God actually knew Adam and Eve would sin even before He even created them, God had a Salvation plan which included repentance of sin, a covering for sin, and a journey to unleavened perfection, as it is written:

Gen. 17: 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

All the way to the Last Great Day of the Feast, that Jesus taught to the people, "blessed are those who hunger and thirst for Righteousness".

All Feasts of the Lord despised and rejected by this world's religious system, replaced by Halloween, Day of the Dead, Good Friday and Xmas, all man made high days which generate untold wealth and riches to the merchants of this world.

And why? In part because they have been taught by "another voice", that God's Feasts are "all about animal blood".

I don't believe, when all of the Scriptures are considered, that God is into the blood of animals at all.

But you are free to adopt any religious philosophy you want, just as Eve was free to.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Re 1 Cor 5:7 “Let us keep the feast, NOT with old leaven,
neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”

Paul is saying not to keep the feast with old leaven

- not literal animals
-not the old Passover system

leaven is sin, unleavened bread is sincerity and truth.

Paul is not telling anyone to keep the literal Passover he is using it as a metaphor for spiritual living with sincerity and truth.

Jesus did away with animal sacrifices at the Cross, Heb10:1-14, if one however wishes to continue doing so, that can be between them and God.

Be blessed.

 

[Studyman]

Interesting coming from the one who said Moses wrote the Ten Commandments on stone with his finger when it was God Exo34:28 Exo31:18 and the feast days has nothing to do with animals or blood when Scriptures clearly say the opposite. I would have more respect if you would own this but instead trying to turn it around.

I posted God's Own Words from the KJV. I don't know what Bible you are reading, but here again is what is written in the KJV and as far as I know, most all other translations. I am happy to discuss with you what is actually written.

Ex. 34: 1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. 2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount. 3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount. 4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. 8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. 9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee. 11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. 12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:

13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: 14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: 15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice; 16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.

17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

18 "The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep". Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male. 20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

22 And "thou shalt observe the feast of weeks", of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.

24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year. 25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning. 26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

27 And "the LORD said unto Moses", Write "thou" these words: for "after the tenor of these words" I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

28 And "he" (Moses) was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he (Moses) did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he (Moses) "wrote upon the tables" (As God Just Got through Commanding him) the words of the covenant, "the ten commandments".

29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with "the two tables of testimony" in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

I asked you 3 questions pertaining to this matter, "Who cleansed Naaman, God or the Jordan River? Who raised the child from the dead, Elijah, or God? Wrote wrote on the Tables of Stone", Moses or God?

But you refused to answer, why would you refuse to answer such basic and relevant questions?

Why will you only respect me if I deny the very Word's of God, and adopt your religion?

God knows everything, but just because God knows everything does not mean he does not allow people to make their own decisions, nor does it mean He started animal sacrifices before sin, we would need Scripture for that.

LOL, Oh my goodness. Yes, God knew Eve would sin, and the wages of Sin is death. So His "Salvation Plan" which included giving His Only begotten Son for the Sins of the repentant, was in place, as it is written, "From the foundation of the World".

Rev. 13: 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

In your religion, wasn't this the same dragon/snake that was in the garden, who "opened his mouth in blasphemy against God"?

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: (Who was more perfect than Adam and Eve in the beginning?) and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life "of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world". 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

So yes, God knew Adam and Eve would be overcome by the devil, like all of us. And HE had in place a temporary covering for sins, that was killed "AFTER" they sinned, and covered them with it, "After they sinned", not before as I have said over and over.

Again honesty is important to God, in my view. You know I have said over and over that there is no Atoning Blood needed "before sin". And yet you keep promoting that my position is that blood sacrifices started before sin.

You know this, and yet you still do it.

I really wish you would stop.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I posted God's Own Words from the KJV. I don't know what Bible you are reading, but here again is what is written in the KJV and as far as I know, most all other translations. I am happy to discuss with you what is actually written.

Ex. 34: 1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. 2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount. 3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount. 4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. 8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. 9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee. 11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. 12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:

13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: 14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: 15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice; 16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.

