Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

[SabbathBlessings]

I also can’t help but wonder if people use whatever you do, do it unto the Lord and apply it to breaking any of the other 9 commandments as well. At that point, why have standards, if we are not going to go by God’s, we can rationalize anything on why we do not need to keep God’s commandments, but than whose will is one following. God said one thing Exo20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Isa 56:1-7 Heb4:4 Mat2:27-28 Eze20:12 Eze20:20 so who is man to alter the written Testimony of God Deut4:13 Exo31;18 when He said He would not Psa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 yet alone an entire commandment or two.

Would our spouses be happy with us if we decided to celebrate their birthday or anniversary on another day thats more convenient for us would that show love to them? God was very specific Exo20:10-11 Heb4:4 so are we showing love to Him by disregarding what He said, but choosing our own day instead, on a day that does not come with the power of God’s blessings Gen2:3 Exo20:11 Isa56:2 or power of His sanctification Gen2:3 Exo20:11 Eze20:12

Deut 12:32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

There is no Scripture in the entire Bible where God said we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment. All people do is sadly use Paul against God out of context, not even what he believed or followed Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus said Isa 56:6-7 and would we really want to take the risk of misunderstanding Paul 2Peter3:16 over the written Testimony of God, who there is no one greater than He. Jesus not once said He changed His commandments after He rose. He did say His Sabbath would be kept faithfully for all nations Isa56:6-7 as we see decades after the Cross Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 etc and for eternity Mat24:20 66:22-23

No one can take away God’s blessing and sanctification and no where did God transfer that to any other day as He only has one day He claimed as the Holy Day of the Lord and that is the Sabbath, thus saith the Lord Isa58:13 that Jesus said He is Lord of Mar2:28.

Heb5:9 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him

 

[Studyman]

No, once again you are not reading or maybe understanding what is being relayed to you. Faith establishes the Law. The Law is in our hearts and minds. His word is in our hearts and mouths. This faith is the faith in which we preach. This is the faith that establishers the Law.

If the Law is established by the just's faith; how is it that what is being preached to you against God's laws?
Nay it is establish!

I don't believe Paul is teaching that each persons faith, "establishes God's Law", because of the verse you omitted.

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then "make void" the law (Of this One God) through faith? God forbid: (That means NO Him) yea, we establish the law. (Of this One God)

So the implication of your teaching, that God gives His Spirit to a man before a man "Yields himself a servant to obey God", and then whatever LAW this person walks in, "establishes the Law" God wrote on his heart. And when this philosophy is put into practice, you have literally 100's of different religious sects and businesses, denominations and non-denominations, all calling Jesus "Lord, Lord" but some walking in this judgment, Statute or commandment, while others reject the same judgments, Statutes and Commandments of God. But they are all justified because of the philosophy that each person's individual faith "establishes Law".

Well, that is not what Paul was teaching. How does someone know they know God, because there is a lot of people who profess to know God?

1 John 2: 3 And hereby we do know "that we know him", "if we keep" his commandments.

So the men of TRUE Faith, "Establish God's Laws", that HE before ordained that we should walk in them, their "works" showing God's Laws written on their hearts. As Abraham "works" show His Faith. And Caleb, and David, and Shadrack, and Zacharias, and Peter etc.

Unless through Faith, the changed heart they were. But alas they were saying and doing not. Breaking the least and teaching men so.

Yes, there are men who preach that God's Laws created the Wall of Separation between faithful Gentiles and Jews. That God's Laws relegated faithful Gentiles as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:". That God's LAWS were the "Yoke of Bondage the Disciples and their fathers couldn't bear. And that Jesus came to "nail God's Laws", that "many" teach were against Jesus, Paul and the Church of God to the Cross.

And truly there were commandments contained in ordinances that were against Jesus, Paul and the Body of Christ. And truly there were Laws that relegated faithful Gentiles as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:" And truly there were Heavy burdens, grievous to bear, placed on the necks of the Disciples and their fathers.

But according to what is actually written in Scriptures, that I have posted for your review and examination, it wasn't God's Laws.

Are the theatrics for affect. As if they add any credit to what you post in regard to this topic?

I ask questions for the same reason Jesus and Paul asked questions. I'm not going to judge you as to why you refuse to answer them, even though you judge me as to the reason I asked.

 

[DamianWarS]

This is why, in my understanding, so many people argue with you sir. Because of foolish and untrue statement such as the one above. You can find not one word in any of my posts, where I defended the practice of cutting the loose skin off a penis for salvation, and it is my stated position that God doesn't care about the loose skin on a man's penis, contrary to the Pharisees assertion that HE did in the OT. He has always only cared about the heart of man. When HE commanded "Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn" this was a command about the heart of man, not oxen. When HE speaks about cutting off the loose skin of a penis, it is a command concerning the fleshy heart of man, not the penis for crying out load. When Jesus said to drink His Blood and Eat His Flesh, it is a command about the heart of man, not sifting through the rubble in Jerusalem trying to find a piece of His flesh to eat.



