Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

[Hentenza]

God is described in the Bible by hundreds of distinct names, titles, and descriptive attributes.

The descriptions fall into two main categories:

Names and Titles
The Bible uses a variety of specific names and titles to refer to God, revealing different aspects of His character and relationship with humanity.

• Yahweh (Jehovah): The personal covenant name of God, often translated as "LORD".
• Elohim: The plural form of El, meaning "God," emphasizing His power as the Creator and Judge.
• El Shaddai: Meaning "Almighty God" or "All-Sufficient One".
• Adonai: Meaning "Lord" or "Master".
• Alpha and Omega: The "Beginning and the End".
• The Ancient of Days: Emphasizing His eternal nature.
• Immanuel: Meaning "God with us".
• Prince of Peace: A Messianic title for God the Son, Jesus Christ.

Attributes and Characteristics
God is also described through numerous attributes that detail His nature and character. These descriptions appear in countless verses throughout the Bible. Key attributes include:

• Omnipotent: All-powerful.
• Omniscient: All-knowing.
• Omnipresent: Present everywhere at all times.
• Eternal: Without origin or end.
• Immutable: Unchanging.
• Holy: Set apart from all moral defilement and perfect.
• Just and Merciful: Always doing right while also showing compassion and grace.
• Love: His very nature is love.
• A Consuming Fire: Describing His holiness and judgment against sin.
• Spirit: Indicating He has no physical form.

Ultimately, the vast number of descriptions illustrates the belief that God is an infinite being who cannot be fully defined by human language, but reveals aspects of Himself through His Word.

I’m well aware. Thanks.

 

[Fervent]

God is described in the Bible by hundreds of distinct names, titles, and descriptive attributes.

The descriptions fall into two main categories:

Names and Titles
The Bible uses a variety of specific names and titles to refer to God, revealing different aspects of His character and relationship with humanity.

• Yahweh (Jehovah): The personal covenant name of God, often translated as "LORD".
• Elohim: The plural form of El, meaning "God," emphasizing His power as the Creator and Judge.
• El Shaddai: Meaning "Almighty God" or "All-Sufficient One".
• Adonai: Meaning "Lord" or "Master".
• Alpha and Omega: The "Beginning and the End".
• The Ancient of Days: Emphasizing His eternal nature.
• Immanuel: Meaning "God with us".
• Prince of Peace: A Messianic title for God the Son, Jesus Christ.

Attributes and Characteristics
God is also described through numerous attributes that detail His nature and character. These descriptions appear in countless verses throughout the Bible. Key attributes include:

• Omnipotent: All-powerful.
• Omniscient: All-knowing.
• Omnipresent: Present everywhere at all times.
• Eternal: Without origin or end.
• Immutable: Unchanging.
• Holy: Set apart from all moral defilement and perfect.
• Just and Merciful: Always doing right while also showing compassion and grace.
• Love: His very nature is love.
• A Consuming Fire: Describing His holiness and judgment against sin.
• Spirit: Indicating He has no physical form.

Ultimately, the vast number of descriptions illustrates the belief that God is an infinite being who cannot be fully defined by human language, but reveals aspects of Himself through His Word.

there is only one name given, though there are numerous titles. And your list left off the most important attribute contained within God's name: Aseity.

 

[timothyu]

Please identify who the "we" are that you speak of, it sounds like your not making any distinction between the children of God and the children of the Devil.

All are free to make the choice. Jesus didn't say my people over here and repent, the rest over there and never mind understanding the Gospel of the Kingdom that says God will overcome all adversity and take government away from both elohim and mankind. That's like saying voters don't have a choice in who they side with. But yes, God does not deal with closed minds. It is these who seek division, while God seeks to reunite. But yes, Jesus was thankful for those whom the father had given him.

 

[Dan1988]

Your doctrine makes no sense and is totally unbiblical.


II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

If it were all laid out in stone as you suggest, than God would not have to be so long suffering. If he's already giving them the gift of repentance, why is he so long suffering?


Another unbiblical statement. But yes, let's continue to redefine,-death, perish, destroy, etc..

This verse will always ring true-

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

To state anything other than what this verse plainly states would be a lie. Only one person gets life in that equation. The other perishes.​

So he created some people he chose to burn for an eternity? Are you actually hearing yourself?

You are confusing certain elect with other Christians. But that's another subject for another day.....


Wow, says the person that posts this-



Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

Where's the present and future in that?



So you are basically stating this verse isn't true?

