Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

[Spiritual Jew]

What did Peter say to God in Acts 10:14?

Do you think that shows Peter understood that "the new covenant was established and the old covenant was made obsolete upon His shed blood on the cross"?

It doesn't matter if he understood it at that time or not! Is the truth based on what Peter understood at that particular time or on what scripture teaches? You waste so much time with these hypotheticals instead of dealing with what scripture actually teaches. Scripture clearly teaches that the new covenant was put into effect by the blood of Christ which also made the old covenant obsolete. That's our starting point. Why do you keep trying to get around this? Nothing changes this reality.

With the old covenant no longer being in effect because of being made obsolete, why would God expect people to continue following the old covenant law? He did not. But, it's not surprising that it took some time for some Jewish believers to realize that they were no longer under the old covenant, but were now under the new covenant. All they knew for a very long time was the old covenant law of Moses, so it naturally was not easy for them to get used to be under the new covenant law of Christ.

 

[sovereigngrace]

What did Peter say to God in Acts 10:14?

Do you think that shows Peter understood that "the new covenant was established and the old covenant was made obsolete upon His shed blood on the cross"?

Scripture describes the old covenant sacrificial system as “that which is done away” (2 Corinthians 3:11) and “that which is abolished” (2 Corinthians 3:13). It makes clear: “the old testament … vail is done away in Christ" (2 Corinthians 3:14). Hebrews 10:9 confirms: “He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” Hebrews 10:2 confirms they “ceased to be offered?

 

[Guojing]

With the old covenant no longer being in effect because of being made obsolete, why would God expect people to continue following the old covenant law?

There is a simpler explanation, but it won't matter to you.

 

[Hentenza]

So tell me what is James literally saying at Acts 21:20-25.

James is literally telling Paul to show the Jews his Jewishness. The Jews in Jerusalem that had accepted the Messiah still believed that they were Jews including all elements of their culture. They followed the law including the sacrifices because that it what Jews did for centuries. This is the same argument that Paul addresses in his epistles. Their social and religious life revolved around the temple and its activities. Plus they thought that Paul had brought a gentile into the temple which would defile the temple. This was not going to change overnight. James was afraid that the Jews would revolt against the Christians including Paul because of what Paul was teaching and they did eventually. Teaching that the law and the prophets were no longer necessary was a capital offense which is why Paul had to cite his Roman citizenship to survive.

Jesus gives us an idea of when this was going to change when He spoke of the total destruction of the temple. The ending of Matt. 23 is Jesus lamentation and grieving for Jerusalem and in the beginning of Matt. 24 Jesus tells His disciples that the temple would be destroyed which would virtually end both social and religious practices in the temple for the Jews.

I don’t have time to expand this more now but will be happy to later today.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

What do you believe happens at the Second Advent?

You seem to have misunderstood my reply. The phrase second advent or second coming of the Lord does not exist in the Bible. Therefore I believe the same exact things that have always happened when the Lord physically and literally comes down to earth will continue to happen. Judgement, overseeing calamity and to fulfill promise and prophecy,

You really should read that article I linked rather than assuming you understand the subject. There are a dozen examples in the Bible of the coming of the Lord.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

And your scriptures to back that up?

I already gave you an article with 3 chapters of from Isaiah that back that up. Start with it . If you need more I can show you more since there are a couple dozen chapters of it. Linked below.

The Bride of Christ

The Bibles prophecies about the free world. The New Jerusalem of Isaiah Chapters 54,60,65.

wordservice.org

 

[sovereigngrace]

You seem to have misunderstood my reply. The phrase second advent or second coming of the Lord does not exist in the Bible. Therefore I believe the same exact things that have always happened when the Lord physically and literally comes down to earth will continue to happen. Judgement, overseeing calamity and to fulfill promise and prophecy,

You really should read that article I linked rather than assuming you understand the subject. There are a dozen examples in the Bible of the coming of the Lord.

I do not typically hit outside links, because I cannot engage with them. I normally find posters do that when they cannot effectively outline in their own words what they believe.

What is your theological position?

