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Worst Possible Uses for AI imaginable

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As I see it there's nothing wrong with workplace surveillance. From my experience there are a lot of people who could use being surveilled. It's like having surveillance cameras in stores watching for looters. Why should I care? Seems like a pretty good idea to me. Now if you want to watch me in my home then that's a different story. But in the public domain I say 'Why should I care?'
What about AI that observes whether you yawn too much at work, or if your eyes appear tired too often? Would you be okay with that? Because that tech already exists, and is in use.
 
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Though I have never heard of that tech. It seems like solid evidence, plus there is no down side. If it was an innocent I doubt you would make a mistake. Ai could detect pre-crime based on probabilities but the accuracy would not be 100%. Some might find that acceptable. I suppose it might be if one just had to see a counselor, but if they were requiring onerous maeasures just because you showed up on AI's radar, then that would not be a society I would want to live in.
I like the cameras they work great. I have a 70” tv in my living room and above that I have a 42” mounted to the wall that we use to show family photos slideshow on. I installed an Amazon Fire Stick on the 42” tv and it comes with a photos app that you can upload unlimited photos on it and have it play a slideshow 24/7. Then I connected my Eufy door lock to the Alexa app which allows me to have the camera interrupt the photo slide show when someone comes to the door so I can see who’s at the door. I have a 32” fire tv upstairs in my bedroom that does the same and at night when I activate night mode when we go to sleep if it detects a person it turns on the tv in my bedroom and shows the camera that detected the person. It’s pretty nice to be woken up by the alarm and not have to fumble around with my phone trying to see that tiny screen waking up from a dead sleep when your eyes aren’t quite working yet. It gives me time to get to the gun safe if I need to.
 
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AI absolutely sucks at reading history.

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What about AI that observes whether you yawn too much at work, or if your eyes appear tired too often? Would you be okay with that? Because that tech already exists, and is in use.

Why would I care?
 
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I like the cameras they work great. I have a 70” tv in my living room and above that I have a 42” mounted to the wall that we use to show family photos slideshow on. I installed an Amazon Fire Stick on the 42” tv and it comes with a photos app that you can upload unlimited photos on it and have it play a slideshow 24/7. Then I connected my Eufy door lock to the Alexa app which allows me to have the camera interrupt the photo slide show when someone comes to the door so I can see who’s at the door. I have a 32” fire tv upstairs in my bedroom that does the same and at night when I activate night mode when we go to sleep if it detects a person it turns on the tv in my bedroom and shows the camera that detected the person. It’s pretty nice to be woken up by the alarm and not have to fumble around with my phone trying to see that tiny screen waking up from a dead sleep when your eyes aren’t quite working yet. It gives me time to get to the gun safe if I need to.
There's nothing wrong with that. Or with cameras in general, or with protecting your home... In this thread, I'm referring to the use of AI, and where we do, or don't want it to go in the future, as far as 'being controlled'.

Liberty is the state of being free from oppressive restrictions and having the ability to act and speak freely. It means having the freedom to make personal choices about one's life, behavior, and beliefs, as long as they are lawful and not harmful to others.
 
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Because one thing leads to another, and if you don't care now, then whe will you care?

Obviously one thing leads to another, but that still doesn't answer my question... why should I care?
 
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There's nothing wrong with that. Or with cameras in general, or with protecting your home... In this thread, I'm referring to the use of AI, and where we do, or don't want it to go in the future, as far as 'being controlled'.

Liberty is the state of being free from oppressive restrictions and having the ability to act and speak freely. It means having the freedom to make personal choices about one's life, behavior, and beliefs, as long as they are lawful and not harmful to others.
Yeah well that freedom goes both ways. If I hire an employee I should have the right to observe that employee to make sure that he or she is doing what I’m paying him or her to do and doing it according to company policies that I’ve put in place.
 
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Yeah well that freedom goes both ways. If I hire an employee I should have the right to observe that employee to make sure that he or she is doing what I’m paying him or her to do and doing it according to company policies that I’ve put in place.
Agreed, however with the upcoming technology, it's right and just that we distinguish the boundaries alongside the technological advancements, so as to maintain a healthy society. If you look back into history, at the beginning of the industrial revolution, we see that initially, boundaries were not made, and we see how rivers and streams were flooded with toxic chemicals. We saw lax safety standards, and a lot of other factors that were overlooked.

Today, we have a new situation that deserves evaluation and dialogue amongst people. We should take into account the opinions, hopes and fears of the people today, while simultaneously preparing for what's to come.
 
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Obviously one thing leads to another, but that still doesn't answer my question... why should I care?
The difference between me, and a lot of other people, is that I tend to be a *big picture* type thinker. I'm not looking at myself, or you personally, but at our entire society.. I feel like we need to know what is and isn't okay. Where do we draw the line in the sand? This is the paradigm I'm trying to portray with this thread, while looking at what's to come.

