The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[Yarddog]

Ive seen a lot of it including curriculum from the schools. I've seen the books and whats in them. I've read the material. It does NOT belong in the schools. There is no reason for it except to expose children to indoctrination. Kids are not psychologically prepared to deal with that kind of sexual influences.

The left is so determined to introduce kids to this younger and younger. Its unconscionable.

So, you are not going tell us what you have actually seen. I was a volunteer in local schools and I saw nothing.

 

[Yarddog]

Huh?....checking..... can't find where you said that and where it tied into what I said and agreed with you on anything.

Read post #48. That is where I asked about this. You cut in to that conversation without knowing what it was about.

 

[Larniavc]

No, the child is being forced to participate in the sin of the adult which harms the child.

We know that sexual abuse often causes psychological damage to tge point where later the child becomes an offender themselves.

Often?

 

[Larniavc]

No

Then why did you say it?

 

[Larniavc]

Homesexual experimentation can cause psychological damage to a child leading then to believe they are gay when they may not be.

It’s not a choice what gender you are attracted to. A straight guy isn’t attracted to guys. That’s the whole point of being straight.

If you can’t be encouraged to be gay if you are straight.

 

[Larniavc]

Nope drag queens are trying to queen the kids.

Drag, is typically a sexual perversion. Men getting their jollies by dressing up in womens clothes and acting out their perversion on stage.

Nonsense. It’s no more harmless than a pantomime dame.

 

[Larniavc]

Why are you so keen on exposing children to perversion?

It’s not perversion. You are projecting your irrational fears onto harmless drag queens.

 

[The Righterzpen]

You are reading it wrong, you still need to suffer from gender dysphoria to get access to medical treatments. But being trans is not equivalent to suffering from gender dysphoria. Transgender is not a psychiatric diagnosis at all. And haven't ever been in DSM-5.

Think about what it means to “transition”. There’s “social transition” and there’s “medical transition”. You are correct that “transition” is not a medical diagnosis and is not (and never was) in the DSM.

What is in the DSM is “gender dysphoria” and the “treatment” for gender dysphoria is “transition“; (social or medical, or both).

Not everyone “transitions” medically. And people who claim to be “trans” may not have a formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria because they didn’t go to a psychologist to get one. Though they still may meet the criteria for gender dysphoria.

 

[Larniavc]

Tie that with the total depravity and perversion in the drag culture

More projection.

 

[A2SG]

It’s not a choice what gender you are attracted to. A straight guy isn’t attracted to guys. That’s the whole point of being straight.

If you can’t be encouraged to be gay if you are straight.

And vice versa, which is why conversion therapy doesn't work.

-- A2SG, no matter how much some people try to force it to.....

 

[The Righterzpen]

The few studies on regret rates show them to be in single percents, iirc. Which is low for medical treatments.

Besides sex reassignment surgery, most interventions are almost reversible. For MtF extra breast tissue would of course have to be surgically removed.

When SBU (Swedish Agency for Health Technology Assessment and Assessment of Social Services) reviewed GnRH antagonists the only medical risk they identified was lower bone density, which at least partly (perhaps fully, not enough follow up time) seemed to be relieved when taking exogenous hormones or going off GnRH. That was why they stopped recommending GnRH antagonists.

For the people who want to continue making money off of these “treatments” of course their data is going to be skewed! If you don’t think big pharma’s “studies” fudge data; take a look at all nonsense that went on with Covid.

Sex reassignment surgery was tried by Harvard back in the 60’s and they were such a dismal failure (particularly regarding the psychiatric conditions of the patients) that they stopped doing them because too many patients were committing suicide.

And do you think the psychiatric condition of people with the disorder has changed that much in 60 years? I don’t believe for a hot second that the data you’re reading is accurate.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Think about what it means to “transition”. There’s “social transition” and there’s “medical transition”. You are correct that “transition” is not a medical diagnosis and is not (and never was) in the DSM.

What is in the DSM is “gender dysphoria” and the “treatment” for gender dysphoria is “transition“; (social or medical, or both).

Not everyone “transitions” medically. And people who claim to be “trans” may not have a formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria because they didn’t go to a psychologist to get one. Though they still may meet the criteria for gender dysphoria.