 

[sovereigngrace]

James is literally telling Paul to show the Jews his Jewishness. The Jews in Jerusalem that had accepted the Messiah still believed that they were Jews including all elements of their culture. They followed the law including the sacrifices because that it what Jews did for centuries. This is the same argument that Paul addresses in his epistles. Their social and religious life revolved around the temple and its activities. Plus they thought that Paul had brought a gentile into the temple which would defile the temple. This was not going to change overnight. James was afraid that the Jews would revolt against the Christians including Paul because of what Paul was teaching and they did eventually. Teaching that the law and the prophets were no longer necessary was a capital offense which is why Paul had to cite his Roman citizenship to survive.

Jesus gives us an idea of when this was going to change when He spoke of the total destruction of the temple. The ending of Matt. 23 is Jesus lamentation and grieving for Jerusalem and in the beginning of Matt. 24 Jesus tells His disciples that the temple would be destroyed which would virtually end both social and religious practices in the temple for the Jews.

I don’t have time to expand this more now but will be happy to later today.

I agree. The thinking behind his actions is shown in 1 Corinthians 9:20-21 for all to see. None could doubt his overriding desire to see his fellow-religionists saved. He testified: “And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.”

I don’t see any deeper a meaning than this. Paul writings make it clear that the old covenant arrangement has been superseded by Christ and the new covenant. There was a religious / political aspect to the sacrifices that all Israelis were bound to as Jews in order to maintain their Jewish privileges.

 

[Guojing]

This is the same argument that Paul addresses in his epistles.

Actually if you don't insert any of your own interpretation, you can understand it literally as follows:

1. Jews who believed Christ as their Messiah continue to circumcise their kids and be zealous for the Law. (Acts 21:20)
2. Gentiles who believed are exempted. (Acts 21:25)

This tells you exactly what the Acts 15 Jerusalem council concluded.

But I understand you find it difficult not to try to make James agree with Paul in his epistles.

 

[Guojing]

The Jews in Jerusalem that had accepted the Messiah still believed that they were Jews including all elements of their culture. They followed the law including the sacrifices because that it what Jews did for centuries.

Jesus never said anything, even after he rose from the dead, that the Law is now optional for any of them (Matthew 28:20).

So if obedience to the Law was required to enter the kingdom before the cross, it continue to be required after the cross.

 

[Hentenza]

Actually if you don't insert any of your own interpretation, you can understand it literally as follows:

1. Jews who believed Christ as their Messiah continue to circumcise their kids and be zealous for the Law. (Acts 21:20)
2. Gentiles who believed are exempted. (Acts 21:25)

This tells you exactly what the Acts 15 Jerusalem council concluded.

But I understand you find it difficult not to try to make James agree with Paul in his epistles.

In only the context of Acts 21 I would agree with you but that is only one place in historical time. Of course there are still Christian’s sects that continue practicing the law like Messianic Jews and SDA.

But if we go with your interpretation across scripture and beyond this historical point then Paul is in tension with James and James is in tension with Jesus. That, of course, causes hermeneutical issues that should not be there.

BTW- it always make me laugh when someone that is inserting their interpretation to the text, accuse me of doing the same.

“But one who has looked intently at the perfect law, the law of freedom, and has continued in it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an active doer, this person will be blessed in what he does.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1‬:‭25‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

James 1:25 But one who has looked intently at the perfect law, the law of freedom, and has continued in it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an active doer, this person will be blessed in what he does. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NA

But one who has looked intently at the perfect law, the law of freedom, and has continued in it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an active doer, this person will be blessed in what he does.

bible.com

What do you think James means by the perfect law and the law of freedom?

 

[Hentenza]

Jesus never said anything, even after he rose from the dead, that the Law is now optional for any of them (Matthew 28:20).

Did you miss Jesus explaining that He fulfilled the law, became the Lord of the Sabbath, and taught His disciples that He was instituting two love commandments that encapsulated all of the law and the prophets?

So if obedience to the Law was required to enter the kingdom before the cross, it continue to be required after the cross.

Not in the way you mean it. Several passages of Scripture clearly establish that the coming of Christ has brought an end to the Mosaic Law.

Romans 10:4, “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Christ fulfilled the Ten Commandments by living a perfect and sinless life and so when man trusts in Christ as his Savior, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to that individual so we have justification (Romans 4) resulting in the fact that the Law can’t condemn us (Romans 4:4-8; 5:1, 7:1-6, 8:1).

