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[Strong in Him]

Why is he ?

Because I believe the account in Joshua. At least, I believe that there was daylight for 24 hours, which is what they wanted.
From their perspective it looked as though it was the sun which stopped. Was it? As I said, no one went up in space to observe the sun, and the Lord gave scientists the ability to discover that it's the earth that moves, not the sun.

Why does it matter?
Should God have answered Joshua, "can't do that old chap because it's not actually the sun that moves - here, let me explain it to you"? If he had done that, Israel's enemies would have defeated them.
God knew what Joshua needed - the literal words of his prayer were wrong, but God answered anyway.
Doesn't that back up what Jesus said; a) that our Father knows what we need before we aske him, and b) that words and lengthy prayers are not important to God?

Why does this mean that if we don't accept the literal words in the Bible we are doubting God?

 

[Apple Sky]

Because I believe the account in Joshua. At least, I believe that there was daylight for 24 hours, which is what they wanted.
From their perspective it looked as though it was the sun which stopped. Was it? As I said, no one went up in space to observe the sun, and the Lord gave scientists the ability to discover that it's the earth that moves, not the sun.

Why does it matter?
Should God have answered Joshua, "can't do that old chap because it's not actually the sun that moves - here, let me explain it to you"? If he had done that, Israel's enemies would have defeated them.
God knew what Joshua needed - the literal words of his prayer were wrong, but God answered anyway.
Doesn't that back up what Jesus said; a) that our Father knows what we need before we aske him, and b) that words and lengthy prayers are not important to God?

Why does this mean that if we don't accept the literal words in the Bible we are doubting God?

It makes no odds what you say, God did stop the sun from circuiting the sky for Joshua.

 

[Strong in Him]

It makes no odds what you say, God did stop the sun from circuiting the sky for Joshua.

That's not an honest response.
I have said that I believe the sun did not go down for 24 hours - 24 hours of daylight so that Israel could defeat their enemies.
THAT is the miracle. Why can you not understand that - or do you, but you can't admit it because that would destroy your beliefs?

God did stop the sun from circuiting the sky for Joshua.

How do you know it was the sun; were you there?

This also sounds like "I don't care what you say; I believe what I want."

 

[Apple Sky]

How do you know it was the sun; were you there?

I trust in God's word.

 

[Strong in Him]

I trust in God's word.

And God's word was written from Joshua's perspective - it was not a scientific account dictated by God.

Why are you ignoring a great miracle and just fixating on individual words?

 

[Apple Sky]

Why are you ignoring a great miracle and just fixating on individual words?

Why are you ?

 

[Jerry N.]

I trust in God's word.

It is a good thing to trust God’s word, but you have to take into account who wrote it, why, to whom, when, and in what context. God used human beings to write the Bible, so the writers influenced the texts. If it wasn’t that way, your faith would be in the Bible more than God and the saving work of His Son. Your faith would be misdirected. Everything in the Bible is true from the perspective of the writers, but you have to uncover the truth revealed through the writers. That is why one must study the word throughout life. It is actually a marvelous thing that should enforce your faith in our wonderful God and His Son. Otherwise, you would treat the Bible like Muslims treat the Korean, which is a form of idolatry.

 

[Strong in Him]

Why are you ?

I'm not.
I've told you, several times, that God caused there to be 24 hours of daylight. God stepped in and, momentarily, altered the laws of nature.
The result was that the Israelites had daylight so that they could see to finish their battle and defeat their enemies.

It seems you don't understand that.

 

[Apple Sky]

I've told you, several times, that God caused there to be 24 hours of daylight. God stepped in and, momentarily, altered the laws of nature.

How do you know, were you there ?

 

[Strong in Him]

How do you know, were you there ?

That's what the Bible says.

 

[Hentenza]

@Apple Sky also hasn't told us how flights from Sydney to Santiago take less time than flights from Sydney to Los Angeles, despite the shortest route on her flat earth map for the former being almost double the distance of the latter, and passes over L.A.
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I had a flat earther tell me a while back that when planes get to the edge they automatically come out at the other side. I guess the startrek transporter really works. Lol

 

[Apple Sky]

That's what the Bible says.