Some men must feed the lust of an uncircumcised heart, to become a talebearer among the brethren, by accusing others of defending the Pharisees version of circumcision. You have free will to do so, But it isn't true. I was simply pointing out that Paul wasn't as obsessed as many are, with the physical practice. And that many times his reference to the word "circumcision" was concerning Moses teaching regarding the heart. And many times it was a reference to Jew or non-Jew, such as the case in 1Cor. 7. And sometimes it was a reference to the Literal practice. Like the verse below.

Rom. 2: 24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles "through you", as it is written. 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, "if thou keep the law": but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

You are free to disagree, but please be honest about the words others post.

Sorry, your were a bit cryptic in your post, I couldn't figure out what your point was only that you seem to disagree with me and I jumped to the wrong conclusion. I should have clarified with you first. My motivation however was not trying to falsly accuse you or make something up that isn't true, but it's still my error.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

I also can’t help but wonder if people use whatever you do, do it unto the Lord and apply it to breaking any of the other 9 commandments as well. At that point, why have standards, if we are not going to go by God’s, we can rationalize anything on why we do not need to keep God’s commandments, but than whose will is one following. God said one thing Exo20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Isa 56:1-7 Heb4:4 Mat2:27-28 Eze20:12 Eze20:20 so who is man to alter the written Testimony of God Deut4:13 Exo31;18 when He said He would not Psa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 yet alone an entire commandment or two.

Would our spouses be happy with us if we decided to celebrate their birthday or anniversary on another day thats more convenient for us would that show love to them? God was very specific Exo20:10-11 Heb4:4 so are we showing love to Him by disregarding what He said, but choosing our own day instead, on a day that does not come with the power of God’s blessings Gen2:3 Exo20:11 Isa56:2 or power of His sanctification Gen2:3 Exo20:11 Eze20:12

Deut 12:32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

There is no Scripture in the entire Bible where God said we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment. All people do is sadly use Paul against God out of context, not even what he believed or followed Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus said Isa 56:6-7 and would we really want to take the risk of misunderstanding Paul 2Peter3:16 over the written Testimony of God, who there is no one greater than He. Jesus not once said He changed His commandments after He rose. He did say His Sabbath would be kept faithfully for all nations Isa56:6-7 as we see decades after the Cross Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 etc and for eternity Mat24:20 66:22-23

No one can take away God’s blessing and sanctification and no where did God transfer that to any other day as He only has one day He claimed as the Holy Day of the Lord and that is the Sabbath, thus saith the Lord Isa58:13 that Jesus said He is Lord of Mat2:28.

Heb5:9 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him

That is your interpretation of the Scriptures. God anointed Apostles for us to obey, not a book for us to interpret as our limited minds see fit.
Scripture has right interpretation and wrong interpretation. Jesus being tempted by Satan in the desert proves that beautifully. Satan quoted scripture to Jesus in order to tempt Him to sin.
Satan’s interpretation was not wrong, but is was incomplete and misleading in an attempt to get God to contradict Himself. Jesus rebuked him.
I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, and I subject myself to Apostolic teaching, of which we have a record over the last 2,000 years.
Has anyone referenced any of that? Did the Apostles teach the scriptures the way they are being taught today? I don’t see a concrete reference that they did. We even have evidence that they taught contrary to what is being promoted by modern Christians that rely on sola scriptura.
Have modern Bible readers received direct commission from God to go and promote their interpretation and compel obedience? If you are honest, you would have to confess no, but you believe your interpretation is correct.
So what am I to do? Subject myself to those personally anointed by God or subject myself to the opinions of others on what the scripture should say?
Jesus gave the great commission to the Apostles telling them to teach all that I have commanded YOU. He did not hand out gideons bibles and tell them to go into all the world and give them this book and let them figure things out on their own. The Bereans used the scriptures to test Paul, when Paul was shown to be true, they obeyed the Apostle. They did not start an independent Berean congregation

If y’all want to believe modern prophets in no way connected to the Apostles and follow independent thought that is your choice. Do you know where the word heresy comes from? It is derived from the Greek word for choice, hairesis.

It’s ironic that the 1960s counter culture began with growing long hair. You can even hear the song about it from the play Hair, a celebration of freedom of thought and even modern people call themselves pro-choice Ironic that they all sing of the glories of heresy

I whole heartedly agree with your last statement, Sabbath blessings. Jesus is the author of salvation to all that obey Him. It does not say to all that obey you.
To command obedience, one must have Apostolic authority, not free choice independent thought. The Apostles were anointed with tongues of fire, and spread their anointing through the laying on of hands. We have the direct line of apostolic succession all the way back to Peter. What commission from God do you have that we should believe you rather than them?
In order for you to hold yourself above the Apostles, you should at least know what they taught. Have you read Iraneus, demonstration of the Apostolic preaching? Have you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and all the references included with the teaching?
If not, then you are speaking from independent thought or free choice aka heresy. I don’t follow that choice, I obey God as your final quote states
I admit that my own thoughts can be in error and I submit to being corrected by apostolic teaching. We do not subject ourselves to the choice of men.

