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[Jerry N.]

Says who ? @prodromos has helped me understand flight paths on a globe which in turn helps me to figure out why F/E's say the opposite.
Don't judge a book by it's cover.

I don’t know what the cover looks like. However, I know that you tend to just deny things you disagree with without giving proper consideration. For example, I gave you a list of 15 things that have been presented on this thread, and three more have been added. Your answers are almost always something like “No, it is not true.” You ask for photographic proof, and then say they are probably bogus when they are given. I don’t mean to be disrespectful to you, but you are not making rebuttals that indicate a sincere desire to understand. I’m not saying that you don’t want help with whatever problems you might have personally, but I am saying you don’t want help in understanding that the earth is a globe.

 

[Apple Sky]

The Ouroboros snake represents the cycle of life, not Antarctica.

I asked - Does the ouroboros symbolize the encircling of the earth.

The answer;

AI Overview

Yes, in several ancient mythologies and belief systems, a world-encircling serpent or dragon that bites its own tail (an ouroboros motif) is a central figure.

 

[Apple Sky]

I’m not saying that you don’t want help with whatever problems you might have personally,

My personal problems have nothing to do with this thread or F/E.

 

[Phil G]

My personal problems have nothing to do with this thread or F/E.

Why do you pick on that when the rest of what @Jerry N. said is the whole point that you do not give proper consideration to anything we have said?

Instead you carry on posting nonsensical conspiracy theories that are completely irrelevant to the facts which have been presented here.

 

[Jerry N.]

My personal problems have nothing to do with this thread or F/E.

That wasn't my point.

 

[Apple Sky]

Instead you carry on posting nonsensical conspiracy theories that are completely irrelevant to the facts which have been presented here.

What like the earth is level or the earth is encircled by Antarctica ? These are not conspiracy theories they are the truth. Okay I have no evidence for these but I can assure you they are the truth. The Bible is a good indicator towards this but I'm not using Scripture, just google Biblical Cosmology.

AI Overview

Biblical cosmology is the ancient Hebrew and early Christian view of the structure of the universe, which includes an ordered cosmos, its origin, meaning, and destiny. This view, developed over centuries by many authors, is not always consistent but generally describes a three-tiered world: the heavens (where God resides), the earth (a flat disc with a dome-like firmament above), and the underworld (Sheol) below the earth. God created the universe out of nothing, and the cosmos is often described as being surrounded by chaotic, primordial waters.

 

[prodromos]

What like the earth is level or the earth is encircled by Antarctica ? These are not conspiracy theories they are the truth. Okay I have no evidence for these but I can assure you they are the truth. The Bible is a good indicator towards this but I'm not using Scripture, just google Biblical Cosmology.

"Truth"

 

[prodromos]

I think I've asked them this before but a scaled down model which displays the sun, moon and all the stars - But alas no joy.

Some guys put together a scale model of our Solar System in the Nevada desert

And in Melbourne, down under. There is a scale model of the Solar System on a bike trail along the waterfront, which includes our nearest star (but to scale you actually have to go once around the earth)

 

[Phil G]

What like the earth is level or the earth is encircled by Antarctica ? These are not conspiracy theories they are the truth. Okay I have no evidence for these but I can assure you they are the truth.

You cannot assure me of any such thing. It's folly to believe in something which is contradicted by the evidence. If someone tells me something which is obviously false, how can I believe that as the truth?

AI Overview

Biblical cosmology is the ancient Hebrew and early Christian view of the structure of the universe, which includes an ordered cosmos, its origin, meaning, and destiny. This view, developed over centuries by many authors, is not always consistent but generally describes a three-tiered world: the heavens (where God resides), the earth (a flat disc with a dome-like firmament above), and the underworld (Sheol) below the earth. God created the universe out of nothing, and the cosmos is often described as being surrounded by chaotic, primordial waters.

So you believe an AI overview which states the Bible is not consistent. That is not our belief as Christians. The Bible is entirely consistent, and it does not state the actual shape of the earth anywhere.

You fail, as does the AI overview, to understand poetry and metaphor. The reality of the evidence of our world and universe proves beyond doubt that the metaphors and poetry used in Scripture are not to be taken literally.

 

[Apple Sky]

If someone tells me something which is obviously false, how can I believe that as the truth?

I know how you feel, I get this all the time.

 

[BNR32FAN]

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They are always asking you to produce a flat earth model. Well ask them to produce an actual physical 3d globe showing the land masses at 100% accurate size.

Real Country Sizes Shown on Mercator Projection (Updated) - Engaging Data

Cause this ain't it

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Brilliant, so Canada is smaller than the United States? And why is Alaska disconnected from Canada and sitting out on its own not connected to any continent? Is Alaska an island? You’d think that people who’ve driven to Alaska might’ve noticed this. Your geography is just as bad as your theology, it’s all nonsense.

 

[Phil G]

I know how you feel, I get this all the time.

Stop playing games. You have proven that you will never believe that the earth is a globe, even when the evidence for a globe earth is overwhelming. That's an irrational belief. It's a sign of indoctrination.

