Why do people hate ICE...

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

If you support a givernement that does not outlaw homosexuality then that contradicts scriptural teachings. And your commitment to scripture is questionable. See how that works? If you support a governement that allows no fault divorce then your commitment to scriptural teachings is questionable.

I'm glad you recognize Christ's teaching is for his followers and not a governmental mandate. That being said I believe we can do both. We can treat illegals humanely and still deport them as fast as possible. There certainly have been questions regarding the conditions the illegals have been held in. Although I have yet to actually see these conditions. The illegals have been arrested, so as long as their detention status is no different than the typical inmate of a prison, then I don't have any issues with it.

Give them food, water and medical care as needed and put em in an 8x10 cell until they are deported. Even Jesus didn't tell believers to release all the prisoners.

I see you recognize that supporting a government which does not prohibit homosexuality be seen as inconsistent with biblical teachings. So , why don’t you understand that endorsing a government that treats individuals inhumanely is also contradictory to these values.

Deporting half a family to another country while leaving an eight-year-old child in America is not humane. If you believe otherwise, our views on humanity and the love Jesus taught differ greatly.

If you think it's humane to deport a man who came to the United States at age five, has lived here for thirty years, and now force to leave his wife and child behind for a foreign country he doesn't know, then our understanding of humanity and the meaning of Jesus' love differ greatly.

Christians cannot separate government responsibilities they support from individual adherence to Gospel teachings. Whether in their homes, churches, communities, as individuals, members of a church, part of a larger community, or as a nation, practicing the teachings of Jesus is expected in daily life. Distinguishing between personal and communal application does not align with the principles taught by Christ.

Christians who adhere to the teachings of Christ in their personal lives but support governmental actions that contradict those teachings will be reminded by Jesus on the day of judgment, "I never knew you."

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

It is relevant, as it reflects the character of someone supporting this policy. His stance appears to be "rule for thee but not for me."

What’s wrong with that? Rules can be changed as circumstances change.

 

[DaisyDay]

What’s wrong with that? Rules can be changed as circumstances change.

If the sole circumstance that changed is that it is now you instead of me, or vice versus, then the problem is hypocrisy.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

If the sole circumstance that changed is that it is now you instead of me, or vice versus, then the problem is hypocrisy.

As a traditional conservative, I had hoped that following President Trump’s departure from office, the party would return to pre-Trump era conservatism characterized by greater moderation and centrist ideas, thereby fostering unity and compromise with others for greater good. However, that hope appears to be fading each day. It seems that both conservatism and the Republican Party are increasingly losing influence.

After the passage of the Civil Rights Act, the Republican Party lost African American voters for generations; since then, the GOP has never received more than 20% of the African American vote. In 2024, President Trump achieved nearly 45% support among Hispanic voters—primarily due to the Democratic Party’s inability to fulfill promises made to the Hispanic community. Nevertheless, the mass deportation policies implemented under President Trump have caused significant concern among Hispanic Americans, demonstrating that when Republicans advocate for "mass deportation," it results in families being separated and homes disrupted. This experience has likely diminished future support from Hispanic voters, suggesting that, much like with African American voters, the Republican Party risks losing Hispanic voter support for generations to come.

Since 2010, the Republican Party has focused on consolidating a single demographic and its interests. However, this group's share of the electorate is declining and is projected to lose majority status in America in near future.

Over the last 15 years, the percentage of people identifying as Christian has dropped by 17%, further weakening the coalition the Republicans once relied on.

Another emerging concern for Republicans is Pope Leo’s redefinition of the term "pro-life." Today, leading Catholic authorities are directly raising questions such as, “Can you be pro-life if you support mass deportation?” In the near future, mainstream Protestant communities in America will be forced to address this issue. Although not all Protestants may shift their perspective, some are likely to reassess their views. This could lead to divisions among pro-life supporters: one group may continue to advocate strictly for the protection of unborn children and opposition to abortion, while others may broaden their understanding of pro-life principles to include social justice issues—such as supporting the poor and caring for those in need—as part of the biblical concept of the “sanctity of life.” As a result, Republicans risk losing another segment of their interest groups in the near future.

Yet, current observations suggest that the Republican Party appears unconcerned with prevailing trends, shifting demographics, or changes in religious affiliation within the United States. They do not seem to recognize many groups distancing themselves from the party or the implications these changes may have for their future.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump administration ‘inadvertently’ deported transgender woman to Mexico despite judge’s concern she may face torture there​

The Trump administration admitted it “inadvertently” deported a transgender woman to Mexico this month after a judge ordered she not be removed to the country over fears she may be tortured or violently persecuted. [emphasis added]

“ICE confirmed that your client was removed to Mexico inadvertently,” Department of Justice attorney Shannon Smitherman wrote in an email filed in court. The next day, she wrote, “ICE stands ready to remedy the inadvertent removal by allowing your client to voluntarily reenter the United States if your client wishes to do so.”

