The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[Larniavc]

Yup.

Seems perfectly happy doing their thing at uni. Good for them; bad example from you (second hand information is never a good look).

 

[RileyG]

You can’t influence someone into marked incongruence between one's experienced or expressed gender and the one assigned at birth.

It seems some people will not accept how other people feel and need to invent causes that can be opposed.

If you feel comfortable dead naming or pronoun selecting people to their face I hope you don’t play the persecution card when you get told to go screw.

I wouldn’t do it to their face. They have right to live their life as they choose. I don’t care what adults do. It’s none of my business to begin with.

 

[Larniavc]

I could get it wrong so I just avoid it

Say they and their. That’s what I do at work because I simply cannot keep up with what people have as their specific pronoun.

 

[rjs330]

Are they open to the possibility that for a subset transitioning might be the best answer? Is there a medical intervention second in that program? Because here a team of specialists, including psychologists are part of the process before any medical interventions are effectuated.
Trying out a new name or gender role in school, does not conflict with psychotherapy.

How many kids gets hormones or surgery without some kind of therapeutic dialogue in the US?

In the US there are no requirements to undergo extensive therapy. In fact none is actually required nationwide.

The answer to your first question is no
They do not believe any kids need to transition to get well. There is no transition second. Of a kid persists until they are 18 then they are an adult and unless they continue their therapy, as an adult there is no barrier to transitioning.

 

[RileyG]

Seems perfectly happy doing their thing at uni. Good for them; bad example from you (second hand information is never a good look).

I hope him the best, despite the meltdowns I’ve seen. I don’t know him personally and his life doesn’t affect me in the slightest.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Schools have a responsibility to make sure no one is discriminated against. Red heads, kids with a big nose, black kids, white kids, aisian kids, religious kids, gay kids, poor kids....all kids. There is no reason to single out lgbt kids as focus on their issues and teach everyone how wonderful it is and the sexuality of it all.

You aren't trying to say that respect for all people can't be taught with out pushing a certain ideology are you?

Not at all, but if you think a same-sex kiss is a reason to call the parents, I hope you also believe a cross-sex kiss is also a reason to call the parents. Otherwise, it is discrimination.

If a cisgender kid asks a teacher to use their preferred pronouns, and that is ok then it must also be ok to use the preferred pronouns for a transgender kid.

 

[RileyG]

Say they and their. That’s what I do at work because I simply cannot keep up with what people have as their specific pronoun.

Literally at work on the phone yesterday I was called “ma’am” and the guy came into the store and told me talked to a lady.

Did I really care? No. He made a mistake. No big deal.

 

[Larniavc]

I wouldn’t do it to their face. They have right to live their life as they choose. I don’t care what adults do. It’s none of my business to begin with.

Then I’m not sure what we are arguing about (I’m not using arguing in the pejorative sense)?

 

[Larniavc]

I hope him the best, despite the meltdowns I’ve seen. I don’t know him personally and his life doesn’t affect me in the slightest.

To be fair you used it as an example of your position.

 

[RileyG]

Then I’m not sure what we are arguing about (I’m not using arguing in the pejorative sense)?

Treat people right, even if I don’t agree with an ideology? I dunno. Sounds fair to me.

 

[Larniavc]

Treat people right, even if I don’t agree with an ideology? I dunno. Sounds fair to me.

As long as we all do that all is well.

 

[RileyG]

Not at all, but if you think a same-sex kiss is a reason to call the parents, I hope you also believe a cross-sex kiss is also a reason to call the parents. Otherwise, it is discrimination.

If a cisgender kid asks a teacher to use their preferred pronouns, and that is ok then it must also be ok to use the preferred pronouns for a transgender kid.

Some parents might think that is wrong/immoral. Sure, some people may think that’s discrimination, but they cannot control the reactions and beliefs of everybody. Some people like to stir the pot. They don’t know how to mind their own business. Just one example.

 

[RileyG]

As long as we all do that all is well.

I agree.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

In the US there are no requirements to undergo extensive therapy. In fact none is actually required nationwide.

The answer to your first question is no
They do not believe any kids need to transition to get well. There is no transition second. Of a kid persists until they are 18 then they are an adult and unless they continue their therapy, as an adult there is no barrier to transitioning.

