Campus Prayer at Univ. of South Florida interrupted by harassers; felony hate crime charges filed against two men

[essentialsaltes]

we happen to be the easiest country to infiltrate, because we are a nation of immigrants and civil rights, with a large multicultural population, that is used to acculturation

Those are all great things!

 

[rambot]

Awe, that's so sad. Thing is, as a Catholic, I get to hear my own friends and coworkers rag about my religion my entire life. Anyone see me weeping about it? No. You get over it and move on. It's called being humble.

ITs' easy to be humble when your religion exhibits FAR more control over your society than a minority religion.


But that gets complex and empathy becomes important.

 

[rambot]

Looking at the history of Islam, it has always used the method of acculturation to infiltrate it's Arabian, African, and Asian neighbors. This is the same game being repeated, over and over...

...We have a problem on our hands.

Changes of Culture In Islamic History | History of Islam Changes of Culture In Islamic History | History of Islam

I'd wager if you'd do a study, you'd find that Muslim youth are far more likely to librealize in their faith than radicalize America.

https://www.cato.org/blog/us-muslims-become-more-socially-liberal-muslim-immigration-rises

 

[Fervent]

I'd wager if you'd do a study, you'd find that Muslim youth are far more likely to librealize in their faith than radicalize America.

https://www.cato.org/blog/us-muslims-become-more-socially-liberal-muslim-immigration-rises

For a time, but the way the religious practices create a sense of communal submission with its rigid schedules and structured prayer that liberalization will be short lived when those pulling the levers shift gears. Then they'll be forced to choose between their liberalized values and their religious identity...and it remains to be seen how most will break, especially considering the penalties involved for apostasy.

 

[rambot]

For a time, but the way the religious practices create a sense of communal submission with its rigid schedules and structured prayer that liberalization will be short lived when those pulling the levers shift gears. Then they'll be forced to choose between their liberalized values and their religious identity...and it remains to be seen how most will break, especially considering the penalties involved for apostasy.

You do recognize this is a pretty flimsy and FAR from a predicable and certain future. Like FAAAAR from it.


I don't think you quite understand how efficient Western Society is at breaking down religion. IF it can do it to Christianity, why do you thiink it couldn't do it for Muslims?

Do you think the liberals of ANY religion are really and truly worried about claims of apostasy from the rigidly orthodox bent of their religion?

When we start seeing those punishments (For apostasy) NOT getting punished by the system, THEN, they have won.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I don't think you quite understand how efficient Western Society is at breaking down religion.

When has Western Society broken down Islam in the past? I can tell you, it never has, without it being a bloody mess.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Those are all great things!

I know that, but on the flip side, it makes us vulnerable in ways other countries aren't.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I'd wager if you'd do a study, you'd find that Muslim youth are far more likely to librealize in their faith than radicalize America.

https://www.cato.org/blog/us-muslims-become-more-socially-liberal-muslim-immigration-rises

Acculturation (with a focus on bi-culturalism) is a two-way street. In the end, the resulting proportions will depend on which culture has more zeal. If you think your democratic values are stronger, then by all means put it to test, but don't be surprised later, when things turn out not as you expected.

We're entering uncharted territory.

 

[BCP1928]

So I get it--what you are trying to do is to is paint pro-labor politics as part of a Muslim plan to take over the world?

 

[Landon Caeli]

So I get it--what you are trying to do is to is paint pro-labor politics as part of a Muslim plan to take over the world?

This thread has nothing to do with labor. I think you posted in the wrong thread.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So I get it--what you are trying to do is to is paint pro-labor politics as part of a Muslim plan to take over the world?

No, I think it's that preventing people from the dominant religion from harassing Muslims makes Islam the real dominant religion (and it will take over the world).

 

[rambot]

Acculturation (with a focus on bi-culturalism) is a two-way street. In the end, the resulting proportions will depend on which culture has more zeal. If you think your democratic values are stronger, then by all means put it to test, but don't be surprised later, when things turn out not as you expected.

We're entering uncharted territory.

Yeah. You've never been worried about immigrants coming to the US before.

 

[rambot]

When has Western Society broken down Islam in the past? I can tell you, it never has, without it being a bloody mess.