17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

18 "The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep". Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male. 20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

22 And "thou shalt observe the feast of weeks", of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.

24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year. 25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning. 26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

27 And "the LORD said unto Moses", Write "thou" these words: for "after the tenor of these words" I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

28 And "he" (Moses) was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he (Moses) did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he (Moses) "wrote upon the tables" (As God Just Got through Commanding him) the words of the covenant, "the ten commandments".

29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with "the two tables of testimony" in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

It doesn't say Moses, you added that. God took credit for the Ten Commandments in writing them, not Moses, sadly if you wish to give credit to Moses a human for what God, the Creator, plainly said He did, as did Moses and he was there, you are free to continue in this error. Only the Truth sets us free.

The KJV does not capitalize the "he's", you should know this why you need to reconcile Scripture with Scripture, It plainly says God wrote the Ten Commandments with His finger, which is the Holy Spirit, if you can't see this plain Scripture, I don't think there is a point in future discussions.

Hopefully you will consider these Biblical Truths

Exo34: 28 So he (Moses) was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he (Moses) neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

The Second Tablet was the EXACT as the first, both written by God.


Deut 10:14 And He (God) wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me (Moses)

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo31:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.


One would literally have to remove God from these verses and insert Moses, but than the question is, why would one want to and we are told not to add to God's Word.

Why will you only respect me if I deny the very Word's of God, and adopt your religion?

I would consider the plank in your own eye my friend. You make a lot of wild accusations about almost everyone on here, yet, will not own up to your misunderstandings of God's Word.

LOL, Oh my goodness. Yes, God knew Eve would sin, and the wages of Sin is death. So His "Salvation Plan" which included giving His Only begotten Son for the Sins of the repentant, was in place, as it is written, "From the foundation of the World".

Rev. 13: 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

In your religion, wasn't this the same dragon/snake that was in the garden, who "opened his mouth in blasphemy against God"?

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: (Who was more perfect than Adam and Eve in the beginning?) and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life "of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world". 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

So yes, God knew Adam and Eve would be overcome by the devil, like all of us. And HE had in place a temporary covering for sins, that was killed "AFTER" they sinned, and covered them with it, "After they sinned", not before as I have said over and over.

Again honesty is important to God, in my view. You know I have said over and over that there is no Atoning Blood needed "before sin". And yet you keep promoting that my position is that blood sacrifices started before sin.

You know this, and yet you still do it.

I really wish you would stop.

So are you now claiming the feasts days did not start until after the fall? You can't have it both ways, the feast days were for blood sacrifices sin and attornment offerings so why would that be needed when God initially made a world of no sin. So either they did not start at Creation and not part of God's perfect plan, or if you claim they did, than they would include animal sacrifices and for what? future sins? where in the Bible does it say this? So what is your position, when did they start before or after the fall?

 

[Studyman]

Re 1 Cor 5:7 “Let us keep the feast, NOT with old leaven,
neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”

Paul is saying not to keep the feast with old leaven

Yes, HE is a New Man, "which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness". I believe this would be God's definition of righteousness and Holiness, given that this New Man is created "After God" and not after one of the many religious sects and businesses that exist in the world God placed him.

As a child of the devil, a Pharisee, he also claimed to "Keep the Feast", but as Jesus clearly demonstrated, with wickedness.

- not literal animals
-not the old Passover system

Of course, it was always about "the Life of Jesus", not the blood of animals as you are preaching. And the Judgment that comes to "every man" is yet to happen. As it is also written, these Holy Feasts of the Lord are "Shadows of things to come".

"And the blood (Life of Jesus) shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, (Life of Jesus) I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

Jesus explained how the observance changed "After the Seed" had come, and directed His Disciples how to obey the Statutes after HE was gone up to His Father. It's right there in your own bible.

leaven is sin, unleavened bread is sincerity and truth.

Paul is not telling anyone to keep the literal Passover he is using it as a metaphor for spiritual living with sincerity and truth.

