the myth of flat earth debunked again

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Because they were serving the legitimate hier of Rome. Some didn’t of course.

But they didn't. Because there was no legitimate heir of Rome.

 

[jonojim1337]

Yes. Because they are one and the same on a spherical globe.

They can’t be one and the same because the vanishing point is a function of optics and perspective and nothing else.

 

[jonojim1337]

But they didn't. Because there was no legitimate heir of Rome.

Liar.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yeah I’m pretty sure you can find intermarriages between them.

Just because Russia claims they're the heirs of Rome does not mean they are.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

They can’t be one and the same because the vanishing point is a function of optics and perspective and nothing else.

It's horizon that is the vanishing point on a spherical Earth.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Liar.

Telling the truth.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

But that’s not how it works. The Russian monarchy was well incorporated into the Byzantine Empire when the Turks took over.

What? When was Muscovy part of the Byzantine empire?

 

[jonojim1337]

Telling the truth.

So how did Ivan inherit the title Tsar? King and prince is also a title of the Roman Empire.

 

[Apple Sky]

So why did they remove it from the maps

Here is a real map of where Tartaria used to be.

 

[Strong in Him]

What is your eviendence for believing that they are ?

I would imagine, a few thousand text books

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So how did Ivan inherit the title Tsar? King and prince is also a title of the Roman Empire.

He didn't 'inherit' anything. The Russian principalities had contact with the Eastern Roman Empire and so knew Latin from them, and when Ivan became the leader of Muscovy and began to expand his power west, he needed a title to legitimize his rule. Since he knew the Latin term, he took that and Russified it to fit the Russian language.

Ivan the Terrible didn't inherit squat.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Here is a real map of where Tartaria used to be.

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And that just shows that your understanding of world history is the same as your understanding of... oh, so much else; very little.

 

[jonojim1337]

He didn't 'inherit' anything. The Russian principalities had contact with the Eastern Roman Empire and so knew Latin from them, and when Ivan became the leader of Muscovy and began to expand his power west, he needed a title to legitimize his rule. Since he knew the Latin term, he took that and Russified it to fit the Russian language.

Ivan the Terrible didn't inherit squat.

That’s a lie sir. And I don’t even know where Latin fits into the picture. He was fighting the Latins.

 

[Apple Sky]

I would imagine, a few thousand text books

Hearsay again, there's no physical evidence.

 

[jonojim1337]

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That’s a lie sir. And I don’t even know where Latin fits into the picture. He was fighting the Latins.

Not a single lie in what I said. And I'm sorry... but to say that the Russians were the heir to the Romans and then say that Latin doesn't fit into the picture? Latin... the language OF the Roman Empire...

 

[jonojim1337]

Not a single lie in what I said. And I'm sorry... but to say that the Russians were the heir to the Romans and then say that Latin doesn't fit into the picture? Latin... the language OF the Roman Empire...

Your saying his claim was simply because he knew the language. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. And let me tell you the Habsburgs validated their claim as emperors in correspondence. Beside them there were no contenders.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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The section "Mythological lineage" says it all.

Also:

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Your saying his claim was simply because he knew the language. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. And let me tell you the Habsburgs validated their claim as emperors in correspondence. Beside them there were no contenders.

Not what I said at all, which throws into question so much of what you've already written.

There were no contenders for the heir of Rome.... BECAUSE THERE WERE NONE. The Roman Empire fell in 1453, with not one single power taking over from it as heirs. Historical fact.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So how did Ivan inherit the title Tsar?

The same way Wilhelm inherited the title Kaiser. Somebody before him assumed the title, and it became a standard word for the ruler in related languages/lands.

Tsar ... is a title historically used by Slavic monarchs. The term is derived from the Latin word caesar,[2] which was intended to mean emperor in the European medieval sense of the term—a ruler with the same rank as a Roman emperor, holding it by the approval of another emperor or a supreme ecclesiastical official—but was usually considered by Western Europeans to be equivalent to "king".

Tsar and its variants were the official titles in the First Bulgarian Empire (681–1018), Second Bulgarian Empire (1185–1396), the Kingdom of Bulgaria (1908–1946), the Serbian Empire(1346–1371), and the Tsardom of Russia (1547–1721). The first ruler to adopt the title tsarwas Simeon I of Bulgaria.

[Halfway through his reign, Simeon assumed the title of "emperor" (Tsar)]

With respect to Russia specifically:

The title-inflation [the assumption of being tsar] related to Russia's growing ambitions to become an Orthodox "third Rome", after the fall of Constantinople in 1453. The monarch in Moscow was recognized as an emperor by Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian I in 1514.

So one soi disant Roman emperor recognized another.