 

[HIM]

That is your interpretation of the Scriptures. God anointed Apostles for us to obey, not a book for us to interpret as our limited minds see fit.
Scripture has right interpretation and wrong interpretation. Jesus being tempted by Satan in the desert proves that beautifully. Satan quoted scripture to Jesus in order to tempt Him to sin.
Satan’s interpretation was not wrong, but is was incomplete and misleading in an attempt to get God to contradict Himself. Jesus rebuked him.
I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, and I subject myself to Apostolic teaching, of which we have a record over the last 2,000 years.
Has anyone referenced any of that? Did the Apostles teach the scriptures the way they are being taught today? I don’t see a concrete reference that they did. We even have evidence that they taught contrary to what is being promoted by modern Christians that rely on sola scriptura.
Have modern Bible readers received direct commission from God to go and promote their interpretation and compel obedience? If you are honest, you would have to confess no, but you believe your interpretation is correct.
So what am I to do? Subject myself to those personally anointed by God or subject myself to the opinions of others on what the scripture should say?
Jesus gave the great commission to the Apostles telling them to teach all that I have commanded YOU. He did not hand out gideons bibles and tell them to go into all the world and give them this book and let them figure things out on their own. The Bereans used the scriptures to test Paul, when Paul was shown to be true, they obeyed the Apostle. They did not start an independent Berean congregation

If y’all want to believe modern prophets in no way connected to the Apostles and follow independent thought that is your choice. Do you know where the word heresy comes from? It is derived from the Greek word for choice, hairesis.

It’s ironic that the 1960s counter culture began with growing long hair. You can even hear the song about it from the play Hair, a celebration of freedom of thought and even modern people call themselves pro-choice Ironic that they all sing of the glories of heresy

I whole heartedly agree with your last statement, Sabbath blessings. Jesus is the author of salvation to all that obey Him. It does not say to all that obey you.
To command obedience, one must have Apostolic authority, not free choice independent thought. The Apostles were anointed with tongues of fire, and spread their anointing through the laying on of hands. We have the direct line of apostolic succession all the way back to Peter. What commission from God do you have that we should believe you rather than them?
In order for you to hold yourself above the Apostles, you should at least know what they taught. Have you read Iraneus, demonstration of the Apostolic preaching? Have you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and all the references included with the teaching?
If not, then you are speaking from independent thought or free choice aka heresy. I don’t follow that choice, I obey God as your final quote states
I admit that my own thoughts can be in error and I submit to being corrected by apostolic teaching. We do not subject ourselves to the choice of men.

You haven't addressed anything in her post or the video. If it isn't true, show it not to be true through the Scripture. Take care

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That is your interpretation of the Scriptures. God anointed Apostles for us to obey, not a book for us to interpret as our limited minds see fit.
Scripture has right interpretation and wrong interpretation. Jesus being tempted by Satan in the desert proves that beautifully. Satan quoted scripture to Jesus in order to tempt Him to sin.
Satan’s interpretation was not wrong, but is was incomplete and misleading in an attempt to get God to contradict Himself. Jesus rebuked him.
I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, and I subject myself to Apostolic teaching, of which we have a record over the last 2,000 years.
Has anyone referenced any of that? Did the Apostles teach the scriptures the way they are being taught today? I don’t see a concrete reference that they did. We even have evidence that they taught contrary to what is being promoted by modern Christians that rely on sola scriptura.
Have modern Bible readers received direct commission from God to go and promote their interpretation and compel obedience? If you are honest, you would have to confess no, but you believe your interpretation is correct.
So what am I to do? Subject myself to those personally anointed by God or subject myself to the opinions of others on what the scripture should say?
Jesus gave the great commission to the Apostles telling them to teach all that I have commanded YOU. He did not hand out gideons bibles and tell them to go into all the world and give them this book and let them figure things out on their own. The Bereans used the scriptures to test Paul, when Paul was shown to be true, they obeyed the Apostle. They did not start an independent Berean congregation

If y’all want to believe modern prophets in no way connected to the Apostles and follow independent thought that is your choice. Do you know where the word heresy comes from? It is derived from the Greek word for choice, hairesis.