Well, it's doing it right now according to the article I posted.

 

[Fervent]

You do recognize this is a pretty flimsy and FAR from a predicable and certain future. Like FAAAAR from it.

I think you're underappreciating the way Islamic practices dissolve individual conscience.

I don't think you quite understand how efficient Western Society is at breaking down religion. IF it can do it to Christianity, why do you thiink it couldn't do it for Muslims?

What's breaking down with Christianity is the individualistic elements as people move towards greater and greater degrees of solipsistic thinking. Islam's practices create more of a hivemind corporate identity that is much harder to dissolve.

Do you think the liberals of ANY religion are really and truly worried about claims of apostasy from the rigidly orthodox bent of their religion?

I think you're underappreciating just how deep Muslim identity runs as a corporate identity. Some may not care about apostasy claims, but the penalties go far beyond just harsh words.

When we start seeing those punishments (For apostasy) NOT getting punished by the system, THEN, they have won.

Why wait until they've "won"?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Yeah. You've never been worried about immigrants coming to the US before.

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Thank you for the victory confirmation.

"When they can't challenge the message, they attack the messenger"

 

[Landon Caeli]

The following 'response' to the over-reactions mentioned in the OP, will hit the very heart of this problem.

"President Donald Trump has signaled that he is planning to designate the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization after several groups have stepped up warnings in recent months that the Islamist group is gaining a foothold in the U.S.

It will be done in the strongest and most powerful terms," Trump told Just the News over the weekend. "Final documents are being drawn."

Trump signals plan to designate Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization

President Trump signals final documents being prepared to label Muslim Brotherhood terrorist group amid growing concerns over the Islamist organization.

www.foxnews.com

 

[rambot]

Thank you for the victory confirmation.

"When they can't challenge the message, they attack the messenger"

How many times throughout history do Americans have to be terrified of Immigrants before you realize "oh...it's a nothing burger".

Irish came? EWWW!! Catholics
Italians came? Eeeewww gansters
Polish people came? they're so dumb and dirty.

 

[Landon Caeli]

How many times throughout history do Americans have to be terrified of Immigrants before you realize "oh...it's a nothing burger".

Irish came? EWWW!! Catholics
Italians came? Eeeewww gansters
Polish people came? they're so dumb and dirty.

How many of those you mentioned came with the goal of implementing foreign policy in America? None? Oh, I guess that's the difference.

Now we see that waving bacon and non-violent speech is being prosecuted as a hate crime, just like 'back home'.

 

[rambot]

How many of those you mentioned came with the goal of implementing foreign policy in America? None? Oh, I guess that's the difference.

Now we see that waving bacon and non-violent speech is being prosecuted as a hate crime.

If only you could just be allowed to be an a-hole in America, then America would be a better place.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Looking at the history of Islam, it has always used the method of acculturation to infiltrate it's Arabian, African, and Asian neighbors. This is the same game being repeated, over and over...

...We have a problem on our hands.

There's an aspect of Islam that separates it from the other Abrahamic religions... and it's one that people rarely talk about (amid the bickering of "whose book technically has the most violent verse in it", "who did the most recent thing that could be construed as terrorism", etc...)

And that is, Islam (via the texts) also act as a political prescription.

While the other 2 certainly have verses that could potentially influence how a person may vote, that's different from being the aforementioned political prescription.

Early Islamic texts (Quran and Hadith) contain structures and policy guidelines on inheritance, contract enforcement, taxation, warfare, judicial procedure, wealth distribution, and governance.

Islam, compared to other religions, integrated religion and political authority right out of the gate, whereas others developed politically oriented systems later (e.g., canon law).

There's also aspects of Islam that encourage pro-natalist (have a bunch of babies) specifically for the purpose of "outbreeding" the other religions.

There was an Islamic leader (and I believe it was someone from the Muslim Brotherhood, the group you mentioned) who recently did an interview and said - paraphrasing - "for the vision of Sharia's future in Western countries, ballots are the new bullets, we used to say democracy was haram, but now I say participation in democracies using greater numbers will be our jihad"


It's the reason why the only Theocracies left on the globe are all for that that particular religion. (with the exception of Vatican City which I guess technically would count if you wanted to that a real country).