SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

[Dan Perez]

IF you don't accept the simplest citing of 1 John 4:7 or Matt. 10:34 or can't look up ALL the others yourself, why bother?

Were it me I'd challenge where I "think" I stand just to make sure

P.S. It's ALL THERE if you looked

And I do wear glasses BUT. in HEB 9:18 it says ::
# 1. WHERE. UPON //. HOTHEN. is a ADVERB

# 2. NEITHER // OUDE. is also a ADVERB

# 3. THE. // is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , in the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SIGNULAR

# 4. FIRST // PROTOS. in the NOMINATIVE CASE. , in the SINGULAR

# 5 ( TESTAMENT }. WAS. DEDICATED // EGKAINIZO in. the PERFECT TENSE. invite INDICATIVE MOOD invite SINGULAR

# 6. WITHOUT. //. CHORIS. is an. ADVERB

# 7. BLOOD //. HAIMA. is a GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the HEUTER

# A And what it means is the OLD COVENANT. was set aside because you needed a Priest and ALTER for

a blood sacrifice for sins

# B. BUT all animal sacrifice does not give life since Christ had not yet. died on. the CROSS

# C. AND SHED HIS BLOOD. on. the CROSS. will give ETERNAL LIFE

# D. The only be saved is what is. wrote I. ROM 10:9 and 10. .

# E And salvation is ONLY FOUND in. Pauls 13 letters to the BODY OF CHRIST

# F. AND the GOSPELS and do NOT TEACH THE BODY. of Christ !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

Romans 8:33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." 37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NKJV

Paul asks who will bring a charge against God's elect? He answers his question in the same verse, it is God who justifies. Then Paul asks who condemns us. Then He answers that question- it is Jesus. God the Father has granted all judgment to Jesus. Next Paul defines the love Jesus has for us. In verse 39 Paul states that no created thing can separate us from the love of God which is in Jesus.

John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. NKJV

Jesus is the vine and the Father, who is not a created thing, is the vinedresser. The vine dresser, the Father, separates all unfruitful branches from Jesus.

John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. NKJV

Jesus went on to say that we must abide in Him. If we do not abide in Jesus, we will be unfruitful, and the Father will separate us from Jesus. So, what work must we do to abide in Jesus?

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. NKJV

If we keep the 2 commandments given in verse 23, we abide in Jesus. Anyone who abides in Jesus is the elect.

And 1. John 3:22. and 23 witten to thwb. BODY. of CHRIST and ONLY PAUL. , the Apostles to GENTILES has written

to. the BODY. and Peter says that. Paul writes things that are HARD to. be understood and Peter is not our Apostle

And we were CHOSEN. // ELECTED before the OVER THREW. OF THE WORLD in Eph 1:4. !!

And we were PLACED INTO CHRIST. in 1 COR. 12:13. !!

AND IN. 1 Cor. 12:15-17 we. are CHRISTS FEET , HIS HANDS , WE ARE HIS EYES , ARE HIS EARS , His SENSE OF HEARING

and his SENSE OF SENSE ''

It mes we are CHRIST !!

AND 1 JOHN 3:22 and 23 IS NOT THE BODY OF CHRIST as 1 John is. WRITTEN to ISRAEL. and not to the

BODY OF CHRIST. and I will say you. are following , what yet in. the FUTURE , like the GREAT. TRIUBATION !!

Just wondering , just. who. taught you about. 1 John 3:22 and 23 , just. asking. ??

# A And I see. the following groups. !!


# B. BEGINNING with the OLD COVENANT GROUP

#B. THE NEW COVENANT GROUP

# C THE BODY of CHRIST GROUP

# D The NONE BELIEVERS GROUP


Where do you say. you are AT ???

dan p

 

[fli]

And 1. John 3:22. and 23 witten to thwb. BODY. of CHRIST and ONLY PAUL. , the Apostles to GENTILES has written

to. the BODY. and Peter says that. Paul writes things that are HARD to. be understood and Peter is not our Apostle

You say that only Paul wrote to the body of Christ therefore we are the body and not the Jewish believers,

Colossians 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church, NKJV

Paul said that His body is the church.