It’s ironic that the 1960s counter culture began with growing long hair. You can even hear the song about it from the play Hair, a celebration of freedom of thought and even modern people call themselves pro-choice Ironic that they all sing of the glories of heresy

I whole heartedly agree with your last statement, Sabbath blessings. Jesus is the author of salvation to all that obey Him. It does not say to all that obey you.
To command obedience, one must have Apostolic authority, not free choice independent thought. The Apostles were anointed with tongues of fire, and spread their anointing through the laying on of hands. We have the direct line of apostolic succession all the way back to Peter. What commission from God do you have that we should believe you rather than them?
In order for you to hold yourself above the Apostles, you should at least know what they taught. Have you read Iraneus, demonstration of the Apostolic preaching? Have you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and all the references included with the teaching?
If not, then you are speaking from independent thought or free choice aka heresy. I don’t follow that choice, I obey God as your final quote states
I admit that my own thoughts can be in error and I submit to being corrected by apostolic teaching. We do not subject ourselves to the choice of men.

I never wrote the Ten Commandments- that's God's Testimony that the Holy Spirit personally wrote Deut4:13 Exo31:18 Rev15:5, something He said He would not change. No where in the entire Bible were the apostles commissioned to change God's times and laws and teach another gospel than what God commanded.

Have you ever dated someone that did all kinds of things for you? Gave you everything, but what you asked. I think we can do that to God. But Lord Lord did I not do this in your name, but Lord Lord did I not do that in your name, only for Him to say I do not know you Mat 7:21-23 because you did not do what I asked.1John2:3-4 God wrote out what He asked plainly in Stone - than wrote it in our hearts 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 Changing a jot or tittle, yet alone a whole commandment or two, is no longer doing what He asks, but our own will. Its really that simple. We can follow the crowd, or be faithful to what God actually said that comes with His power of His sanctification and blessings. Something no church has the power to do, despite their claims.

... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

If you want the blessing and sanctification of God- keep the Sabbath Isa56:2 Eze20:12- if you want our own sanctification and believe a church has more power than God- one to remove His sanctification and than transfer to a day God made for works and labors Exo20:9 by all means keep going in the direction your heading. We are told whoever we obey is who we serve (worship) Rom6:16 so I guess it will get sorted out in God's time.

To command obedience, one must have Apostolic authority, not free choice independent thought. The Apostles were anointed with tongues of fire, and spread their anointing through the laying on of hands. We have the direct line of apostolic succession all the way back to Peter. What commission from God do you have that we should believe you rather than them?

This is a misunderstanding of Scripture. You will not find one verse in the entire Bible where the apostles changed God's times and laws- that is something they understood to be bad Dan7:25 and not something they ever did in words or in actions. They faithfully kept every Sabbath in church with both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus said- My house will be a house of prayer for all nations Mat21:13 and that is on the Sabbath- just like Jesus did who was theirs and our example to follow Luke 4:16 for those who want to join themselves to God, love His name(God) and to be His servants and holds fast to God's covenant- that He said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19

Isa 56:6“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.


This is what Jesus said who has all authority

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.

No wonder why the apostles observed every Sabbath decades after the Cross with both Jews and Gentiles as Jesus predicted

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

(fulfillment of Jesus prophecy that My house will be a house of prayer for all nations)

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Because God does not change. The Sabbath was from the very beginning made for man started at Creation Exo20:11 and will continue on for eternity where all of God's saints (saved) will continue the Sabbath for worship but instead of in spirit since sin separated man from God, it will be before the Lord Isa66:22-23

We do not want to miss this! But if we are so opposed to God's holy day now, will we suddenly want to once He returns? If God was going to force His will on people we would not be in the mess we are in today a world full of sin and sorrow. We can follow traditions, but it doesn't come with the sanctification or power of God, no wonder why Jesus told us to obey God's commandments over man made ones Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 and the apostles never taught anything different Col2:8

I do wish you well and hope you will consider what God says because while there may be temporary great authority on this earth that most follow- its not equal to God's.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

You haven't addressed anything in her post or the video. If it isn't true, show it not to be true through the Scripture. Take care

So you prefer free thought over apostolic teaching. That is prerogative God gives you.
It does not make you right
Scripture subject to the interpretation of man is scripture subject to the interpretation of man, it is not scripture as originally intended
To have scripture as intended by God, we must learn from His ambassadors, the Apostles. Those were the ones whom He sent, not someone who read the Bible and decided to make up their own denomination and call other Christians apostate or carry the mark of the beast if they are not believed. That is not in scripture, Apostolic teaching is in scripture

So I don’t convince you. So what ? Since when has God said go into all the world and convince people? He said to go into the world and preach the Gospel. You can either follow it or not.


Would you not agree that one of the saddest positions for a person to be in is to think they are following the Gospel, but are deceived?