Christ fulfilled the ceremonial ordinances, the shadows and types of His person and work, by dying on the cross for us and in our place.

Christ also fulfilled the Social Law, but now He replaces it with a new way of life fitting to our new salvation.

The believer now is under God’s new law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2-4).

Therefore, the doctrine of justification by means of faith in Jesus Christ upholds the Law for three reasons:

(1) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross satisfied the demands of God’s Law that required that human sin be judged (Romans 3:26).

(2) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by fulfilling the purpose of the Law in driving men to Jesus Christ as their Savior (Galatians 3:24).

(3) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by providing believers the capacity to obey the Law through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:3-4).

This is why I have stated in the past that the Holy Spirit gives us the knowledge of sin and the way to repentance since the law is not able to. This is why there is no longer condemnation for those in Christ (Rom. 8:1).

 

[Guojing]

BTW- it always make me laugh when someone that is inserting their interpretation to the text, accuse me of doing the same.

Explain how I insert my interpretation when I stated

1. Jews who believed Christ as their Messiah continue to circumcise their kids and be zealous for the Law. (Acts 21:20)
2. Gentiles who believed are exempted. (Acts 21:25)

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I do not typically hit outside links, because I cannot engage with them. I normally find posters do that when they cannot effectively outline in their own words what they believe.

What is your theological position?

Those are my words. but for you. I'll copy and paste them. Doubt thy will fit though.

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The Bible has dozens of examples of the Lord physically and literally came down to earth on certain days to administer judgment, oversee calamity and fulfill promise and prophecy. These days of the Lord where he physically and literally comes down to the planet is where the Bible's doctrine of the coming of the Lord comes hails from. What does not exist in the Bible is the phrase "the second coming." Unlike the phrase "the Trinity" that is also not in the Bible but that at least goes along with what the Bibles teaches. The idea of a "second" coming or advent changes the Bibles teaching on the matter and renders the Bible's prophecy incomprehensible. Which by the way is design of the phrase. To turn peoples eyes away from the supernatural clarity of the Bible's prophecy and turn those eyes to something the Bible does not prophesy at all. Apocalyptic end of the world scenarios. Here are just a few of the examples.​

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men were building. 6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people are one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. In that scenario of the coming the Lord he judged the wicked's plans of immediately bringing the new worlds entire population under subjection to a despotic, idolatrous empire. So you can see the judgment and the promised salvation. ​

Genesis 18:1. And Jehovah appeared to him [Abraham] in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;..... 17. And Jehovah said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;...... 20. And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21. I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come to me; and if not, I will know. Well known story. Judgment or natural calamity falls upon Sodom and Gomorrah and Lord offered to save all of lots extended family and friends but only Lot and his two daughters took up the offer. ​

Exodus 3: 7 And the Jehovah said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians. Same thing here. The coming of the Lord to judge the world and fulfill promise and prophecy about his people and plan in the earth. You can pretty much see the doctrine of the coming of the Lord established in just the first two books of the Bible. Although there are more instances in these two books. We'll skip over to the prophets where you will same the illustrative language used in the New Testament prophecy used in the Old Testament about things the Bible and history have recorded as fulfilled.​

This is Isaiah's prophecy of the destruction of Babylon at the hands of the Mead's. Isaiah 13:1 1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.......6 Howl you; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. ...... 9 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. 14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man takes up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined to them shall fall by the sword. 16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. 17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. 18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. 19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.​

This prophecy below is part of a series of prophecies from Isaiah about the nations Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon will conquer. Isaiah 19:1 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rides upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.....4 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, says the Lord, the LORD of hosts​

Notice how these two prophecies use the exact same illustrative language in the New testament to prophesy the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD? Matthew 24:29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mark 13:24. But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25. And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. Luke 21:25. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26. Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Revelations account of the same event- Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, look, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?​

This is a prophecy of the coming of the Lord in the destruction of the ten tribes of Israel at the hands of Assyria. Micah 1:2 Hear, all you people; listen, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the LORD from his holy temple. 3 For, behold, the LORD comes forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread on the high places of the earth. 4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire,.....6 Therefore I will make Samaria as an heap of the field, and as plantings of a vineyard... Now look at Peters use of the exact same illustrations. He quotes a number prophecies from the past of the coming of the Lord before he gets to exhorting the flock about the future using the exact same illustrative language of the coming of the Lord to past nations and empires. Here though, he is prophesying about the end of despotism their world lived under. You can see the chapters of prophecy in the picture at the beginning of this article to see exactly what world or age Peter is referring to. It is not a supernatural utopia with Jesus ruling a physical kingdom on earth but a world, unlike theirs, where righteousness dwells. 2 Peter 3: 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.​

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[Daniel Martinovich]

I do not typically hit outside links, because I cannot engage with them. I normally find posters do that when they cannot effectively outline in their own words what they believe.