Trans in transgender is not short for transition. It comes from from latin's cis and trans (the same side and the other side). In swedish you might see the word transition but it is an anglicism and it is not listed in the dictionary. We say that they do a "könsbyte" medically, socially or legally.

Of course there are a lot of trans persons that suffer from gender dysphoria diagnosed or not, but not all trans persons do.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Drag is hardly a recent phenomena. The history of theatre is rife with it, from ancient times on up. It was a major component of Commedia dell'arte, in fact, and that form of popular entertainment goes back centuries. And back then, kids loved it, too!

(Who neglected to mention that in centuries past it was considered akin to prostitution for women to be actors; and thus why female parts were played by men!)

…. Example of when “drag” isn’t exactly “drag”; particularly when male actors only dressed as women in theatre performances and didn’t walk around in the streets trying to pass as women.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

For the people who want to continue making money off of these “treatments” of course their data is going to be skewed! If you don’t think big pharma’s “studies” fudge data; take a look at all nonsense that went on with Covid.

Sex reassignment surgery was tried by Harvard back in the 60’s and they were such a dismal failure (particularly regarding the psychiatric conditions of the patients) that they stopped doing them because too many patients were committing suicide.

And do you think the psychiatric condition of people with the disorder has changed that much in 60 years? I don’t believe for a hot second that the data you’re reading is accurate.

Ok, but I should believe you just because?

 

[Larniavc]

Sex reassignment surgery was tried by Harvard back in the 60’s

That is 65 years ago. Who knows what wonders have happened in the exciting field of surgery in that period?

 

[A2SG]

(Who neglected to mention that in centuries past it was considered akin to prostitution for women to be actors; and thus why female parts were played by men!)

I'm sure there were many irrelevant things about history I neglected to mention. Not sure why it matters to the subject at hand, however.

…. Example of when “drag” isn’t exactly “drag”; particularly when male actors only dressed as women in theatre performances and didn’t walk around in the streets trying to pass as women.

Drag queens are performers, and they are not trying to "pass as women" at all. The exaggerated style of dress and makeup, largely derived from Commedia del'arte, attests to that. What they may or may not choose to do in their spare time off the stage is their own business, of course. But the subject was society's acceptance of drag or cross dressing in general, and clearly, it has accepted both for most of human history.

If you're trying to make some other point here, it eludes me. Maybe you could explain it better?

-- A2SG, if you care to....

 

[The Righterzpen]

Ok, but I should believe you just because?

Prove to me that big pharma’s researchers have never fudged data so they can sell drugs or medical products.

Assuming you understand that research is paid for by those who have a vested interest in selling their wares.

And assuming you also know that because the transition surgeries are not covered by insurance, that the “doctors” can charge whatever they want.

Show me the incentive and I’ll predict the outcome.

 

[The Righterzpen]

That is 65 years ago. Who knows what wonders have happened in the exciting field of surgery in that period?

Go look up the procedures for “bottom surgery”. They’re barbaric. Patients loose the ability to have sex at all.

 

[The Righterzpen]

I'm sure there were many irrelevant things about history I neglected to mention. Not sure why it matters to the subject at hand, however.


Drag queens are performers, and they are not trying to "pass as women" at all. The exaggerated style of dress and makeup, largely derived from Commedia del'arte, attests to that. What they may or may not choose to do in their spare time off the stage is their own business, of course. But the subject was society's acceptance of drag or cross dressing in general, and clearly, it has accepted both for most of human history.

If you're trying to make some other point here, it eludes me. Maybe you could explain it better?

-- A2SG, if you care to....

And how is historical perceptions of female actors irrelevant to this subject of male actors playing female roles?

Nice try though.

We wouldn’t be having this conversation if society had “…clearly accepted both for most of human history”. Ya think….

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Prove to me that big pharma’s researchers have never fudged data so they can sell drugs or medical products.

Assuming you understand that research is paid for by those who have a vested interest in selling their wares.

And assuming you also know that because the transition surgeries are not covered by insurance, that the “doctors” can charge whatever they want.

Show me the incentive and I’ll predict the outcome.

Even when looking at places where it is covered by public spending (Sweden from 1970-2010) the regret rate is rather low, 2.2% regretted SRS. Which is in line with regret rates reported in the literature. So why should I believe in some kind of conspiracy?