It says :

On the day that the LORD gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance upon its enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? “So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.” There has been no day like it before or since, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man, because the LORD fought for Israel Joshua 10:12-14

 

[prodromos]

@Apple Sky and @d taylor both demonstrate an understanding of God which is little different from the pagans. After all, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon are two local light sources, it is of no consequence to pause their movement in the sky or even move them backwards. It is no great miracle at all, it is not even supernatural.

For those who understand that the earth is a massive rotating globe in orbit around the sun however, this miracle is huge, because it demonstrates God is master of every facet of His creation, suspending the very laws of physics. If God were to stop the rotation of the earth without suspending the physical laws, all life on earth would have been destroyed in moments as mountains would have collapsed and oceans rushed over the dry land.

Thus, for the globe earth, the miracles of Joshua and Hezekiah highlight for us the absolute power and majesty of our infinite God. For the flat earth, it highlights how weak and pathetic their view of God is, and how He is no different from how the pagans perceive God to be. For the flat earth, He is the God of the bounded terrarium. For the globe earth, He is the God of the unbounded universe.

 

[Apple Sky]

@Apple Sky and @d taylor both demonstrate an understanding of God which is little different from the pagans. After all, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon are two local light sources, it is of no consequence to pause their movement in the sky or even move them backwards. It is no great miracle at all, it is not even supernatural.

For those who understand that the earth is a massive rotating globe in orbit around the sun however, this miracle is huge, because it demonstrates God is master of every facet of His creation, suspending the very laws of physics. If God were to stop the rotation of the earth without suspending the physical laws, all life on earth would have been destroyed in moments as mountains would have collapsed and oceans rushed over the dry land.

Thus, for the globe earth, the miracles of Joshua and Hezekiah highlight for us the absolute power and majesty of our infinite God. For the flat earth, it highlights how weak and pathetic their view of God is, and how He is no different for how the pagans perceive God to be.

“So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.”

 

[Strong in Him]

It says :

On the day that the LORD gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance upon its enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? “So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.” There has been no day like it before or since, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man, because the LORD fought for Israel Joshua 10:12-14

1. "The sun delayed going down a whole day" - yes. There was no night. Evening did NOT come, as in Genesis 1, God altered the laws of nature - that's what I said.
2. It was from Joshua's perspective that the sun stopped - because to us on earth it LOOKS as though it is the sun which moves across the sky.
"The sun stood still" is not a scientific description and that phrase was not dictated by God.

There are two verses which talk about people going to the 4 corners of the earth - you are very happy to dismiss them as "allegory" because a 4 cornered shaped earth does not fit with your idea of a level, circular one.
Saying that there are no 4 corners of the earth because the writer was using an allegory, and then criticising us for not believing that a verse in Joshua is literal, is a dishonest approach to Scripture. The most charitable explanation would be that you don't understand. A less charitable one would say you are deliberately making Scripture say what you want it to say to fit your beliefs.

 

[Strong in Him]

“So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.”

In other words, "I have no answer/don't like your explanation, so I'm just going to keep repeating myself."

 

[prodromos]

“So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.”

Yes. That is how it appeared from the perspective of the Israelites and their enemies.

 

[Apple Sky]

It was from Joshua's perspective that the sun stopped - because to us on earth it LOOKS as though it is the sun which moves across the sky.

It doesn't look as if the sun is moving across the sky, it actually does move across the sky & runs it's circuit.

 

[Phil G]

It doesn't look as if the sun is moving across the sky, it actually does move across the sky & runs it's circuit.

The Bible says the sun delayed going down. Not it delayed its circuit.

 

[Strong in Him]

It doesn't look as if the sun is moving across the sky, it actually does move across the sky & runs it's circuit.

No, it doesn't.

You don't understand science or Scripture; you are in no position to argue.