The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

[stevevw]

Wonder if the Golden Rule will start trending with the newest generation. Things tend to go full circle,

I think so. You don't have to be a Christian to see the fighting and division of the current generation to realise something is wrong. It would make anyone think "Lets go back to the drawing board because maybe we missed something in the instruction manual because whatever they are doing, it ain't working" lol.

There is some truth that this generation are turning back to tradition and the church.

Religious revival: Why young people around the world are finding faith again
From digital spirituality to gendered divides, faith seems to offer meaning and identity where secular culture has fallen short.

Religious revival: Why young people around the world are finding faith again | Lowy Institute

From digital spirituality to gendered divides, faith seems to offer meaning and identity where secular culture has fallen short.

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[pc_76]

Its too late and was always going to be this way. In fact I believe it has taken a giant step towards that end. I can see it in my own lifetime in how people have rejected God and chaos has resulted.

But remember though God allows such things there is a limit. Remember S & G and even the Egyptians and even the Hebrews when they rejected God this set off a series of bad stuff happening. Usually it was through natural disasters. But I believe the earth is also moving towards this end and is groaning and shifting as evil is thrust upon it.

It all goes hand in hand and humans have cultivated their own destruction. We will see many great disasters even topling great idols and icons of the world. Eathquakes and eruptions as the earth shifts into a time of upheavel. But also fighting in the streets and rebellion and hate and chaos.

This is what happens when we reject God. Its always been the same and we can predict it. I think now in the west we have moved more away from God than at anytime since Christ. We are now in the Godless period once again.

But this time its Empire and perhaps even on a worldwide scale and not just a city or people warring. But there are dark principalities rising up against each other.

Christians are together and seperate from this in Christ. Like the early church under the Roman pagan world. We will be the light to the world in this in all this darkness.

At least natural disasters are honest. Nature doesn't discriminate among specific targets, unlike man.

 

[pc_76]

God has battled adversity since before the creation of our universe. Again, as I have said, there is a necessary plan in place to set things right but that is often overlooked because it is hard for us to comprehend the time required to have both elohim and man properly adapt to the knowledge of good and evil. Remember, creation is made up of opposites and for elohim and man alike, and for both to be servants to God rather than self-serving despots, we all must come to terms in dealing with this knowledge without trying to assume control. It is God's plan, but He is timeless while to us it seems forever for His plan to come to fruition.

As a side note but of extreme relevance, we can look back on the Nuremberg trials after WW II. It focused on the leaders of Nazi Germany and a psychiatrist that was charged with determining whether they were sane enough to stand trial for their crimes. He came to the stunning reality that they were indeed sane and intelligent, cool and calm, yet extremely evil and manipulative, turning the concept of evil on its head. These men saw their thinking and leadership as superior and godlike. This, of course corresponds with how the powers and principalities, the rebellious elohim, have always influenced leaders to control the people and to do the will of God's elohim adversaries. It happened pre-flood, post Babel, and all through time until now as these rebellious elohim exert their influence upon willing mankind. It produced wars among nations but there has been a frightening change.

We now live in an age where the electric power of the air fuels communication. Turn on the tv, radio or internet. Media has become the new elohim influenced leader of humanity, and humanity itself has taken on the character of those former Nazi leaders. We've gone from isolated warring nations to a global warring of leaderless people against people, not of nations but even in the home. It only took 50 years for this to happen and today it is not just the leaders but the people themselves that have taken on this evil attitude in their continuing and growing support of divisiveness and self-authoritarianism. The obvious result of this will be world-wide annihilation of each other and we not longer follow leaders but all assume the role of evil itself in pursuing this divisiveness and hating family and neighbour, contrary to the will of God. It's all part of God's greater plan but it ain't gonna be pretty as the grain is separated from the tares.

What is the "self-authoritarianism" you mean? The Bible has rules and commandments, and Jesus himself says that any mild deviation is lukewarm and therefore, they are not saved at all and might as well have committed the original sin. How are the implications of this not spiritual authoritarianism?

 

[pc_76]

I believe Christians generally will be blindsided. There were all those following Trump blindly to get him in office, and they are in denial of what is happening to the world, to let it continue as is, because any crisis from it does not fit their eschatology, they are so sure theirs is the right understanding. I can see how that will go, and God hates the destruction to this earth, why will God stop the collapse of that which is destructive?
Revelation 11:18

Because there are innocent people within those places that have to shoulder the burden just because everybody else surrounding them has turned away from God.

It's always the innocent little guy that gets disadvantaged while the spiritual world battle between good and evil is waged. It's just like politics.

 

[timothyu]

What is the "self-authoritarianism" you mean?

Mankind loves to proclaim themselves above others, even elected leaders who lets it go to their heads. Few, other than maybe a man like Carter as an example, do otherwise. But even siblings act the same. Someone is always power tripping.

 

[Robban]

Mankind loves to proclaim themselves above others, even elected leaders who lets it go to their heads. Few, other than maybe a man like Carter as an example, do otherwise. But even siblings act the same. Someone is always power tripping.

Humpty dumpty sat on a wall, humpty dumpty had a great fall.

One question I have heard asked is," What was an egg doing on a wall in the first place?"