Matthew 16:18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. NKJV

Jesus told Peter that he would build His church on Peter's statement. Then He gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Giving Peter the keys means that He made Peter the chief steward over His entire church, which is His body. The rest of His disciples were lesser stewards over His kingdom. Peter and the other disciples were in charge of His entire church.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. NKJV

The 11 apostles were told to make disciples in all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They were to teach the nations to observe all things that Jesus commanded them. Everything that they (Peter, Mathew and John) taught, they were to teach to the church composed of all nations.

And we were CHOSEN. // ELECTED before the OVER THREW. OF THE WORLD in Eph 1:4. !!

And we were PLACED INTO CHRIST. in 1 COR. 12:13. !!

AND IN. 1 Cor. 12:15-17 we. are CHRISTS FEET , HIS HANDS , WE ARE HIS EYES , ARE HIS EARS , His SENSE OF HEARING

and his SENSE OF SENSE ''

It mes we are CHRIST !!

Christ is God. Are we Gods? Will we sit at the right hand of the Father?

AND 1 JOHN 3:22 and 23 IS NOT THE BODY OF CHRIST as 1 John is. WRITTEN to ISRAEL. and not to the

BODY OF CHRIST. and I will say you. are following , what yet in. the FUTURE , like the GREAT. TRIUBATION !!

Just wondering , just. who. taught you about. 1 John 3:22 and 23 , just. asking. ??

The word of God has been my teacher. I do not hold to your doctrine that the only apostle that I am to be taught by is Paul. So, you say that gentile believers do not need to obey 1John 3:22-23?

I find it almost impossible to read and understand what you write?

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And I do wear glasses BUT. in HEB 9:18 it says ::
# 1. WHERE. UPON //. HOTHEN. is a ADVERB

# 2. NEITHER // OUDE. is also a ADVERB

# 3. THE. // is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , in the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SIGNULAR

# 4. FIRST // PROTOS. in the NOMINATIVE CASE. , in the SINGULAR

# 5 ( TESTAMENT }. WAS. DEDICATED // EGKAINIZO in. the PERFECT TENSE. invite INDICATIVE MOOD invite SINGULAR

# 6. WITHOUT. //. CHORIS. is an. ADVERB

# 7. BLOOD //. HAIMA. is a GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the HEUTER

# A And what it means is the OLD COVENANT. was set aside because you needed a Priest and ALTER for

a blood sacrifice for sins

# B. BUT all animal sacrifice does not give life since Christ had not yet. died on. the CROSS

# C. AND SHED HIS BLOOD. on. the CROSS. will give ETERNAL LIFE

# D. The only be be saved is what wrote wrote I. ROM 10:9 and 10. .

# E And salvation is ONLY FOUND in. Pauls 13 letters to the BODY OF CHRIST

# AND the GOSPELS and do NOT TEACH THE BODY. of Christ !!

dan p

You seem to be stuck in complication and self justifications land dan

"-everyone who loves knows God and is born of God" capital word spellings not required, but I like the bold

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

If we keep the 2 commandments given in verse 23, we abide in Jesus. Anyone who abides in Jesus is the elect.

Does loving all our neighbors also mean we can think they are going to burn alive forever?

Asking for a neighbor

 

[fli]

Does loving all our neighbors also mean we can think they are going to burn alive forever?

Asking for a neighbor

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. NKJV

Love one another in verse 23 is not love our neighbor. We do not have to keep any New Testament law to be saved.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NKJV

Above is the second commandment in 1John 3:23. We are to love other Christians as Jesus loved us. As you can read verse 35 states by this all will know that you are my disciples, both the one loving and the one loved are disciples

Leviticus 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. NKJV

Above is the OT law to love your neighbor as you love yourself. If we love Jesus, we will keep this one. If we don't keep it we will not be in the Spirit, and the Father will discipline us. We will not lose salvation.

Doesn't your church teach the bible? Do you read the bible?

 

[Guojing]

You say that only Paul wrote to the body of Christ therefore we are the body and not the Jewish believers,

Paul said that His body is the church.

Jesus told Peter that he would build His church on Peter's statement. Then He gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Giving Peter the keys means that He made Peter the chief steward over His entire church, which is His body.