What is your theological position?

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These are by no means all of the prophecies in the Old Testament that use the exact same illustrations the New Testament does to prophesy about Old or New Testament events of the coming or day of the Lord. There are so many of these events that use these illustrations in the Bible's prophecy that they could almost be looked at as idiomatic to the language of the Bible's prophets and the Holy Spirit that inspired them. Now we'll jump to the different prophecies about the coming of the Lord to nations, churches and empires that had not yet come to pass yet in the New Testaments prophecy. Already listed, Matthew 24 starts like this: 1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, See not all these things? Truly I say to you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age? Those that asked that question using that phrase had this prophecy in mind. A prophecy about when the messiah would come, (as a baby in a manger.) And when he does. the city of Jerusalem would be destroyed by a Roman prince. Titus. Turns out the 70 weeks were an illustration of 490 years. Jesus was crucified in the middle of the last 7 years. His apostles confirmed the covenant to Israel for the remainder of the seven years. Then the political class drove most of the believers out of Judea. That was followed by the destruction of the city and sanctuary in that very generation. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolation's are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate​

Apparently people were already wrestling with the erroneous idea of a second advent of the the Lord. So John in his gospel saw fit to correct that idea in this passage. John was the only apostle to live to see the coming of the Lord at the end of the Old Covenant age. John 21: 21. Peter seeing him said to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22. Jesus answers him, If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? Follow me. 23. Then this saying abroad went out among the brothers, that this disciple [John] should not die: [they were thinking rapture] yet Jesus did not say to him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?​

The other prophesied episodes of the coming of the Lord were to six of the seven churches in Revelation 2-3. To judge, oversee calamity, fulfill promise and prophecy. Very doubtful that was one event but rather six different events. The last remaining one is the coming of the Lord in Revelation 19 in the final judgment of the Roman Empire at its end in 1453 AD. The promise and prophecy to now begin to be fulfilled by his coming then, is the beginning of the promised age of billions coming to Christ and a growing free world pioneered by Christians for his creation to live in. In that chapter the Lord is illustrated as coming with all his saints, the armies of heaven. What that illustrates is the work, the labors, the sufferings of all the saints that went before, especially in the writing and preserving of his written Word would now begin to bear its fruit in the world. Again, many of those prophecies about this promised age, the ones the Lord really wants us to pay attention to, are in the picture at the beginning of this article. Not a supernatural utopia but a free world that has to be won by winning souls, influencing populations and defeating mankind's oppressors. Exactly the way it has been happening now for 500 years. So; When the angels said this: Acts 1:11 .... You men of Galilee, why stand gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen him go into heaven. They were not talking about a second advent but simply articulating the doctrine of the coming of the Lord and that this man Jesus, who is, who was and is to come- is Jehovah the Word. The one who will come again, (many times) to judge the world, oversee calamity, fulfill promise and prophecy just like he has been doing since the book of Genesis. It is just that now he does this as the risen Messiah, the descendant of Abraham and David. the inheritor of the world.​

Now to drive this home by putting it into a more modern context, because the Lord is still physically\ literally coming down to earth to do what he has always done. You might just never hear a prophecy of his coming today and if you do, if it is real, it will not be about a second advent, even if the people prophesying and hearing it think it is. Here is a great example of the way past generations of Christians looked at the subject. Generations that were were far more educated in God's Word than today's Bible illiterate, public school educated, pop culture Christians. This is the theme song of the America's Civil War about the coming of the Lord; to judge the oppressors and fulfill promise and prophecy of the end of legal slavery, that was to follow everywhere despotic human government is overthrown. Psalm 72: 4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.​