...We need to know where we stand before someone else makes that decision for us, at which point, it will be too late to go back.
 
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The difference between me, and a lot of other people, is that I tend to be a *big picture* type thinker. I'm not looking at myself, or you personally, but at our entire society.. I feel like we need to know what is and isn't okay. Where do we draw the line in the sand? This is the paradigm I'm trying to portray with this thread, while looking at what's to come.

...We need to know where we stand before someone else makes that decision for us, at which point, it will be too late to go back.

I can appreciate your viewpoint, and your fervency. But you're asking me to worry about a 'monster' in the shadows that I'm not sure is there. At the moment all you're asking me is, do I care about being watched at certain times and in certain places, and the answer is no. In fact I actually think that it could be a good thing.

I realize that we need people who'll point out the 'monsters', but I also realize that the monsters aren't always there, and we often do ourselves more harm worrying about them, than they were ever going to do on their own.

So am I concerned about AI becoming 'Big Brother'... not really. In fact, given the state of the world today, I'm not convinced that people's obsession with unrestrained liberty isn't actually part of the problem.
 
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They’re a long way from having AI controlled robots out on the streets. AI requires hundreds of thousands of GPUs which won’t fit into an human sized robot, and at present we don’t have a wireless signal that can carry the vast amount of data fast enough for them to be controlled remotely. Personally I’m hoping that there’s a technological ceiling that prevents this from ever being a possibility. But bigger robots like the ED 209 from Robocop might be capable of containing enough GPU s at some point.
How about A.I. controlled suicide bomber vehicles or kamikaze planes then? One could fit a lot of GPUs in the back of a 4Runner or a Promaster and get some hardcore 50-caliber machine gun fire through an open window too. Serial killers would love those. Ugh.

Sorry, I have a sick criminal mind that thinks of all kinds of terrible worse case scenarios. Don't try that at home.
The worst would be abusing, misusing, manipulating God and His word.
Sadly I think it's already being dipped into.
A.I. pastors should be Dead On Arrival. Since when do computers have the Holy Spirit?

People worshipping A.I. as an idol would also be Very Very Bad.
No that’s not true at all, I can be held liable by DOT as far as fines if I’ve broken a law but as far as being financially responsible for paying for damages I can’t be held responsible.
Yeah, I recently started a job with the Post Office and they have their own insurance for their vehicles. Though if I get a ticket I am responsible for paying it. I see that this has been rebutted already though, so beside the point.
I'm not convinced that people's obsession with unrestrained liberty isn't actually part of the problem.
And this is the first sentence down the road to total oppression. Our current society already feels like oppression to me, and now this post is on the way to make it worse?
 
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They say the thing about AI, is that it cannot possess feelings, even if it's programmed to 'act' like it does... And so, as time passes, from century to century forward, and as we trust AI, with it's ability to sort out facts, we will naturally choose to allow it to make many of our decisions for us, and so won't we likely cross a line where we surrender our own agency over, thus *submitting* ourselves to a soul-less factoid machine, with no feelings, or sense of love?

...And how will humans evolve in the future, if we sacrifice our feelings, to be influenced by factoid supremacy? Will we then become soul-less ourselves? Will we deny our love and passion for others? Are such things even "real" to begin with, and if it isn't, as Christians, shouldn't we be obligated to think it is, considering that these attributes come from the image of God? Jesus expressed love on the cross - and that's really the culture that made us any good to begin with, because it espouses the compassion that we embrace, in comparison to more hardened cultures, where oppression rules, and the conscience is forgotten.
 
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So am I concerned about AI becoming 'Big Brother'... not really. In fact, given the state of the world today, I'm not convinced that people's obsession with unrestrained liberty isn't actually part of the problem.
What about our obsession with feelings? isn't it true that humans represent a balance between feelings and facts? What happens if that natural balance becomes uneven? Will it not throw off something that has remained symmetrical for hundreds of thousands, or millions of years?

...Or am I using a kind of imaginative fiction to describe human nature?
 
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People worshipping A.I. as an idol would also be Very Very Bad.
Such a thing may turn out to be not so far fetched. The first victims might not even be believers, as we recognize them now, and those victims may not realize exactly what they're doing, until they're fully ingrained in it.
 
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Years ago I read that judges are using AI to determine sentences in court. I think that's a horrible idea. If anything needs the human mind, it's certainly that.
 
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Such a thing may turn out to be not so far fetched. The first victims might not even be believers, as we recognize them now, and those victims may not realize exactly what they're doing, until they're fully ingrained in it.
Some unbelievers have been worshiping Big Tech for awhile now. This is just another slide down the hill for them in their belief that technology can save us.
 
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