A implies B His body is the church.
C implies B Peter the chief steward over His entire church

Therefore C implies A. Peter the chief steward over His entire church, which is His body

That is your fallacious argument form above.

 

[Dan Perez]

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. NKJV

Love one another in verse 23 is not love our neighbor. We do not have to keep any New Testament law to be saved.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NKJV

Above is the second commandment in 1John 3:23. We are to love other Christians as Jesus loved us. As you can read verse 35 states by this all will know that you are my disciples, both the one loving and the one loved are disciples

Leviticus 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. NKJV

Above is the OT law to love your neighbor as you love yourself. If we love Jesus, we will keep this one. If we don't keep it we will not be in the Spirit, and the Father will discipline us. We will not lose salvation.

Doesn't your church teach the bible? Do you read the bible?

# 1 BE. //. GINOMAI. is the PRESENT TENSE. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in the IMPERATIVE CASE

# 2 YE FOLLOWERS. //. MIMETES. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE

#3. OF ME //. MOU. is a. PERSONAL. POSSESSETIVE. POSSIVE. in. the SINGULAR

# 4. EVEN AS //. KATHOS. is an. ADVERB

#5 I ALSO //. KAGO. is in. the. NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 6 ( AM. ). OF CHRIST //. CHRISTOS. in GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR.

And we do preach GOD'S GOSPEL by Rom. 1:1 that says that. Paulv was SEPARATED. //. APHORIZO. which means

that c. Paul was bb. LIMITED. to only PREACH GOD'S. GOSPEL. !!

What Gospel does your church PREACH ??

AND what bible do you USE ??

Just what does your PREACHER preach. OSAS or maybe preach WATER BAPTISM or. teach TONGUES

or teach being. BORN AGAIN ????

dan p

 

[fli]

# 1 BE. //. GINOMAI. is the PRESENT TENSE. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in the IMPERATIVE CASE

# 2 YE FOLLOWERS. //. MIMETES. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE

#3. OF ME //. MOU. is a. PERSONAL. POSSESSETIVE. POSSIVE. in. the SINGULAR

# 4. EVEN AS //. KATHOS. is an. ADVERB

#5 I ALSO //. KAGO. is in. the. NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 6 ( AM. ). OF CHRIST //. CHRISTOS. in GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR.

And we do preach GOD'S GOSPEL by Rom. 1:1 that says that. Paulv was SEPARATED. //. APHORIZO. which means

that c. Paul was bb. LIMITED. to only PREACH GOD'S. GOSPEL. !!

What Gospel does your church PREACH ??

AND what bible do you USE ??

Just what does your PREACHER preach. OSAS or maybe preach WATER BAPTISM or. teach TONGUES

or teach being. BORN AGAIN ????

dan p

In your post #45 the part of my post that you were replying to was where I said if we keep the 2 commandments in verse 23, we abide in Jesus.

I had cited 1John 3: 22-23 which I will quote again for clarity.

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. NKJV

And you asked: "Does loving all our neighbors also mean we can think they are going to burn alive forever? Asking for a neighbor"

Meaning you thought where John wrote "And to love one another" was the OT commandment to love our neighbor. That is not what Jesus meant when He gave us the new commandment. The new commandment He gave was given in the gospel of John 13:34. We are commanded to love other disciples of Christ as Jesus loved us. You did not know the new commandment that Jesus gave us.

The first commandment we must keep Jesus is:

John 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. NKJV

If we do not keep those 2 commandments, we will lose our salvation. We do not have to keep any of the old testament's laws or commandments to be saved. We are obliged to keep those laws to walk in the Spirit to keep living physically, not to keep our salvation

A implies B His body is the church.
C implies B Peter the chief steward over His entire church

Therefore C implies A. Peter the chief steward over His entire church, which is His body

That is your fallacious argument form above.

You got me. I wrote it wrong.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Love one another in verse 23 is not love our neighbor

That's pretty funny.
How many scriptural citings would you like for loving our neighbors as ourselves? I can count at least 10 citings in the N.T. alone, all stemming from the O.T. where there are several more

Even funnier it never made the cut of requirements of any creed

Above is the OT law to love your neighbor as you love yourself. If we love Jesus, we will keep this one. If we don't keep it we will not be in the Spirit, and the Father will discipline us. We will not lose salvation.