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

We will always fall short and sin in the flesh but to say that verse is not possible is untrue. One can always mature as a Christian and then it becomes easier to put God's will over our own. When we fall, we get back on path. But to say it doesn't matter, we cant change is unbiblical. Repentance is a change of heart and mind. To think differently So your doctrine does not come from the Word of God.


Christ would state something very different to the Christian churches that had fallen away. Only those that overcome from what where they had fallen would not have their names blotted out. Those that overcome would not be in danger of the second death. Christ is telling people to repent over and over. He's not giving them the gift of repentance. Upon belief in him and true repentance we are given the gift of eternal life. Where are you getting this stuff? The ones he's telling to repent are Christian churches. Why is he telling them to repent if he's already given them the gift of repentance? You make no sense and yet continually insult others on their beliefs.

I John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"

If you continue to walk in darkness the truth is not even in you.

It sounds like you're just making up things as you go along because what you are stating is not biblical. Indoctrinated it sounds like. I was once there as well. But the truth can really set us free.

You have placed your faith in Jacob Arminius, but you will never find a single verse in the bible to support your "saved by works" version of the gospel.
I see you have taken every verse out of it's intended context and twisted it's to change it's meaning to suit your works based version of the gospel.

I have presented the gospel, as it is in the Bible but you reject it because it offends you, and here's why IO believe you are offended.
This is speaking about the two kinds of people responding to the gospel. >>2 Cor 2:16 To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things?

To me the gospel is the aroma of life, so I love it. You reject it because you can't stand the fact that God has the right to do what ever He wants with His creation. God said He elected some for honour and some for dishonour but you reject what God has said.

I praise God for tormenting sinners in hell for all eternity, just as I praise Him for everything else He does. You can't praise Him if you don't agree with what He does.

The gospel confirms that Christ has atoned for all of the past, present and future sins of Gods people. We are dead to sin, and death ha lost it's power over us. We already have eternal life, we are already saved, we're not working to earn our salvation as you and all the followers of Jacob Arminius are.

 

[Dan1988]

"34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments." Luke 23:34 ESV

"9 However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”[b]—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us." 1 Corinthians 2


"31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:31-32 ESV

"34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments." Luke 23:34 ESV

"9 However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”[b]—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us." 1 Corinthians 2


"31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:31-32 ESV

It's one thing to pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and then apply your unbiblical interpretation to them. You quote "Father forgive them", but you don't tell us who the "them" are so you leave us confused.

You then go on to quote other verses about what God has revealed to us by His Spirit, but again you give us no clue as to what those things are, leaving us even more confused.

You even quote a verse which confirms what I stated, without even knowing you shot yourself in the foot. >>>> "In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God".

As you can see, nobody knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. So please stop pretending that you're an exception to the rule.

 

[Dan1988]

I’m well aware. Thanks.

Glad to hear it, just wanted to be sure, cheers

 

[Dan1988]

there is only one name given, though there are numerous titles. And your list left off the most important attribute contained within God's name: Aseity.

I'm not sure where you got that from, but there is only One true and proper Name for God and that is "The LORD" nobody can argue against that fact.

 

[Dan1988]

All are free to make the choice. Jesus didn't say my people over here and repent, the rest over there and never mind understanding the Gospel of the Kingdom that says God will overcome all adversity and take government away from both elohim and mankind. That's like saying voters don't have a choice in who they side with. But yes, God does not deal with closed minds. It is these who seek division, while God seeks to reunite. But yes, Jesus was thankful for those whom the father had given him.

I don't follow your narrative here, I referred to scriptures which confirm that mankind is not free to make a choice at all. That's just wishful thinking, you won't find a single verse in the Bible to support your theory.

Now for a dose of the bitter medicine, also known as the awful truth. Here are some verses describing your free choice movement. >>>

Biblical Verses on the Fallen State (Total Depravity) these support the idea that sin has corrupted every aspect of human nature.

• Genesis 6:5 emphasizing the continuous evil intentions of the human heart.
• Psalm 14:1-3 (and repeated in Psalm 53:1-3, quoted in Romans 3:10-12) stating that "there is none who does good".
• Psalm 51:5 on being conceived in sin.
• Jeremiah 17:9 describing the heart as deceitful and sick.
• Romans 3:10-12, 23 which asserts that no one is righteous or seeks God, and all have sinned.
• Romans 8:7-8 stating the depraved mind is hostile to God and cannot please Him.
• Ephesians 2:1-3 describing individuals as dead in sin and children of wrath by nature.