But God's Law is and has always been Spiritual and God's People, all the way back to Noah, a preacher of Righteousness, as well and understood the Spiritual meaning of the Passover. David sure did. Read about Zacharias and Simeon in Luke 1&2, they also understood what being "Unleavened" means.

But how can you, given you have been convinced by some voice, that God's Feasts are "All about the blood of animals" understand?

Jesus did away with animal sacrifices at the Cross,

Actually, HE was the Prophesied New Priest of God the moment HE came up out of the water. He forgave many sins and never placed a single finger into animal blood. And Yet longed to partake with the Disciples on Passover. The Priesthood Changed way before HE was murdered. But the true meaning of the Feasts of the Lord are relevant to this day, at least according to Paul.

Heb10:1-14, if one however wishes to continue doing so, that can be between them and God.

Again, who is promoting animal sacrifices? I could post for you probably 20 scriptures where God say HE desires obedience, not sacrifice. And yet you are still promoting that His "Feasts of the Lord" are all about animal blood.

You are free to believe as you wish, I am simply sharing Scriptures and my understanding of them.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, HE is a New Man, "which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness". I believe this would be God's definition of righteousness and Holiness, given that this New Man is created "After God" and not after one of the many religious sects and businesses that exist in the world God placed him.

As a child of the devil, a Pharisee, he also claimed to "Keep the Feast", but as Jesus clearly demonstrated, with wickedness.


Of course, it was always about "the Life of Jesus", not the blood of animals as you are preaching. And the Judgment that comes to "every man" is yet to happen. As it is also written, these Holy Feasts of the Lord are "Shadows of things to come".

"And the blood (Life of Jesus) shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, (Life of Jesus) I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

Jesus explained how the observance changed "After the Seed" had come, and directed His Disciples how to obey the Statutes after HE was gone up to His Father. It's right there in your own bible.



But God's Law is and has always been Spiritual and God's People, all the way back to Noah, a preacher of Righteousness, as well and understood the Spiritual meaning of the Passover. David sure did. Read about Zacharias and Simeon in Luke 1&2, they also understood what being "Unleavened" means.

But how can you, given you have been convinced by some voice, that God's Feasts are "All about the blood of animals" understand?



Actually, HE was the Prophesied New Priest of God the moment HE came up out of the water. He forgave many sins and never placed a single finger into animal blood. And Yet longed to partake with the Disciples on Passover. The Priesthood Changed way before HE was murdered. But the true meaning of the Feasts of the Lord are relevant to this day, at least according to Paul.




Again, who is promoting animal sacrifices? I could post for you probably 20 scriptures where God say HE desires obedience, not sacrifice. And yet you are still promoting that His "Feasts of the Lord" are all about animal blood.

You are free to believe as you wish, I am simply sharing Scriptures and my understanding of them.

First you claimed the feast days were not about blood or animal sacrifices, I clearly showed you that was not the case. They were about animal sacrifices until Jesus died as the feast days, animal sacrifices etc. all ended at the Cross and fulfilled in Christ, the teaching that before the Cross they were not about animal sacrifices is not something we can find in our Bibles, while they always had a deeper spiritual meaning, pointing to Christ and His great sacrifice, they were literal blood and animal sacrifices in each one of the feast days, just as the blood of Jesus was literal.

 

[Studyman]

It doesn't say Moses, you added that. God took credit for the Ten Commandments in writing them, not Moses, sadly if you wish to give credit to Moses a human for what God, the Creator, plainly said He did, as did Moses and he was there, you are free to continue in this error. Only the Truth sets us free.

Your truth will set no one free. This is evident by your continued refusal to answer my questions. Because you know the answer, and the answer exposes your truth, not what is actually written.

27 "And the LORD" said unto Moses, "Write thou these words": for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. 28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

It is you who implies that Elijah raised the dead, and the Jordan cleansed Naaman, and Moses wrote God's Laws.

But not me, I know it was not them, but God In Them, that did all these things, and much more. But you are the one who Judges God's Laws by who YOU claim wrote them. So that God's Words do not hold the save value to you, if they are written down by those who God sent and commanded to write down.

