"Don't Give up the Ship"

[Akita Suggagaki]

Not to the degree that it will be for some random enlisted guy who decides to refuse an order and gets court marshalled and kicked out of the service, and then has to face the social backlash back home without the luxuries of 24/7 security and gated neighborhoods like Mark Kelly and Elissa Slotkin have the privilege of having.

Does anyone featured in that video montage unilaterally have the power to legally protect a servicemen who refuses an order from their commanding officer?

If the answer to that is "No" (which it is), then they shouldn't be encouraging them to go rogue.

That'd be like me going down to the accounts payable department at my company, and encouraging them to disobey their boss over a personal beef I have with him. I can't protect them if he decides to fire them, so it'd be unethical and irresponsible of me to encourage that behavior, as I won't be the one who faces the the brunt of the consequences of it.

Part if what I meant was I don’t they had the forethought of this reaction.

 

[essentialsaltes]

That failed -

Not yet. The order has been stayed, but the ruling has not been overturned.

 

[Yttrium]

Cool. Now I want the Justice Department to obey the president and charge these congresspeople with sedition, just to see how hard the judges laugh at it.

 

[eclipsenow]

President Trump has never issued an illegal order to the military.

And yet his use of the National Guard is before the Supreme Court, and he's having the military blow up anonymous, unidentified boats off the coast of Venezuela.

I've served. I've had the legal command lectures. It's not hard!

Disobey un-lawful commands.

Did poor Mr Trump read this too late and not register the "un" bit? Unlawful?

It's just embarrassing to watch him melt down every 5 minutes over some perceived sleight to his NPD

 

[Vambram]

And yet his use of the National Guard is before the Supreme Court, and he's having the military blow up anonymous, unidentified boats off the coast of Venezuela.

I've served. I've had the legal command lectures. It's not hard!

Disobey un-lawful commands.

Did poor Mr Trump read this too late and not register the "un" bit? Unlawful?

It's just embarrassing to watch him melt down every 5 minutes over some perceived sleight to his NPD

Nevertheless, President Trump has not issued any unlawful orders to the military.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Not yet. The order has been stayed, but the ruling has not been overturned.

It is not breaking law. That is the fail
No soldier in his right mind would think it was an unlawful order.

Try again?

Why did they make the video??

 

[wing2000]

Interpreting whether or not an order from a commander-in-chief to the military is unconstitutional is rarely is something so simple and clear cut that a 19-23 year old kid can make an accurate on-the-spot judgment call.

It is rare and frankly, has not been on the minds of the military until this President. And I think you underestimate the abilities of a 19-23 year old. If they are ordered to take actions against American citizens on American soil, I'm certain a few will correctly conclude the order is illegal.

 

[wing2000]

If the answer to that is "No" (which it is), then they shouldn't be encouraging them to go rogue.

Reminding U.S. military members of their legal obligations under the U.S. Consitution is not encouraging them "to go rogue."

 

[wing2000]

Why did they make the video??

I already provided an answer. Say, why don't you watch the video if you really want to know.

 

[wing2000]

Is there a chance, just a slight chance, that their video was specifically intended for drawing this reaction of out him and the predictable "Truth Social Frenzy" that would undoubtedly go along with it?

Obviously it was foolish for him to take the bait (and doesn't demonstrate level-headed leadership)

....and yet, you go after the Congress members while the POTUS suggest they should be prosecuted for sedition?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Then he should have nothing to worry about.

He could be worried about a bunch of service members refusing lawful orders because they were mislead by democrat politicians into believing they were.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It is not breaking law. That is the fail

What are you babbling about? The judge ruled the actions were illegal "unless and until Defendants satisfy the requirements of a valid constitutional or statutory exception, as defined herein, to the Posse Comitatus Act."