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord: He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on.
(Chorus) Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! His truth is marching on.
I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps, They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps; I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps: His day is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! His day is marching on.
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal; Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel, Since God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Since God is marching on.
He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat: Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is marching on.
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! While God is marching on.
He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, He is Wisdom to the mighty, He is Succour to the brave, So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of Time His slave, Our God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is marching on.​

 

[keras]

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:

Ezekiel 43:1-9 I went to the East gate and there I saw the glory of the Lord coming with the sound of a mighty torrent. The earth shone with His glory, it came in and filled the Temple, the place of His throne where He will dwell among the Israelites forever. Neither they nor their rulers will defy the Lord again by their idolatry and sins. Israelites; every faithful Christian. Galatians 3:26-29

Ezekiel 43:10-11 Ezekiel, tell them about the Temple and let them be ashamed for their sins. If they repent and are remorseful for what they have done, then describe to them the new Temple, to be built on the Holy mountain. Make detailed plans for them to follow and carry out, with all the instructions for its operation.

Ezekiel 46:1-3The East gate is to be kept closed during the six days of the working week, to be opened only on Sabbaths and at the new moon. When the ruler, [The prince in the NIV & KJV] comes in, he is to stand by the East gatepost, while the priests sacrifice his offerings. He is to bow down in worship and then to leave. The people must also bow in worship at that gate. Malachi 1:5

Ezekiel, the prophet, lived during the period between the exile of the Northern tribes and the Jewish captivity. His prophecies about the Land and the Temple have not yet happened, as when the Jewish remnant returned under Nehemiah, that Temple did not receive the Shekinah Glory. All of Ezekiel chapters 40 – 48, await fulfilment and note that this must be before the Return of Jesus, as the ‘ruler’ of all of Gods Christian peoples, makes sacrifices and worships the Lord at the New Temple. Jeremiah 30:21, Zechariah 14:21

He is tramping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored Isaiah 63:1-6

Revelation 14:18-20 From the altar came the angel who has authority over fire and he called out to the angel with the sharp sickle: “Gather the harvest, the grape clusters are ripe.” They were gathered and thrown into the great winepress of God’s wrath. Blood flowed from the press for 200 miles. Amos 5:17, Jer. 6:9

He has loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword

Ezekiel 30:1-8 Prophesy! The Lord says: Cry out, for the terrible Day is near, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, His Day of Reckoning upon the nations. A sword will come upon Egypt and there will be disaster in all of the Arab lands. Those who support Egypt will fall and all who live along the Nile will die. When I set Egypt on fire, the land will become totally desolate and ruined. They will all know that I am the Lord, on that Day. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.

The Lord’s Day of reckoning – a Day of fire, His terrible Day of vengeance and wrath, will be an unexpected and shocking event, that will cause destruction throughout the Middle East. It will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11-12. Other prophesies make it clear that the whole world will be affected and that it will take the form of a Coronal Mass Ejection sunstrike. A really big CME will have all the effects described, but it quickly passes, leaving the Holy Land ready for His Christian people to gather and settle there. The rest of the world’s nations will form a One world Government.

His Truth is marching on!

 

[Spiritual Jew]

There is a simpler explanation, but it won't matter to you.

Your repeated false explanations don't matter to me. You're right about that. But, that doesn't mean you can't share your opinions. Others can read your posts, too. If you think your explanation is the truth, then you should share it.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Jesus never said anything, even after he rose from the dead, that the Law is now optional for any of them (Matthew 28:20).

So if obedience to the Law was required to enter the kingdom before the cross, it continue to be required after the cross.

You continue to just ignore the fact that scripture teaches that the old covenant law was made obsolete (was no longer in effect) by the blood of Christ, which also established the new covenant, as written in Hebrews 8-10. Nothing you say can change that.

 

[Guojing]

If you think your explanation is the truth, then you should share it.

The Body of Christ is NOT the Israel of God.

 

[keras]

The Body of Christ is NOT the Israel of God.

The Christian people are the Overcomers for God, just as Jacob was. His name was changed to Israel, which is Hebrew for an Overcomer for God.
They are seen in each of the 7 Church's of Revelation. Christians are therefore; the Israel of God.
Your comment above is untrue and is a serious contradiction of scripture.