 

[essentialsaltes]

79-Year-Old World War II Refugee Remains in ICE Custody After Living in the U.S. for Over 70 Years​

 

[Valletta]

“Secretary Neom unleashed ICE to deliver on the President’s mandate from the American people to remove criminal illegal aliens from our country.”

ICE Arrests Worst of the Worst Criminal Illegal Aliens Including Pedophiles and Murderers | Homeland Security

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced the arrest of more worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens from across the country convicted of heinous crimes including lewd acts with a child under 14, second degree manslaughter, and attempted murder.

www.dhs.gov

 

[essentialsaltes]

“Secretary Neom unleashed ICE to deliver on the President’s mandate from the American people to remove criminal illegal aliens from our country.”

Yes, that lie that it was about 'removing criminals' and the 'worst of the worst' is a large part of what's motivating the anger.

And then there are the methods being used on noncriminals, legal residents, and citizens.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Maybe they should stop lying about the citizens they shoot and/or arrest for protesting their actions.

Federal prosecutors drop charges against Marimar Martinez, woman shot by CBP agent in Chicago​

In a statement on the decision to dismiss the charges, U.S. Attorney's office spokesman Joseph Fitzpatrick said in a statement that federal prosecutors are "constantly evaluating new facts and information relating to cases and investigations arising out of Operation Midway Blitz, the largest ever law enforcement surge in the Northern District of Illinois."

In a court filing, her attorneys pointed to body camera video they said shows the agent turned his wheel and caused the crash before he jumped out of the car and started shooting.

Meantime, federal prosecutors on Thursday also dismissed charges against 70-year-old U.S. Air Force veteran Dana Briggs, who was arrested in September during protests in Broadview.

He was initially charged with felony assaulting or resisting federal agents, but the charges were downgraded to a misdemeanor in October. All charges against him have now been dropped.

 

[Belk]

 

[Gene2memE]

This seems like what the government should be doing in Federal court, while testifying under oath.

"Turning to Bovino, the Court specifically finds his testimony not credible. Bovino appeared evasive over the three days of his deposition, either providing “cute” responses to Plaintiffs’ counsel’s questions or outright lying.
...
Bovino’s and Hewson’s explanations ... strains credulity.

Most tellingly, Bovino admitted in his deposition that he lied multiple times about the events that occurred in Little Village that prompted him to throw tear gas at protesters.
...
Overall, after reviewing all the evidence, the Court finds that Defendants’ widespread misrepresentations call into question everything that Defendants say they are doing in their characterization of what is happening at the Broadview facility or out in the streets of the Chicagoland area during law enforcement activities."

https://cst.brightspotcdn.com/49/34/daecfb4d4b86971a884bd736a564/ellisopinion.pdf

But hey, the boss couldn't lie straight in bed and obviously doesn't care if his toadies follow the law, obey professional ethics or even exhibit basic human decency.

 

[rjs330]

No, that is still a straw man.

Do you want to deport all illegal aliens?

 

[rjs330]

I see you recognize that supporting a government which does not prohibit homosexuality be seen as inconsistent with biblical teachings. So , why don’t you understand that endorsing a government that treats individuals inhumanely is also contradictory to these values.

Easy, because I dont believe scripture was written as a treatise to government to tell them how they ought to operate. What laws they should have and not have.

And I do believe people that are picked up should be treated humanely. I already explained that.

Deporting half a family to another country while leaving an eight-year-old child in America is not humane. If you believe otherwise, our views on humanity and the love Jesus taught differ greatly.

I absolutely think that the parents should be able to take the child with them or leave the child. Its no different than sending someone to prison and separating them from their child.

Actually its better than that. People who are sent to prison don't have a choice but to leave their child behind.

At least with illegals they can take the kids with them or leave them.

Christians cannot separate government responsibilities they support from individual adherence to Gospel teachings. Whether in their homes, churches, communities, as individuals, members of a church, part of a larger community, or as a nation, practicing the teachings of Jesus is expected in daily life. Distinguishing between personal and communal application does not align with the principles taught by Christ.

I agree, so when you start supporting throwing divorcee's in jail along side homosexuals and liars I will believe you mean what you say.

Christians who adhere to the teachings of Christ in their personal lives but support governmental actions that contradict those teachings will be reminded by Jesus on the day of judgment, "I never knew you."

These laws do not contradict scriptural teachings. Immigration law is not a violation of scripture.

Every single detainee should be picked up and treated humanely according to our laws. Just like we treat every prisoner that is arrested for a crime.

