The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[Stopped_lurking]

"Gender affirming care" (According to Medicare data) increases suicide stats by double compared to "cis gender" population.
Another stat I saw cited that almost 20% of 10 year post op transgender individuals commit suicide. (40% attempt) I think that may be the HIGHEST suicide rate in any population. (At last it's the highest stat I've ever seen.)

Suicide rates general populations:
(Veterans = 14%)
(Police = .021%)
(Incarcerated in state or federal prisons = 8%)

Disparities in Suicidality by Gender Identity Among Medicare Beneficiaries - PMC

Suicidality is higher for gender minorities than the general population, yet little is known about suicidality in disabled or older adult gender minorities. This study used 2009–2014 Medicare claims to identify people with gender identity–related ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So the risk of suicide is almost double in veterans than in older gender minority adults. That is a good argument to avoid the military I guess.


In the longitudinal studies comparing pre- and post-surgery risk collated in this review, the risk for suicide are reduced after gender affirming surgery.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/26318318231189836

However the risk is still elevated compared to the population in general, but that is not strange. Living as a trans persons is of course another potential hardship.

 

[A2SG]

No one is saying otherwise. Behavior, is a choice. Sexual orientation and sexual behavior are two different things. That's the difference.

I'm well aware of that. The point this exchange derived from was that homosexual experimentation causes psychological damage, and that's far from demonstrable.

Sexual orientation isn't a choice, as you've noted, and even if someone chooses to experiment with a different orientation, the likelihood is they'll find it doesn't work for them, and they'll eventually settle on the one that's right for them. There is no evidence that this kind of activity necessarily results in psychological damage. Perhaps it might in certain specific cases, due to other issues, but for the vast majority of people, they're attracted to who they're attracted to, and they can't make themselves attracted to someone they're not. Which, as I noted, is why conversion therapy doesn't work.

-- A2SG, and I personally believe that anyone who has an opinion about someone else's sexual orientation should keep it to themselves.....

 

[A2SG]

Extreme ideologies such as these don't belong in public schools. Impressionable minors don't need to be exposed to it. Let them live their lives. Boys are boys, and girls are girls. 15-20 years ago, we never heard of this! Now it's everywhere! What changed? ugh

We learned stuff.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

-- A2SG, people don't always fit into the tidy boxes some want them to....

 

[rambot]

"Gender affirming care" (According to Medicare data) increases suicide stats by double compared to "cis gender" population.
Another stat I saw cited that almost 20% of 10 year post op transgender individuals commit suicide. (40% attempt) I think that may be the HIGHEST suicide rate in any population. (At last it's the highest stat I've ever seen.)

Suicide rates general populations:
(Veterans = 14%)
(Police = .021%)
(Incarcerated in state or federal prisons = 8%)

Disparities in Suicidality by Gender Identity Among Medicare Beneficiaries - PMC

Suicidality is higher for gender minorities than the general population, yet little is known about suicidality in disabled or older adult gender minorities. This study used 2009–2014 Medicare claims to identify people with gender identity–related ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Your use of the phrase "suicide stats" is really vague as it's split into ideation, attempt and successful attempt. Generally, these all follow the same pattern from what I've seen but not always.
That said, a lot of the studies I've skimmed are comparing post op suicide attempts with the GENERAL population and I gotta say right off the bat, that is NOT an apprpriate comparision.
All of the stats you are quoting above is PRE-op. The link you provided didn't actually refer to "Gender affirming care" just "Gender minorities getting treatment and gender minorities with disabilities [nonspecified]. It cannot be deduced that the article was referring to "post op" individuals but seems to be referring to 'preop" phrase of their transition. Maybe I missed it?


The suicide ideation rate pre-op is 40% in trans kiddos (has has been consistent with the 4 trans people I've worked with (not really...they all had suicidal ideation).

So ....unbelievably shocking, that is somehow an improvement.


What is so utterly and completely baffling is that the regret rate for these surgeries is just, unbelievably low compared to so many other kinds of surgeries.

If this regret rate is low (and it's undeniably low), then one has to wonder if the surgery remains the problem 10 years later or if, perhaps their own belief or treatment and lack of acceptance in their society would continue to make them feel ostracized, alone and suicidal (paraphrasing a study that noted this as the likely reason).

 

[RileyG]

I'm well aware of that. The point this exchange derived from was that homosexual experimentation causes psychological damage, and that's far from demonstrable.

Sexual orientation isn't a choice, as you've noted, and even if someone chooses to experiment with a different orientation, the likelihood is they'll find it doesn't work for them, and they'll eventually settle on the one that's right for them. There is no evidence that this kind of activity necessarily results in psychological damage. Perhaps it might in certain specific cases, due to other issues, but for the vast majority of people, they're attracted to who they're attracted to, and they can't make themselves attracted to someone they're not. Which, as I noted, is why conversion therapy doesn't work.

-- A2SG, and I personally believe that anyone who has an opinion about someone else's sexual orientation should keep it to themselves.....