Biblical Verses on the Inability to Believe (Total Inability)
Verses cited to show that a person cannot initiate a relationship with God or believe without God's intervention include:

• John 3:3 indicating one must be born again to see God's kingdom.
• John 6:44, 65 stating no one can come to Jesus unless drawn by the Father.
• John 8:43-44 where Jesus questions why people cannot hear his word.
• Romans 9:16 attributing salvation to God's mercy, not human will.
• 1 Corinthians 2:14 noting the natural person cannot understand spiritual truths.
• Ephesians 2:4-5 highlighting God's role in making those dead in sin alive with Christ.
• Philippians 2:13 crediting God with working in believers to will and act according to His pleasure.
  
  
  

 

[RamiC]

It's one thing to pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and then apply your unbiblical interpretation to them. You quote "Father forgive them", but you don't tell us who the "them" are so you leave us confused.

What is out of context?

You then go on to quote other verses about what God has revealed to us by His Spirit, but again you give us no clue as to what those things are, leaving us even more confused.

Do you believe people can know things that are revealed by the Holy Spirit or not? You seem to believe that there are things revealed by God to people, while also that if anyone thinks they know those things, that is "witchcraft"?

As you can see, nobody knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. So please stop pretending that you're an exception to the rule.

How am I excempting myself from a rule?

 

[JulieB67]

ou have placed your faith in Jacob Arminius, but you will never find a single verse in the bible to support your "saved by works" version of the gospel.
I see you have taken every verse out of it's intended context and twisted it's to change it's meaning to suit your works based version of the gospel.

I have presented the gospel, as it is in the Bible but you reject it because it offends you, and here's why IO believe you are offended.
This is speaking about the two kinds of people responding to the gospel. >>2 Cor 2:16 To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things?

To me the gospel is the aroma of life, so I love it. You reject it because you can't stand the fact that God has the right to do what ever He wants with His creation. God said He elected some for honour and some for dishonour but you reject what God has said.

I praise God for tormenting sinners in hell for all eternity, just as I praise Him for everything else He does. You can't praise Him if you don't agree with what He does.

The gospel confirms that Christ has atoned for all of the past, present and future sins of Gods people. We are dead to sin, and death ha lost it's power over us. We already have eternal life, we are already saved, we're not working to earn our salvation as you and all the followers of Jacob Arminius are.

I figured you couldn't answer direct questions found in the bible and would completely sidetrack in another direction. And I was correct in that assumption.

You have placed your faith in Jacob Arminius, but you will never find a single verse in the bible to support your "saved by works" version of the gospel.

You have pulled this statement out of nowhere. And it's a lie. I didn't state anything about anyone saved by works. Works come naturally by way of faith. But when someone doesn't have answers I guess they have to make something up.

I see you have taken every verse out of it's intended context and twisted it's to change it's meaning to suit your works based version of the gospel.

The entire bible has to be taken as a whole -chapter by chapter and verse by verse to not lose context. Something I doubt you've ever seriously done. But by all means break down the scripture I have posted and tell me what's been taken out of context and tell me your beliefs about those verses. If one can't have a serious discussion on here about scripture, this is pointless.

but you reject it

No, again, I take the bible as a whole. I don't cherry pick a few verses to produce a doctrine and reject the rest. That's not sound at all to do so.

you and all the followers of Jacob Arminius are.

Lies. Show me one post where I have ever stated one must do works in order to be saved? I've always talked about repentance, etc. Christ taught repentance over and over. I follow God's word. Not man's.

I was indoctrinated years ago in a church with many false doctrines and left my because of it. I follow nothing but God's word. It's good to have certain teachers but one should always test man's word verses what's being told in God's Word. If you are going to a church to sit on a pew every Sunday to get a few verses of God's word followed by a personal sermon written by man -you would probably spend a lifetime only receiving milk. I've learned much more with just my Bible (and Hebrew/Greek study tools) than from my Baptist church over many years. We have to be careful.

Again, I do not believe works will get you salvation. I believe upon true repentance, works "naturally" come from the heart. They are proof in many times of our salvation, not the other way around.

Are you stating this isn't you?

Ephesians 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."


If someone hasn't found true repentance than I doubt they have as John states the truth in them. You can't just say I'm saved and have no real change come upon you and go about your merry way, living your life without a care in the world. That's not salvation. But hey, to each his own....