But It is time for me to move along. I don't want to get reported for flaming, and get banned off this forum.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Your truth will set no one free. This is evident by your continued refusal to answer my questions. Because you know the answer, and the answer exposes your truth, not what is actually written.

I did not write these Scriptures, I just believe them as they are plainly written.

Read the very first verse in this passage, this cannot be more plain. These are not my words- but God's. I pray your eyes will be opened. One would literally have to remove God in these verses and replace with man. To me, its just another attack on God's Ten Commandments, man lowering the divine works of God to be equal or less than man.

Exo 34:1 And the Lord said to Moses, “Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke.

They were reviewing both some of the laws from Moses and some from the law of God, the Ten Commandments.

Moses wrote the law of Moses in a book with ink on scrolls. This is what verse 27 is referring to. Verse 28 plainly says God wrote the Ten Commandments.

Deut 31: So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you; 27 for I know your rebellion and your stiff neck. If today, while I am yet alive with you, you have been rebellious against the Lord, then how much more after my death?


Exo34: 28 So he (Moses) was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he (Moses) neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 10:14 And He (God) wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me (Moses)

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo31:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

The law of God, the Ten Comamndment was written by God, not Moses, it says so in the very first verse in the passage Exo 34:1 and over and over again in Scripture including the very last verse in this passage in Exo34:28

 

[Studyman]

So are you now claiming the feasts days did not start until after the fall?

The Passover Lamb of God existed before He was murdered. The Passover Lamb in Ex. 12 existed before it was killed. The animals whose skin covered the nakedness of Adam and Eve existed before they sinned. The Passover Commandment was given to Israel, before the Lamb was killed. The Law was given to Adam and Eve, before their transgression. God didn't give them the Law, "Because they sinned" as the preachers of this world promote God did for Abraham's Children. God didn't give Abraham His Statutes, Commandments, Judgments and Laws, "Because He sinned", as "many", who come in Christ's Name, preach HE did for Abraham's Children.

God's entire Salvation Plan was known to God before the creation of the 1st Day.

This is my understanding of Scriptures. You are free to disagree, just please don't bear false witness. Not because of what it does for me, it's an honor for me that you would bear false witness against me. But because what this leaven does to you.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Passover Lamb of God existed before He was murdered. The Passover Lamb in Ex. 12 existed before it was killed. The animals whose skin covered the nakedness of Adam and Eve existed before they sinned. The Passover Commandment was given to Israel, before the Lamb was killed. The Law was given to Adam and Eve, before their transgression. God didn't give them the Law, "Because they sinned" as the preachers of this world promote God did for Abraham's Children. God didn't give Abraham His Statutes, Commandments, Judgments and Laws, "Because He sinned", as "many", who come in Christ's Name, preach HE did for Abraham's Children.

God's entire Salvation Plan was known to God before the creation of the 1st Day.

This is my understanding of Scriptures. You are free to disagree, just please don't bear false witness. Not because of what it does for me, it's an honor for me that you would bear false witness against me. But because what this leaven does to you.

Again, not following the discussion.

There is no record that the feast days annual sabbaths feast days and animal sacrifices were given before the fall. Please provide one verse that says this. Before Jesus died for sins, the feast days were about blood and animal sacrifices. Why would there be a need to kill innocent animals when there was no sin until after the fall.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

I have presented my arguments with Scripture, you have presented your arguments with your own words. Again Jesus never fulfilled the Sabbath so we can profane it, just like He didn't fulfil the other 9 commandments so we can stay in our sins where there remains no more sacrifice Hen10:26-30 Why He told us not to break the least of these commandments or teach others to, and in doing so comes with a pretty serious warning in my view Mat5:19-30

There is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. People use this to try to lower what the Sabbath is really about- God's holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord. Isa58:13 made for man, the word Jesus used means mankind in Greek and Adam in Hebrew. mat2:27 that started at Creation thus saith the Lord Exo20:11 when there was not Jew or Israel just man and God.

