The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

[Servus]

What's really going on...

1 minute video.

 

[A2SG]

The Democrats are refusing to sign the CR to reopen the government, even if that means SNAP is cut off and 1.5 million government employees go without pay.

Trump has the funds to keep SNAP going, and court orders have required him to do so. His refusing those court orders isn't on Democrats.

The Republicans never said they refuse health care. They are however refusing to give into blackmail.

Of course they won't admit that. But it is what they are doing.

-- A2SG. not like anyone expects honesty from the GOP these days....

 

[Servus]

Trump has the funds to keep SNAP going, and court orders have required him to do so. His refusing those court orders isn't on Democrats.


Of course they won't admit that. But it is what they are doing.

The Democrats are willing to keep the shutdown going regardless of SNAP being paid out or not.

As of November 8, 2025, the Trump administration is actively seeking to withhold a portion of the funding needed to fully pay for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits for November amid a government shutdown. The administration argues it lacks the legal authority and sufficient funds to provide the full amount. - Google

Only the Democrats signing the CR will result in an immediate resolution to SNAP and 1.5 civil servants finally getting paid.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump healthcare plan just dropped.

Everyone knows individuals can negotiate the best healthcare prices possible!

 

[Hans Blaster]

Trump healthcare plan just dropped.

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Everyone knows individuals can negotiate the best healthcare prices possible!

President Biff Tannen doesn't seem to understand how risk spreading works. It is the principle behind *all* insurance. It is no wonder he failed in a business based on the same statistical principles.

 

[Desk trauma]

Trump healthcare plan just dropped.

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Everyone knows individuals can negotiate the best healthcare prices possible!

It just keeps getting dumber.

 

[Bradskii]

In passing...https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/08/senate-republicans-trump-obamacare

'...a social media post on Saturday from Markwayne Mullin, an Oklahoma senator. Mullin posted four photographs of himself and two other Republican senators meeting with Trump in the Oval Office, with the caption: “Working through the weekend with President Donald J Trump. It’s always an honor to be in the Oval Office– I never take this opportunity to serve Oklahoma for granted.”

Well, at least Trump is there in the Oval Office, nose to the grindstone, working whatever hours needed to end this dispute on behalf of all Americans. Except...

'...the photographs were taken on Friday, before Trump left for a weekend golf trip at his Florida resort.'

Let them eat cake!

 

[A2SG]

The Democrats are willing to keep the shutdown going regardless of SNAP being paid out or not.

Because the shutdown needn't affect SNAP benefits. It only does because the Republicans want it that way.

As of November 8, 2025, the Trump administration is actively seeking to withhold a portion of the funding needed to fully pay for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits for November amid a government shutdown. The administration argues it lacks the legal authority and sufficient funds to provide the full amount. - Google

Only the Democrats signing the CR will result in an immediate resolution to SNAP and 1.5 civil servants finally getting paid.

Trump can say that he "lacks the legal authority" to provide funds, but he's lying.

-- A2SG, shocker, I know....

 

[Job 33:6]

Trump healthcare plan just dropped.

View attachment 372905

Everyone knows individuals can negotiate the best healthcare prices possible!

It kind of feels like America has just become a steaming pile of garbage in healthcare.

You have all these nations with universal healthcare, receiving healthcare for a fraction of the cost, with better health outcomes and longer average lifespans.

And yet, despite this being the case for decades, the US is still caught up in his darwinism-esque survival of the fittest, may the best insurance provider win. As if when someone is having a heart attack, they're sitting around investigating which hospital will save them money.

 

[Valletta]

It kind of feels like America has just become a steaming pile of garbage in healthcare.

You have all these nations with universal healthcare, receiving healthcare for a fraction of the cost, with better health outcomes and longer average lifespans.

And yet, despite this being the case for decades, the US is still caught up in his darwinism-esque survival of the fittest, may the best insurance provider win. As if when someone is having a heart attack, they're sitting around investigating which hospital will save them money.

I still remember Pelosi--pass the bill and read it later. She got rich, the insurers got rich. What a disaster, we still have not eliminated it:

The Obamacare secret at the heart of the shutdown: insurers made billions at taxpayer expense

Subsidies were greatly expanded by the Biden administration during the COVID-19 pandemic as an emergency measure, but Democrats have fought to keep them permanent. Those subsidies went mostly to Democratic donors.

justthenews.com

The more illegals that are gone the less the strain on our healthcare system.

 

[Job 33:6]

I still remember Pelosi--pass the bill and read it later. She got rich, the insurers got rich. What a disaster, we still have not eliminated it:

The Obamacare secret at the heart of the shutdown: insurers made billions at taxpayer expense

Subsidies were greatly expanded by the Biden administration during the COVID-19 pandemic as an emergency measure, but Democrats have fought to keep them permanent. Those subsidies went mostly to Democratic donors.

justthenews.com

It's not even a Democrat issue so much as it is an America issue. Private insurers are just ballooning financially. And the government is not regulating their income. American medical providers, hospitals, and drug companies charge far higher prices than their European counterparts. And rather than regulating, Democrats and Republicans alike are basically just giving these insurance companies more authority by saying, we need to keep government out of the way of private insurers, or government should depend on private insurers.