How do you know something is true? Do you just get a feeling? Or do you look for evidence that goes against your feelings? If you don’t look for evidence, you make God subject to your feelings

That is sad to me, which is why we continue to proclaim the word to you. If you don’t study, you don’t understand, if you don’t want to understand, then you have become like the Church at Laodicea, and when you read revelation, you know that is not a good place to be

 

[boughtwithaprice]

I never wrote the Ten Commandments- that's God's Testimony that the Holy Spirit personally wrote Deut4:13 Exo31:18 Rev15:5, something He said He would not change. No where in the entire Bible were the apostles commissioned to change God's times and laws and teach another gospel than what God commanded.

Have you ever dated someone that did all kinds of things for you? Gave you everything, but what you asked. I think we can do that to God. But Lord Lord did I not do this in your name, but Lord Lord did I not do that in your name, only for Him to say I do not know you Mat 7:21-23 because you did not do what I asked.1John2:3-4 God wrote out what He asked plainly in Stone - than wrote it in our hearts 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 Changing a jot or tittle, yet alone a whole commandment or two, is no longer doing what He asks, but our own will. Its really that simple. We can follow the crowd, or be faithful to what God actually said that comes with His power of His sanctification and blessings. Something no church has the power to do, despite their claims.



If you want the blessing and sanctification of God- keep the Sabbath Isa56:2 Eze20:12- if you want our own sanctification and believe a church has more power than God- one to remove His sanctification and than transfer to a day God made for works and labors Exo20:9 by all means keep going in the direction your heading. We are told whoever we obey is who we serve (worship) Rom6:16 so I guess it will get sorted out in God's time.


This is a misunderstanding of Scripture. You will not find one verse in the entire Bible where the apostles changed God's times and laws- that is something they understood to be bad Dan7:25 and not something they ever did in words or in actions. They faithfully kept every Sabbath in church with both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus said- My house will be a house of prayer for all nations Mat21:13 and that is on the Sabbath- just like Jesus did who was theirs and our example to follow Luke 4:16 for those who want to join themselves to God, love His name(God) and to be His servants and holds fast to God's covenant- that He said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19

Isa 56:6“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.


This is what Jesus said who has all authority

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.

No wonder why the apostles observed every Sabbath decades after the Cross with both Jews and Gentiles as Jesus predicted

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

(fulfillment of Jesus prophecy that My house will be a house of prayer for all nations)

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Because God does not change. The Sabbath was from the very beginning made for man started at Creation Exo20:11 and will continue on for eternity where all of God's saints (saved) will continue the Sabbath for worship but instead of in spirit since sin separated man from God, it will be before the Lord Isa66:22-23

We do not want to miss this! But if we are so opposed to God's holy day now, will we suddenly want to once He returns? If God was going to force His will on people we would not be in the mess we are in today a world full of sin and sorrow. We can follow traditions, but it doesn't come with the sanctification or power of God, no wonder why Jesus told us to obey God's commandments over man made ones Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 and the apostles never taught anything different Col2:8

I do wish you well and hope you will consider what God says because while there may be temporary great authority on this earth that most follow- its not equal to God's.

Then why did you take until 1860 to start preaching? No one, not even Ellen White taught as you did before that

 

[Hentenza]

You haven't addressed anything in her post or the video. If it isn't true, show it not to be true through the Scripture. Take care

I have addressed every single one of her pet verses and yet she continues to post them in error. I don’t do video. My conversation is not with the guy in the video.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Then why did you take until 1860 to start preaching? No one, not even Ellen White taught as you did before that

I wasn't around in the 1860 so I wasn't preaching anything in the 1800's. If you mean the SDA church, we were not the first ones to keep the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath either, that we can find right in our Bibles. God has always had a remnant people all throughout the centuries who kept God's commandments the way He said including the Sabbath. You keep looking at people as if that is our authority when we need to be looking at God. God's people will always be a remnant compared to the majority Rev12:17 Mat7:13-14. Not because God does not call on everyone Heb3:7-19, sadly few hear.

Whenever God's people would go away from the word of God, He would always raise up a messenger to bring people back to His word (until there is no more remedy) 2 Chro 36:16 God does not change. God never ordained Sunday, that is a commandment of the Catholic church. They even admit so that they changed God's Sabbath commandment (as we were foretold it would be changed not by God Dan7:25), based on their authority over God's.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

The whole nonsense that the CC are the succession from the apostles, if that were true they would have continued on what the apostles did and that was to keep God's Sabbath and obey God and stay faithful to Him. The apostles warned us what would happen after their departure Acts 20:29 which sadly is exactly what happened- men turned to fables instead of staying faithful to God. 2Tim4:3-4

You point back to Catholic doctrine to support your doctrine. You allow the catholic church to define what things mean, instead of allowing God to. God never said we needed a mediator or an earthy priesthood, He did away with both and we can go directly to Him. I would hate to place my faith in my church instead of with Jesus Christ, when Jesus said He is the way John14:6 not the catholic church, that's a lot of trust built on man-made traditions instead of building on our Rock which is Jesus by doing what He says.