I do not need to prove the Sabbath is a commandment of God, because God said so and I have provided a plethora of Scripture. You would need to prove where God said we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment and where He transferred the power that comes with the Sabbath- His sanctification and blessings from the Sabbath, to the first day. God already spoke on this matter, He wrote it Himself, if we can't believe God's own Testimony Exo31:18 and said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19, what I say will not mean anything.

Take care.

You are also misstating the argument, to say that I advocate profaning the Sabbath, when I do no such thing, neither does the Apostolic teaching.
The Ten Commandments were written to the children of Israel by the finger of God and presented to them by Moses
The New Covenant does not profane the Sabbath, but expands it. God is not limited by His creation, else He would not be God. This is why Jesus says that the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath, and He declared Himself Lord of the Sabbath, the Sabbath not being Lord of Him.
In the New Covenant, we keep the Sabbath every day. We deny ourselves and take up our cross. We do not work for ourselves six days and worship God one day. The work that we now do is not to enrich ourselves and grow our influence, rather it is a sacrifice in service for the people of God and for the greater glory of God.
The scripture says that they may see the good works that you do and give glory to God. As Christians, we have ceased from our labors of self edification and taken on the yolk of Christ’s sacrifice, as He says my yolk is easy and my burden light.
Do you remember where scripture says be anxious for nothing. Take no care for tomorrow for tomorrow will take care for itself, sufficient for today is the evil thereof. We are combating evil spirits every day and we are resting from our own labors in Christ everyday, not once per week. The Sabbath is not profaned and never will be.
The Apostles appointed over us have called the Church to remember Christ’s sacrifice on the cross and resurrection once per week as a sign of obedience, but that has nothing to do with sabbath rest that is everyday. Jesus rose on the first day of the week, and the Holy Spirit descended with tongues of fire on the first day of the week.
If we are not working for self exaltation, but rather as a sacrifice to our brothers and sisters, the Sabbath is not profaned. Jesus healed on the Sabbath and He even taught that labor in sacrifice is permitted on the Sabbath, when He said who of you if your beast has fallen into a pit would not pull it out on the Sabbath?
It is wonderful and laudable that you wish to please God to the best of your ability. To call your fellow Christians deceived and carrying the mark of the beast is profoundly misleading and does no service for the glory of God, nor the Sabbath
I whole heartedly apologize to you, if my previous words led you to believe that I advocate profaning the Sabbath. It is not true, God’s glory is to be honored never profaned. Presumption is a terrible sin of which I would be guilty if I advocated profanation of the Sabbath. If I have in the past then I repent before you and God right now

Resting in Christ everyday and living a life of sacrifice is not profanation of the Sabbath.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. After the resurrection, the Apostles taught continual self sacrifice, not ceasing from work once per week.
Your faith can be hijacked by seducing spirits that say continual rest in Jesus and self sacrifice is evil. They play on emotion and limited knowledge. Which do you say is more righteous, continual Sabbath or once per week Sabbath?
Scripture says Woe to those that call the evil good and the good evil. This tells us that using our limited knowledge to call others evil, when they are good, will bring us woe.
Would you rather have woe, or have Our Lord say peace be still and know that I am God?