They should be clothed, fed, watered, given medical attention and then deported.
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[camille70]

As a traditional conservative, I had hoped that following President Trump’s departure from office, the party would return to pre-Trump era conservatism characterized by greater moderation and centrist ideas, thereby fostering unity and compromise with others for greater good. However, that hope appears to be fading each day. It seems that both conservatism and the Republican Party are increasingly losing influence.

After the passage of the Civil Rights Act, the Republican Party lost African American voters for generations; since then, the GOP has never received more than 20% of the African American vote. In 2024, President Trump achieved nearly 45% support among Hispanic voters—primarily due to the Democratic Party’s inability to fulfill promises made to the Hispanic community. Nevertheless, the mass deportation policies implemented under President Trump have caused significant concern among Hispanic Americans, demonstrating that when Republicans advocate for "mass deportation," it results in families being separated and homes disrupted. This experience has likely diminished future support from Hispanic voters, suggesting that, much like with African American voters, the Republican Party risks losing Hispanic voter support for generations to come.

Since 2010, the Republican Party has focused on consolidating a single demographic and its interests. However, this group's share of the electorate is declining and is projected to lose majority status in America in near future.

Over the last 15 years, the percentage of people identifying as Christian has dropped by 17%, further weakening the coalition the Republicans once relied on.

Another emerging concern for Republicans is Pope Leo’s redefinition of the term "pro-life." Today, leading Catholic authorities are directly raising questions such as, “Can you be pro-life if you support mass deportation?” In the near future, mainstream Protestant communities in America will be forced to address this issue. Although not all Protestants may shift their perspective, some are likely to reassess their views. This could lead to divisions among pro-life supporters: one group may continue to advocate strictly for the protection of unborn children and opposition to abortion, while others may broaden their understanding of pro-life principles to include social justice issues—such as supporting the poor and caring for those in need—as part of the biblical concept of the “sanctity of life.” As a result, Republicans risk losing another segment of their interest groups in the near future.

Yet, current observations suggest that the Republican Party appears unconcerned with prevailing trends, shifting demographics, or changes in religious affiliation within the United States. They do not seem to recognize many groups distancing themselves from the party or the implications these changes may have for their future.

The GOP's anti Blackness is what keeps Black people from voting for them. There are plenty of Black people who agree with the prolife/anti abortion stances, but won't support the GOP because of the racism. They used Black people as the boogeyman for decades to get White people to vote against their own interests, and now they are doing the same with Hispanics. At first Hispanics thought the GOP made a distinction between legal and undocumented, but now they are coming to the realization that they don't, and even if they did, they don't mind violating the civil rights of the legal immigrants and citizens to get to the undocumented who aren't really a threat. The GOP is expecting us to believe that undocumented folks are simultaneously taking all the jobs and getting all the federal benefits at the expense of average Americans. Last year they were eating dogs and cats and now not only are they sneaking across the border, they are bringing their cattle with them.

Just like with Black people in the past, they want White people to think the presence of anyone not White means less for them and that these "others" are getting things White people paid for for free. They say whatever is necessary to scare people into voting GOP. Fear works. Anyone using this tactic should be a major red flag. The bible tells us over and over again to fear not. Yet somehow Christians seem more susceptible to the message. It's just the opposite for dems. They put too much faith in norms and laws. If you say due to xyz, we believe bad thing xyz is going to happen, they call it fearmongering and refuse to act. The said this about SCOTUS, overturning Roe and several other things.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

They should be clothed, fed, watered, given medical attention and then deported.
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A person brought to America at age 5 is deported 35 years later, at age 40, along with his family to a country he doesn't know, where he has no connections and barely speaks the language and expect them to survive?

You immigrated to America, so you understand the challenges of adapting, working hard, and establishing a life. The United States is known as a country of freedom and opportunity. Consider a situation where someone is forced to returned to Venezuela after 35 years or another 3rd world country along with their American citizen spouse and children; it raises questions about the fairness and humanity of such actions.

As a Christian for 45 years, I find it difficult to understand how those who claim to have the Holy Spirit in them believe such treatment of others aligns with the teachings from the Sermon on the Mount.

 

[camille70]

“We’re Broken”: As Federal Prisons Run Low on Food and Toilet Paper, Corrections Officers Are Leaving in Droves for ICE

Many of the problems the agency is facing now are not new, but staff and prisoners fear an exodus of officers could make life behind bars even worse.

As Federal Prisons Run Low on Food and Toilet Paper, Corrections Officers Leave in Droves for ICE

Many of the problems the agency is facing now are not new, but staff and prisoners fear an exodus of officers could make life behind bars even worse.

www.propublica.org

 

[essentialsaltes]

RI judge intervenes after ICE wrongfully detains Superior Court intern​

Multiple sources told Target 12 that Rhode Island sheriffs earlier noticed someone taking photos of the intern inside the courthouse and in Superior Court Judge McBurney’s courtroom. When approached, the individual identified himself as an ICE agent and was told to abide by standard courthouse rules, and to stop taking pictures.