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Christ is the one speaking the Ten Commandments. Christ is the one who put them under His mercy seat. Christ is the one who sanctified the seventh day Gen2:3 Exo20:11 and told us to keep it holy Exo20:8-11 that He made it for us Mat2:27 Isa59:2 Isa56:6 and sanctifies us when we follow what He asks Eze20:12. Christ is the one who blesses us when we obey Him Isa56:2 Rev22:14 Keeping the Sabbath comes with the power of Christ- the only God who can create heaven and earth Exo20:11 Rev14:7 the only God who can sanctify Exo20:11 Eze20:12 and without His blessings Isa59:2 Exo20:11 Rev22:14 sadly, we really are nothing, we need Him for everything Eze20:20 I would not trade all the promises God gives us through His Sabbath for something that Jesus warned about following mans traditions over the commandments of God, laying them aside as to tell Him No Lord, these are not for me, making His word of no effect, I will seek out my own sanctification, just as those who came before us Eze 20:12-13 Eze20:16 and what that does to Him. Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 Eze22:26


Guess it will get sorted out at His soon return.

 

[HIM]

I have addressed every single one….

Wasn’t talking to you my friend.

 

[Hentenza]

Wasn’t talking to you my friend.

But I like to butt in. It’s in my nature.

 

[Studyman]

But I like to butt in. It’s in my nature.

Yes, we can clearly see that. But aren't the "doers" of the Christ's sayings supposed to deny the lust of their flesh?

 

[Hentenza]

Yes, we can clearly see that. But aren't the "doers" of the Christ's sayings supposed to deny the lust of their flesh?

Sure but what does that have to do with me? Are you accusing me of something?

 

[Studyman]

Sure but what does that have to do with me? Are you accusing me of something?

It was you said you are the one who likes to but into other people's business. Perhaps you should consider that beam in your own eye first, before instructing others.

 

[Hentenza]

It was you said you are the one who likes to but into other people's business. Perhaps you should consider that beam in your own eye first, before instructing others.

I am going to post when and where I want to. You have no say so in that. Secondly, when you are promoting the law I’m always going to be there to argue against it.

 

[DamianWarS]

I also can’t help but wonder if people use whatever you do, do it unto the Lord and apply it to breaking any of the other 9 commandments as well

This is a strawman, sabbath is not innate moral behaviour. Commandments 1-3 are regarding monotheistic behaviour and 5-10 regarding morality to each other. But sabbath itself is a ritual of rest with no unique moral action. But in terms of moral requirement, I may keep the 10 exactly but still be grossly lacking in my moral conduct both to God and to others. The 10 are established as a sort of polemic to the surrounding nations; they do not show us the framework of morality itself but challenge the morality of the day while aligning to monotheistic values. Christ digs deeper showing that it starts from the heart before it is manifested through action he also shows us how the law points to him and he is the better way. Faith in Christ is expressed through a lot of moral behaviour that goes far deeper than the 10. Instead of abstaining from killing my neighbour, stealing from him, or sleeping with his wife, under Christ my motivation is to love him as I would love my own self. This is something the 10 doesn't address. Like the 10 is a polemic to surrounding nations, Christ's law is a polemic to legalism.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

I wasn't around in the 1860 so I wasn't preaching anything in the 1800's. If you mean the SDA church, we were not the first ones to keep the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath either, that we can find right in our Bibles. God has always had a remnant people all throughout the centuries who kept God's commandments the way He said including the Sabbath. You keep looking at people as if that is our authority when we need to be looking at God. God's people will always be a remnant compared to the majority Rev12:17 Mat7:13-14. Not because God does not call on everyone Heb3:7-19, sadly few hear.

Whenever God's people would go away from the word of God, He would always raise up a messenger to bring people back to His word (until there is no more remedy) 2 Chro 36:16 God does not change. God never ordained Sunday, that is a commandment of the Catholic church. They even admit so that they changed God's Sabbath commandment (as we were foretold it would be changed not by God Dan7:25), based on their authority over God's.






The whole nonsense that the CC are the succession from the apostles, if that were true they would have continued on what the apostles did and that was to keep God's Sabbath and obey God and stay faithful to Him. The apostles warned us what would happen after their departure Acts 20:29 which sadly is exactly what happened- men turned to fables instead of staying faithful to God. 2Tim4:3-4

You point back to Catholic doctrine to support your doctrine. You allow the catholic church to define what things mean, instead of allowing God to. God never said we needed a mediator or an earthy priesthood, He did away with both and we can go directly to Him. I would hate to place my faith in my church instead of with Jesus Christ, when Jesus said He is the way John14:6 not the catholic church, that's a lot of trust built on man-made traditions instead of building on our Rock which is Jesus by doing what He says.