May God show you His peace to keep you from woe.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are also misstating the argument, to say that I advocate profaning the Sabbath, when I do no such thing, neither does the Apostolic teaching.
The Ten Commandments were written to the children of Israel by the finger of God and presented to them by Moses
The New Covenant does not profane the Sabbath, but expands it. God is not limited by His creation, else He would not be God. This is why Jesus says that the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath, and He declared Himself Lord of the Sabbath, the Sabbath not being Lord of Him.
In the New Covenant, we keep the Sabbath every day. We deny ourselves and take up our cross. We do not work for ourselves six days and worship God one day. The work that we now do is not to enrich ourselves and grow our influence, rather it is a sacrifice in service for the people of God and for the greater glory of God.
The scripture says that they may see the good works that you do and give glory to God. As Christians, we have ceased from our labors of self edification and taken on the yolk of Christ’s sacrifice, as He says my yolk is easy and my burden light.
Do you remember where scripture says be anxious for nothing. Take no care for tomorrow for tomorrow will take care for itself, sufficient for today is the evil thereof. We are combating evil spirits every day and we are resting from our own labors in Christ everyday, not once per week. The Sabbath is not profaned and never will be.
The Apostles appointed over us have called the Church to remember Christ’s sacrifice on the cross and resurrection once per week as a sign of obedience, but that has nothing to do with sabbath rest that is everyday. Jesus rose on the first day of the week, and the Holy Spirit descended with tongues of fire on the first day of the week.
If we are not working for self exaltation, but rather as a sacrifice to our brothers and sisters, the Sabbath is not profaned. Jesus healed on the Sabbath and He even taught that labor in sacrifice is permitted on the Sabbath, when He said who of you if your beast has fallen into a pit would not pull it out on the Sabbath?
It is wonderful and laudable that you wish to please God to the best of your ability. To call your fellow Christians deceived and carrying the mark of the beast is profoundly misleading and does no service for the glory of God, nor the Sabbath
I whole heartedly apologize to you, if my previous words led you to believe that I advocate profaning the Sabbath. It is not true, God’s glory is to be honored never profaned. Presumption is a terrible sin of which I would be guilty if I advocated profanation of the Sabbath. If I have in the past then I repent before you and God right now

Resting in Christ everyday and living a life of sacrifice is not profanation of the Sabbath.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. After the resurrection, the Apostles taught continual self sacrifice, not ceasing from work once per week.
Your faith can be hijacked by seducing spirits that say continual rest in Jesus and self sacrifice is evil. They play on emotion and limited knowledge. Which do you say is more righteous, continual Sabbath or once per week Sabbath?
Scripture says Woe to those that call the evil good and the good evil. This tells us that using our limited knowledge to call others evil, when they are good, will bring us woe.
Would you rather have woe, or have Our Lord say peace be still and know that I am God?

May God show you His peace to keep you from woe.

I have made a practice not to continue debating when someone uses their own words as if its equal to God's. Your argument is not Biblically supported, I guess that's why no Scripture references were provided. There is no Scripture that says the NC changed God's 4th commandment. This goes against God's very own teaching where He said the exact opposite. I will not alter my words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19, so not something as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t can pass from the law of God, so changing it is going against the clear will of God. He predicted the Sabbath would be changed Dan7:25 but not by Him and there is a clear history of this already provided and they admit doing so based on their authority over the word of God. Anytime, when we elevate a man-made teaching over one of God's commandments, it is profaning it, just used the word worshipping Him in vain Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13, even if we do not think so. Its why God Himself said not keeping the Sabbath is going after idols Eze20:16. Its replacing the Authority of God with another authority. I know it sounds good to the ears that we can receive God's blessings and sanctification on a day God made for work and labors, but its not something we can find in our Bibles. God in His own words condemned this. Eze22:26 Eze20:16 Isa66:17

In my view of the Bible, we are to change our life around God's word, not the other way around. God was specific for a reason, just like he was with Adam and Eve and just like He was with the children of Israel during their trial of the wilderness. God does want to bless Isa56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 but its based on His power of Authority Exo20:11, not based on what man wants.

Anyway, I wish you well, I am going to leave it as agree to disagree.

 

[Studyman]

Why would there be a need to kill innocent animals when there was no sin until after the fall.

Except that this is not my stated belief as I have told you over and over and over and over, even in the post you are replying to. Like I said, your bearing false witness against others only hurts you, and blasphemes God's Name. It doesn't hurt me.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Except that this is not my stated belief as I have told you over and over and over and over, even in the post you are replying to. Like I said, your bearing false witness against others only hurts you, and blasphemes God's Name. It doesn't hurt me.

SabbathBlessings said:
Why would there be a need to kill innocent animals when there was no sin until after the fall.

Asking a question to try and understand your POV is not an accusation or bearing false witness, but I hope you will consider the things you have said in your own posts to those you reply to.

I see there is no reasoning here, so I will let it rest in God's hands. He will sort it all out.

Take care