The intern was reportedly shaken, so McBurney offered to drive him home. ICE agents then surrounded the judge’s car and demanded everyone to exit the vehicle, threatening to smash in the windows if they did not comply.

Dana Smith, Head of Security Operations for R.I. Superior Court, confronted the agents and told both the judge and the intern to stay inside the car. After an argument, ICE confirmed they had misidentified the teen and left. The intern was released once his ID was checked.

“Rhode Islanders should not have to fear federal agents operating with such reckless disregard for the law and human dignity,” [Gov.] McKee said. “This was not a harmless mistake. It was the direct result of callous and chaotic policies by the Trump administration. Moreover, ICE’s failure to exercise even a shred of due diligence is shameful and underscores just how broken and dangerous these federal policies are.”

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

The GOP's anti Blackness is what keeps Black people from voting for them. There are plenty of Black people who agree with the prolife/anti abortion stances, but won't support the GOP because of the racism. They used Black people as the boogeyman for decades to get White people to vote against their own interests, and now they are doing the same with Hispanics. At first Hispanics thought the GOP made a distinction between legal and undocumented, but now they are coming to the realization that they don't, and even if they did, they don't mind violating the civil rights of the legal immigrants and citizens to get to the undocumented who aren't really a threat. The GOP is expecting us to believe that undocumented folks are simultaneously taking all the jobs and getting all the federal benefits at the expense of average Americans. Last year they were eating dogs and cats and now not only are they sneaking across the border, they are bringing their cattle with them.

Just like with Black people in the past, they want White people to think the presence of anyone not White means less for them and that these "others" are getting things White people paid for for free. They say whatever is necessary to scare people into voting GOP. Fear works. Anyone using this tactic should be a major red flag. The bible tells us over and over again to fear not. Yet somehow Christians seem more susceptible to the message. It's just the opposite for dems. They put too much faith in norms and laws. If you say due to xyz, we believe bad thing xyz is going to happen, they call it fearmongering and refuse to act. The said this about SCOTUS, overturning Roe and several other things.

The distinction between African American and Hispanic-American experiences lies in the fact that African-Americans encounter direct anti-Black discrimination, whereas Hispanics have predominantly been subject to negative rhetoric, particularly over the past two decades, but may not experience the same level of overt discriminatory actions.

Last year, many Hispanic individuals chose to disregard the demagogic remarks made during the campaign, focusing instead on positive commentary about the economy and other relevant factors while ignoring negative comments. However, today such demagogic statements are no longer merely rhetorical; they have been translated into action, and many Hispanic are now experiencing the consequences firsthand.

Therefore, in the next election, when Hispanic-Americans hear similar demagogic remarks, many will not view them as merely campaign promises intended to energize the base. Instead, they will genuinely believe that such statements will lead to family separations and the deportation of relatives, neighbors, or even the women who work in their homes.

As I mentioned in my previous post, African American voters have shifted away from the GOP for generations. In the past ten months, actions taken by the current administration are likely to cause millions of Hispanic Americans to move away from the GOP for generations as well.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

This seems like what the government should be doing in Federal court, while testifying under oath.

"Turning to Bovino, the Court specifically finds his testimony not credible. Bovino appeared evasive over the three days of his deposition, either providing “cute” responses to Plaintiffs’ counsel’s questions or outright lying.
...
Bovino’s and Hewson’s explanations ... strains credulity.

Most tellingly, Bovino admitted in his deposition that he lied multiple times about the events that occurred in Little Village that prompted him to throw tear gas at protesters.
...
Overall, after reviewing all the evidence, the Court finds that Defendants’ widespread misrepresentations call into question everything that Defendants say they are doing in their characterization of what is happening at the Broadview facility or out in the streets of the Chicagoland area during law enforcement activities."

https://cst.brightspotcdn.com/49/34/daecfb4d4b86971a884bd736a564/ellisopinion.pdf

But hey, the boss couldn't lie straight in bed and obviously doesn't care if his toadies follow the law, obey professional ethics or even exhibit basic human decency.

“The fish stinks from the head down.”

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Do you want to deport all illegal aliens?

No, we don’t want to deport all illegal aliens.

The majority of Americans want the border to be secure so that individuals without proper legal status cannot enter the United States. Most also support deporting violent undocumented criminals, ensuring they cannot return to the country. However, for undocumented immigrants whose only offense is entering unlawfully—yet have since become hardworking contributors to society and assimilated into American life—there is support for granting them legal status and a possible pathway to citizenship if they choose to remain in the U.S.

This perspective is not exclusively liberal; it has been shared by both conservative and liberal politicians over the past 50 years, from Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush to Barack Obama and even Mitt Romney.