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Christ is the one speaking the Ten Commandments. Christ is the one who put them under His mercy seat. Christ is the one who sanctified the seventh day Gen2:3 Exo20:11 and told us to keep it holy Exo20:8-11 that He made it for us Mat2:27 Isa59:2 Isa56:6 and sanctifies us when we follow what He asks Eze20:12. Christ is the one who blesses us when we obey Him Isa56:2 Rev22:14 Keeping the Sabbath comes with the power of Christ- the only God who can create heaven and earth Exo20:11 Rev14:7 the only God who can sanctify Exo20:11 Eze20:12 and without His blessings Isa59:2 Exo20:11 Rev22:14 sadly, we really are nothing, we need Him for everything Eze20:20 I would not trade all the promises God gives us through His Sabbath for something that Jesus warned about following mans traditions over the commandments of God, laying them aside as to tell Him No Lord, these are not for me, making His word of no effect, I will seek out my own sanctification, just as those who came before us Eze 20:12-13 Eze20:16 and what that does to Him. Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 Eze22:26


Guess it will get sorted out at His soon return.

So your contention is that God’s Church is invisible? The Church we see in all of history is not real? It’s just made up because it does not pass your judgement on the Sabbath?

I feel bad that you do not see at this time how arrogant your position is. God’s Church is not invisible and she is not subject to the judgements of men.
Scripture even warns if they tell you behold he is here in secret chambers, believe it not


You are betting your eternal life not on the word of God but your own judgement of what the word of God is. We can read the Apostolic preaching and it does not say what you say.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is a strawman, sabbath is not innate moral behaviour. Commandments 1-3 are regarding monotheistic behaviour and 5-10 regarding morality to each other. But sabbath itself is a ritual of rest with no unique moral action. But in terms of moral requirement, I may keep the 10 exactly but still be grossly lacking in my moral conduct both to God and to others. The 10 are established as a sort of polemic to the surrounding nations; they do not show us the framework of morality itself but challenge the morality of the day while aligning to monotheistic values. Christ digs deeper showing that it starts from the heart before it is manifested through action he also shows us how the law points to him and he is the better way. Faith in Christ is expressed through a lot of moral behaviour that goes far deeper than the 10. Instead of abstaining from killing my neighbour, stealing from him, or sleeping with his wife, under Christ my motivation is to love him as I would love my own self. This is something the 10 doesn't address. Like the 10 is a polemic to surrounding nations, Christ's law is a polemic to legalism.

Wow, and all this time I thought God was God to write out His moral commandments which included Ten Deut4:13, not nine, nor did He say that He treated the 4th commandment any different than the other 9. The 4th commandment has God's name in it just like the first other three. To make this determination above God Exo31:18 what is under God's mercy seat Exo25:21 Exo31:18 Rev15:5, one must really believe in their own power or the power that changed this commandment against God's authority Dan7:25. As we are told, whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16, I believe we should serve the Lord Isa56:6 but we are given free will.

There is not one law or one thing that would be broken if everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus explained Mat5:19-30 why its God's perfect law converting the soul Psa19:7 why only the Ten Commandments is under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together soon. If you wish to tell the Holy Spirit who wrote the Ten Commandments- they are not good enough, you are free to do so, but its not an argument you will find in Scripture.

I think going after an idol Eze 20:16 and profaning God Eze22:26 and worshipping Him in vain Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 , is definitely a moral issue. I believe telling God He made a mistake with one of His commandments that He sanctified and blessed from Creation is definitely a moral issue. Luke6:46 Judging one of God's commandments because we either simply do not understand it or under no circumstances want to keep it, is a moral issue Heb3:7-19 Rom8:7-8. Anything God tells us to do, that we do not do, is a moral issue. Heb5:9 To tell God something He deems as holy and He sanctified and blessed by God and in His own words said is doing righteous and justice Isa56:1-2 which is the foundation of His throne Psa89:14 but we tell Him, no Lord, keeping the Sabbath is immoral- that's not an argument I want to be part of.

This is not an new argument, it is exactly what happened before to the people in the wilderness. They were on the brink of entering their land of rest that God gave them, but . . .

Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

We are on the brink of our promise land- heaven Rev22:14 and the Sabbath is not going away thus saith the Lord Isa66:23. God just wants to give His people time off from our works and labors so we do not work ourselves into the ground so He can spend sanctified time with His children and most people go out of their way to fight this and come up with 101 of reasons why our time on the Sabbath doing what we want is more important than time with God. Sure we can spend time with God on another day, just like Adam and Eve could eat from the one tree God told them not to. We can always choose our way over God's. Only the Sabbath comes with the power of God to sanctify both a day and us Gen2:3 Exo20:11 Eze20:12 and bless both a day and us Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3 Isa56:2 but just as those who came before us, many went after their own idol (whatever we place above what God asks) and own sanctification Isa66:17. No wonder why we are told not to follow in their same path of disobedience Heb4:11

I am going to agree to disagree and it will get sorted out in His time, I pray you will consider what God says as Authority when He comes back this time, He will come back as a King (Judgement) and tells us what He judges us on James2:11-12 Ecc12:13-14 Rev 14:6-12 Rev11:18-19 we will have to accept the decisions we make Rev22:11.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So your contention is that God’s Church is invisible?