It also reveals that you haven't the slighted intention of considering how the flight paths @prodromos referred to contradict flat earth. Your only intention is to try to find a flat earth reason for it, and if you can't, just to ignore the blatant evidence.

 

[Apple Sky]

It also reveals that you haven't the slighted intention of considering how the flight paths @prodromos referred to contradict flat earth.

How do you know what my intention are ? For all you know I maybe considering that he may actually be right.
I have find out what F/E's have to say first to see which makes the more sense.

 

[Phil G]

How do you know what my intention are ? For all you know I maybe considering that he may actually be right.
I have find out what F/E's have to say first to see which makes the more sense.

It's obvious. You've said before that you will never believe in a globe earth. You have said you will never believe that satellites exist, with or without evidence.

If there was even the slightest possibility in your head that @prodromos might be right, you would shelve your flat earth beliefs until you knew for certain.

You've proven how hard it is for anyone to show you that you don't pay attention to context. Regarding the edited snippet of Buzz Aldrin's interview you posted on this thread, you insisted that he said he didn't go to the moon. You insisted you knew what you heard.

But you were proven wrong. Not only does that prove that you pay no attention to context, it also proves the person who posted that video on YouTube is a deceiver.

How many other deceivers have you listened to, been taken in by, because you don't pay attention to context?

 

[Jerry N.]

You cannot assure me of any such thing. It's folly to believe in something which is contradicted by the evidence. If someone tells me something which is obviously false, how can I believe that as the truth?


So you believe an AI overview which states the Bible is not consistent. That is not our belief as Christians. The Bible is entirely consistent, and it does not state the actual shape of the earth anywhere.

You fail, as does the AI overview, to understand poetry and metaphor. The reality of the evidence of our world and universe proves beyond doubt that the metaphors and poetry used in Scripture are not to be taken literally.

Saying the Bible uses “poetry and metaphor” does not fully explain the problem. We are not writing about Song of Songs. Of course, we could argue about the meaning. If I say the sun moves from east to west, it is not actually a metaphor, even if I know the earth is moving and not the sun. It is describing what I actually see. Moses could see the firmament and the “waters” and he merely described them. The “waters” could be any number of things that Moses didn’t have words for or could understand, or just water. Job and Jonah are poetry and metaphor in describing the earth. In all cases of ancient cosmology, the relationships between the gods and the creation are the key teachings. In the case of Moses, he is focused on God being the creator of all things and in a relationship to mankind. Our God is not some local deity pretending to be a planet. Our God is creator of all things, who brought them into existence and organized them both physically and spiritually. Moses wasn’t thinking about the scientists of the 21st Century, he was revealing the essence of the Almighty. This was new and important.
Edit: I might also add that there is a huge difference between Cosmology and Astronomy.

 

[Jerry N.]

This is an interesting text:

Focusing on the rhetorical tactics through which denialism is achieved in language, in Alex Gillespie (2020)[17] of the London School of Economics has reviewed the linguistic and practical defensive tactics for denying disruptive information. These tactics are conceptualized in terms of three layers of defence:

--Avoiding – The first line of defence against disruptive information is to avoid it.

--Delegitimizing – The second line of defence is to attack the messenger, by undermining the credibility of the source.

--Limiting – The final line of defence, if disruptive information cannot be avoided or delegitimized, is to rationalize and limit the impact of the disruptive ideas.

Denialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Apple Sky]

If I say the sun moves from east to west, it is not actually a metaphor, even if I know the earth is moving and not the sun.

You see this gets me every time, to say the earth is moving and not the sun is to say that this verse is wrong in Joshua 10:13 the verse that says it all.

 

[Jerry N.]

You see this gets me every time, to say the earth is moving and not the sun is to say that this verse is wrong in Joshua 10:13 the verse that says it all.

I’m at a complete loss. It is too exasperating.

 

[Phil G]

Saying the Bible uses “poetry and metaphor” does not fully explain the problem. We are not writing about Song of Songs. Of course, we could argue about the meaning. If I say the sun moves from east to west, it is not actually a metaphor, even if I know the earth is moving and not the sun. It is describing what I actually see. Moses could see the firmament and the “waters” and he merely described them. The “waters” could be any number of things that Moses didn’t have words for or could understand, or just water. Job and Jonah are poetry and metaphor in describing the earth. In all cases of ancient cosmology, the relationships between the gods and the creation are the key teachings. In the case of Moses, he is focused on God being the creator of all things and in a relationship to mankind. Our God is not some local deity pretending to be a planet. Our God is creator of all things, who brought them into existence and organized them both physically and spiritually. Moses wasn’t thinking about the scientists of the 21st Century, he was revealing the essence of the Almighty. This was new and important.
Edit: I might also add that there is a huge difference between Cosmology and Astronomy.

Yes, I was just simplifying the matter. If I was to explain better, I’d write similar to you. But then I’ve done such before and all she generally dies is pick on sentence and argue about, or try to be smart about it

 

[Phil G]

I’m at a complete loss. It is too exasperating.

It’s like trying to get a politician to answer a straight question