So it is should be named Therapy Only then. Do they have a better track record than the other alternatives? Why should their approach be elevated to more than a possibility?

 

[rjs330]

Not at all, but if you think a same-sex kiss is a reason to call the parents, I hope you also believe a cross-sex kiss is also a reason to call the parents. Otherwise, it is discrimination.

If a cisgender kid asks a teacher to use their preferred pronouns, and that is ok then it must also be ok to use the preferred pronouns for a transgender kid.

If a kid claims to be trans then parents need to know, because the parents are responsible for this seriously mentally ill child. After all we are told that rrans kids have serious suicidal ideation. Schools are not equipped to handle anything like this and the child needs serious therapy.
Pronouns are easy. Just call the kid the pronouns of their biological sex. Pronouns are biologically tied to sex. However, I believe the use of pronouns should be voluntary. If you want to use preferred pronouns be my guest. If you don't you shouldn't be forced to lie if you don't want to. After all we don't actually run around calling anyone by their pronouns. Use whatever name they want to use. I have no issues with that. A name is a name and does not specifically determine sex.

 

[rjs330]

So it is should be named Therapy Only then. Do they have a better track record than the other alternatives? Why should their approach be elevated to more than a possibility?

They have a very good track record. If you want to know more you should talk to them.

The other alternatives do NOT have a good track record. That's what the systematic reviews have shown. And the reason Europe backed completely off rhe track they were on. They moved to any medicalization being done solely in a research oriented program. And not every kid gets accepted into the program. Its tightly controlled. Its going to take MANY years to determine if any medicalization is actually effective and safe.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

If a kid claims to be trans then parents need to know, because the parents are responsible for this seriously mentally ill child. After all we are told that rrans kids have serious suicidal ideation. Schools are not equipped to handle anything like this and the child needs serious therapy.

And what about the kiss example?

Pronouns are easy. Just call the kid the pronouns of their biological sex.

Why?

Pronouns are biologically tied to sex.

They are not. I haven't ever checked anyone's sex chromosomes or gametes before using a pronoun. Have you?

However, I believe the use of pronouns should be voluntary. If you want to use preferred pronouns be my guest. If you don't you shouldn't be forced to lie if you don't want to.

It's no lie.

After all we don't actually run around calling anyone by their pronouns. Use whatever name they want to use. I have no issues with that. A name is a name and does not specifically determine sex.

Neither does pronouns. It is all convention, there are languages with gender neutral pronouns in addition to gendered ones. There are also languages where pronouns are not gendered.

 

[RileyG]

If a kid claims to be trans then parents need to know, because the parents are responsible for this seriously mentally ill child. After all we are told that rrans kids have serious suicidal ideation. Schools are not equipped to handle anything like this and the child needs serious therapy.
Pronouns are easy. Just call the kid the pronouns of their biological sex. Pronouns are biologically tied to sex. However, I believe the use of pronouns should be voluntary. If you want to use preferred pronouns be my guest. If you don't you shouldn't be forced to lie if you don't want to. After all we don't actually run around calling anyone by their pronouns. Use whatever name they want to use. I have no issues with that. A name is a name and does not specifically determine sex.

Agreed. They need real help, especially if it’s a mental health emergency. Teachers and principals don’t always know how to respond. Parents are responsible for caring for their children and doing what is best for them.

 

[RileyG]

And if the

Why?

They are not. I haven't ever checked anyone's sex chromosomes or gametes before using a pronoun. Have you?

It's no lie.

Neither does pronouns. It is all convention, there are languages with gender neutral pronouns in addition to gendered ones. There are also languages where pronouns are not gendered.

The “lie” is using feminine pronouns for a biological male or vice versa. Some people don’t play that game.

 

[rambot]

I've seen all the studies. They ALL suffer from the same issues. They are unreliable for the reasons I mentioned and thus garbage. Trying to use junk research as if it's reliable encourages false belief. Thats what all the systematic reviews have proven. Stop pretending they are accurate and reliable. They aren't. You should know this by now.

I'm sorry.
Could you tell me where you "mentioned" it? Like, what post? I didn't see them.