Rather than proposing an option of having a government insurer itself.

 

[Bradskii]

The more illegals that are gone the less the strain on our healthcare system.

What a farcical excuse for the worst healthcare of any modernised democracy. Hey, why don't you actually show us how this farcical claim actually works. Show us some figures, give us some data, reveal the evidence. I don't mind waiting while you investigate because I am certain that you've made zero effort to do so thus far.

 

[Valletta]

What a farcical excuse for the worst healthcare of any modernised democracy. Hey, why don't you actually show us how this farcical claim actually works. Show us some figures, give us some data, reveal the evidence. I don't mind waiting while you investigate because I am certain that you've made zero effort to do so thus far.

It's not an excuse for Obamacare. It's common sense that with less people and the same amount of doctors that doctors will have more time per patient and thus better healthcare. Obamacare was subsidized from the beginning to hide the actual costs, and prices have gone up and up, the insurance companies and the Pelosis got rich and yet there were not better outcomes for patients. President Trump pushed competition in his first term, and that's the way to go.

 

[Bradskii]

It's common sense that with less people and the same amount of doctors that doctors will have more time per patient and thus better healthcare.

Then show us what sort of figures we're talking about. Don't treat us like morons, making claims and expecting us to accept them. Back them up. Who is getting health care that you think shouldn't? How much does that cost as a percentage of overall costs? How much will healthcare drop, if at all, for an individual?

I know you won't do any of this because all you have is a fact free claim. I'm only asking the questions to show that you cannot answer.

 

[Valletta]

Then show us what sort of figures we're talking about. Don't treat us like morons, making claims and expecting us to accept them. Back them up. Who is getting health care that you think shouldn't? How much does that cost as a percentage of overall costs? How much will healthcare drop, if at all, for an individual?

I know you won't do any of this because all you have is a fact free claim. I'm only asking the questions to show that you cannot answer.

It's logic. Just like if you put repeat criminals in jail there will be less crimes committed than if they were out on the streets. Many illegals go to emergency rooms, and many emergency rooms do not inquire as to legal status. So there are no good numbers. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act prevents hospitals that participate in the Medicare program from denying care to patients that have an unstable condition. They are not there to check a person's legal status.

 

[mark46]

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The more illegals that are gone the less the strain on our healthcare system.

Why not simply deport all our poor (and those lame, sick) or simply refuse them medical service. Reducing the number of immigrants is NOT the answer to providing better service for our poor. The answer is for the society being willing to pay for medical services.

I am interested in providing better health care to more people. We are not the most unskilled and poorest of the world's democracies. We CAN do much better. Yes, we should be more efficient in our delivery of services. The PRIMARY issue is that the US is that the well-to-do are not willing to pay higher taxes. They prefer very low taxes for themselves and for Trump's millionaire friends.

Yes, having charities provide the help the poor is an option. We have a choice for the poor: pay for health care, have the government provide MORE help, count on charities to provide the help, or simply look the other way while the poor don't have access to healthcare.

 

[Bradskii]

It's logic. Just like if you put repeat criminals in jail there will be less crimes committed than if they were out on the streets. Many illegals go to emergency rooms, and many emergency rooms do not inquire as to legal status. So there are no good numbers. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act prevents hospitals that participate in the Medicare program from denying care to patients that have an unstable condition. They are not there to check a person's legal status.

So you have absolutely nothing to back up your claim other than 'Gee, it's common sense, isn't it?'

No, it actually isn't. What is common sense is that if a tiny number of people who need emergency help were refused such help because they might be illegal (what do you intend to do when someone is bleeding out? Leave her in the carpark?) then it would improve the worst healthcare system in the developed world.

And as someone recently said: 'many emergency rooms do not inquire as to legal status' so you have absolutely no idea how small the number actually is. So you're actually admitting that you're basing a nonsensical claim on information that isn't even available. Well, some estimates are available and it's less than 1% of total admissions. I'm not going to post a link to that info because you patently haven't bothered to do even the most cursory of investigations, so go find it yourself.

What a joke.

 

[A2SG]

I still remember Pelosi--pass the bill and read it later. She got rich, the insurers got rich. What a disaster, we still have not eliminated it:

The Obamacare secret at the heart of the shutdown: insurers made billions at taxpayer expense

Subsidies were greatly expanded by the Biden administration during the COVID-19 pandemic as an emergency measure, but Democrats have fought to keep them permanent. Those subsidies went mostly to Democratic donors.

justthenews.com

Because the GOP has offered nothing to replace it.

Probably because the Heritage Foundation already came up with the GOP's best idea (which became the ACA), and they've got nothing left. As has been noted many times before, a single payer plan would be far better, but that would dry up the campaign contributions coming from the billions of dollars in profit generated by the for-profit health insurance industry, so that won't fly.

Also, just out of curiosity because you made a point of it, exactly how much did Nancy Pelosi personally make from her financial interest in for-profit health insurance companies? I assume you know, because you made the claim.

-- A2SG, can you back up that claim?

 

[A2SG]

Why not simply deport all our poor (and those lame, sick) or simply refuse them medical service.

Seems to me someone came up with a plan along those lines a while back.

-- A2SG, wonder what ever came of that....