I never said this, so not sure where got that from. God's church is a remnant according to God, so its not going to be the biggest one out there. They are also going to be keeping the commandments of God, not commandments of man, until the Second Coming of Jesus..

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman (church) , and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.


This will of course be the commandments under God's mercy seat Exo25:21, which we are shown the Testimony of God Exo31:18 Rev15:5 Rev11:19, the Ten Commandments Deut4:13, unedited because God is God and God makes no mistakes and man is not greater than God to edit Him when He promised not to alter His words Psaa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19

The Church we see in all of history is not real?

We are told the devil deceives the whole world, why we are told the only way to safeguard our salvation is by God's Holy Word. This is not going to be an overnight thing. He has been working throughout history- rewriting history, working with men to rewrite history books and change God's times and laws and we see this clearly happening in history.

God's people are not fooled because they keep their faith in Him and not people

Isa8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.

It’s just made up because it does not pass your judgement on the Sabbath?

I have no judgement on the Sabbath, Judgement is God's He wrote He spoke, this comamndment, it is under His mercy seat just like the other 9 commandments. Man is not what we need to be worried about Heb10:26-30 , its staying faithful to God. I am just advocating we do so as Jesus told us to Mat5:19

I feel bad that you do not see at this time how arrogant your position is. God’s Church is not invisible and she is not subject to the judgements of men.

I feel bad you can't see how arrogant it is for your church to say they are above God's Word and that their power is above God's to change one of God's personally written commandments when God said He would not Mat5:18-19 Psa89:34. Also this is not me saying this about the church you belong to, they say this themselves and much more.

Our faith should be in the One who has the power to sanctify and bless man, that is the God of Creation Exo20:11, the only God we are to worship Rev14:7. No church is above God, when they are teaching against what God said Isa8:20 I would prayerfully consider where our allegiance is because as we are told whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16 if you think Rome can save you, that can be your choice, my faith is in Jesus John 14:6 what did He teach, how did He live, that is who we should be following, that is who the apostles modeled their life after including Sabbath-keeping Luke4:16 John15:10 1John2:6 and told us we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29


In the Bible in the end there are two women who represent two churches- one that is pure they obey God and the other church is the harlot. The adulteresses mother church (and her daughters) that takes on a form of godliness, but without the power. This church God said is the one who changed His times and laws Dan7:25 Consider the quotes I provided of what your own church claims they did based on their own sense of power over God's, in their own words- said this change is a mark of their authority over God's. You place your faith in your church, we need to have the faith of and in Jesus. Rev14:12

Scripture even warns if they tell you behold he is here in secret chambers, believe it not

This is in the last days, which I believe we are close, when the devil impersonates God and comes as an angel of light. I believe this will happen shortly after there is a decree that prohibits people to obey one of God's commandments, much like in the time of Daniel, why this story is in the prophetic book. If we are already believing his doctrine, the deception will be great.

You are betting your eternal life not on the word of God

I am betting my life on what God said verbatim Deut4:13 Exo20:1-17 Exo31:18 Rev15:5 He wrote it our plainly and clearly and said if you love Me keep My commandments Exo20:6 John14:15, I love Jesus so that's where my faith is.

but your own judgement of what the word of God is.

Isn't that what you are doing. Provide one Scripture where we are commanded to keep the first day holy by God. Provide one scripture where God transferred the Sabbath sanctification from the Sabbath to Sunday. Provide one Scripture where God in His own words said Sunday is My holy day? Its a counterfeit to what God in the Bible said, that sadly most follow over being faithful to God because God only said these things about the Sabbath.

We can read the Apostolic preaching and it does not say what you say.

Yes it does plainly because the apostles were faithful to God, not man.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

(fulfillment of Jesus prophecy that My house will be a house of prayer for all nations)

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Many generations means
The Greek phrase is:
ἐκ γενεῶν ἀρχαίων (ek geneōn archaion)
= “from ancient generations,” “from long ages,” “from many generations back.”

The apostles also continued doing this every Sabbath, because God's people keep God's commandments Exo20:8-11 Lev23:3 Isa58:13 throughout generations just as God promised Exo31:13 . And the Sabbath continues on for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa66:23 because God does not change, thus saith the Lord. Mal3:6 Heb13:8