I don’t disagree at all.

 

[RileyG]

We learned stuff.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

-- A2SG, people don't always fit into the tidy boxes some want them to....

Yes. We learned how many people have been harmed by this ideology. Telling impressionable children they were born in the wrong body only causes immense harm.

 

[RileyG]

Just for the record, alpha men...
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Oh my goodness....I think this is real.



Imagine how happy gay men are to know their population probably exploded!

Uhhh no one takes Andrew Tate seriously…,,.he’s too much

 

[RileyG]

So the risk of suicide is almost double in veterans than in older gender minority adults. That is a good argument to avoid the military I guess.


In the longitudinal studies comparing pre- and post-surgery risk collated in this review, the risk for suicide are reduced after gender affirming surgery.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/26318318231189836

However the risk is still elevated compared to the population in general, but that is not strange. Living as a trans persons is of course another potential hardship.

Adults can make their own decisions. Just leave minors alone and out of it.

I think that’s a fair compromise.

 

[A2SG]

Yes. We learned how many people have been harmed by this ideology.

And others have been helped by it. Why ignore them? I'd wager that those who have been helped by gender affirming care outnumber those who were harmed by it (I know a lot of anecdotal evidence that suggests such), but if you have actual data counter to that, I'd be curious to see it.

Telling impressionable children they were born in the wrong body only causes immense harm.

No one's telling kids that. If a kid expresses that they have that feeling, it can be, and should be, discussed with someone who understands what they might be going through and can help guide them through it, but I've never heard of anyone telling a kid that apropos of nothing. It's a strawman, pure and simple.

-- A2SG, who are these people going up to random kids and just telling them how they should feel about their own bodies anyway....

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Adults can make their own decisions. Just leave minors alone and out of it.

I think that’s a fair compromise.

Are schools are forcing gender affirming care on any minors? Trans persons exists in society, as such schools have talk about them. Many societies have laws and regulations that forbid discrimination based on gender identity, that includes schools in many cases. What do you mean when you say leave minors out of it?

Does that mean that a gender diverse kid shouldn't get care?

 

[A2SG]

Adults can make their own decisions. Just leave minors alone and out of it.

I think that’s a fair compromise.

And when a minor seeks help because they have these feelings they don't understand, should we just ignore them, or tell them to come back when they're 21?

Kids have issues, and they need someone to talk to about them, someone who understands their issues and can help.

-- A2SG, these feelings don't just go away until their 21st birthday....

 

[7thKeeper]

-- A2SG, how dare a school district compel math teachers to talk about numbers all day long! Maybe they would prefer to discuss poetry....

It's gotten so bad that Mamdani is trying to force kids in NY to learn Arabic numerals!

 

[A2SG]

It's gotten so bad that Mamdani is trying to force kids in NY to learn Arabic numerals!

-- A2SG, will someone PLEASE think of the children!!!

 

[7thKeeper]

There's been many cases of trans teens who committed suicide after receiving so-called gender affirming care or socially transitioning or had affirming parents. Something tells me it's not as helpful as some claim.

You do realise that without statistics or any kind of detail, this sort of statement is worthless? How many of all trans teens who received care committed suicide? What were the causes of those suicides? That last one is pretty important because if they were driven to it by bullying for example, the care isn't the cause of it. You're just being too vague here to make any sort of hard claims.

 

[Larniavc]

From his perspective, drag queens is perversion. There are no irrational fears. Men dressing up as women and acting provocatively? I say that's quite abnormal. It makes a mockery of women, imo.

It’s simply icky from your point of view; you don’t get to attribute your icky feelings as factual statements.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

What did he tell the woman caught in adultery? “Neither do i condemn you, go, and sin no more.”

Compassion, yes. Kindness. Yes. Understanding. Yes. But no tolerance for their sin.

The idea that "Go and sin no more" makes Jesus Christ of Nazareth intolerant is missing the point. He is about love so it would be contradictory for Him to send the woman off with a hidden, mean-spirited deman. Instead, imagine it coming from a loving, concerned Father. Having just saved her life, He wasn't giving a harsh command; He was offering the most caring advice possible. It's His way of saying, "I've forgiven you, now here's the best way to stay safe," essentially giving her a way to protect herself from returning to a destructive path.

 

[RileyG]

It’s simply icky from your point of view; you don’t get to attribute your icky feelings as factual statements.

It’s more of a feeling than a factual statement. Adult entertainment is for adults. Keeping things age appropriate is entirely fair.

 

[RileyG]

The idea that "Go and sin no more" makes Jesus Christ of Nazareth intolerant is missing the point. He is about love so it would be contradictory for Him to send the woman off with a hidden, mean-spirited deman. Instead, imagine it coming from a loving, concerned Father. Having just saved her life, He wasn't giving a harsh command; He was offering the most caring advice possible. It's His way of saying, "I've forgiven you, now here's the best way to stay safe," essentially giving her a way to protect herself from returning to a destructive path.

Well said. Maybe my response came off wrong