Doesn't your church teach the bible? Do you read the bible?

I asked if you believe our "unsaved neighbors" are going to burn alive forever or be permanently annhilated.

I don't believe either happens to our neighbors, so you have my answer. Where's yours?

 

[Dan Perez]

You seem to be stuck in complication and self justifications land dan

"-everyone who loves knows God and is born of God" capital word spellings not required, but I like the bold

And I am. SPREADIND. the English word and. then. spending the Greek word so. it will be easier to understand and anyone

will learn the TENSES , MOODS. and all will see that I have not ADDED nor. SUBSTRACED. any words !!

And in. 1. COR 11:1 IT READS :

# 1. BE //. GINOMAI. in. the PRESENT. TENSE is in. the MIDDLE or PASSIVE VOICE



# 2. YE FOLLOWERS //. MIMETES. is. a NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the PLURAL

# 3 OF ME //. MOV is. a PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE. PRONOUN. is a GENITIVE CASE. in. the SIGNULAR

# 4. EVEN AS. //. KATHOS is an ADVERD

#.5. I ALSO //. KAGO. in. the NOMINATIVE TENSE. is a SIGNULAR

# 6 ( AM ). OF CHRIST. // CHRISTOS. in. a GENITIVE CASE is a SINGULAR. !!


# A And many quote John 3 :3 and if you are BORN AGAIN he cannot SEE THE KINGDOM. OF GOD. !!

#B. IT says that you can see the Kingdom of God. , really. than give us a word picture what it LOOKS LIKE. ??

# C. Then. in verse John 3:5. not says EXCEPT. a Man. be. BORN OF WATER. and of the SPIRIT. HE cannot

ENTER INTO. THE KINGDOM OF GOD !!


# D. You explain. first and I will explain it to you since you believe. that post for SELF JUSTIFICATION

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

That's pretty funny.
How many scriptural citings would you like for loving our neighbors as ourselves? I can count at least 10 citings in the N.T. alone, all stemming from the O.T. where there are several more

Even funnier it never made the cut of requirements of any creed

I asked if you believe our "unsaved neighbors" are going to burn alive forever or be permanently annhilated.

I don't believe either happens to our neighbors, so you have my answer. Where's yours?

And PLEASE read Hebrew 9:18 means what you are quoting. does not apply for today as the OLD COVENANT has

passed AWAY and PLEASE read that VERSE and see why !!

# 1. Becase. The first COVENANT you needed a PRIEST.

# 2 You would need an ALTAR

# 3. You would NEED a LAMB

# 4 This is just and. ANIMALS BLOOD

# 5. For what is called an ATONEMENT.

# 6. We can ONLY BE SAVED AFTER Christ death on. the Cross

# 7 And in Acts 2:36-38 , salvation was FIRST OFFERED TO ISRAEL. and than Israel was SET. ASIDE. in ACTS 28:25-28

IS Just one verse that show Israel is in. the trouble that they are IN. !!

# 8. This why WATER BAPTISM , just gets you all WET. !

#.9. This is why BORN AGAIN is for Israel during. the GREAT TRIBULATIO

# 10 This is why being BORN of WATER and the SPIRIT WHICH BELONG TO ISRAEL. , read EZE 36 and EZE 37

about 2 SRTICKS. !!

dan p



dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

You seem to be stuck in complication and self justifications land dan

"-everyone who loves knows God and is born of God" capital word spellings not required, but I like the bold

And in. 1 John 5;18. SAYS that. whosoever is BORN. OF GOD. SINNETH NOT // OV. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

AND. that means you can NOT EVER SIN. , and you say you never EVER SIN. ??

# A Is this for TODAY. ??

# B Is it for the FOR THE BODY of CHRIST. ??

# C Is it for ISAREL. , yes it is for Israel , in. the GREAT TRIBULATION. !!

dan p

 

[Dan1988]

And this is what ACTS 15:1 SAYS !!

# 1 AND //. KAI ,is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 CERTAIN MEN //. TIS , INDEFINITE. PRONOUN , in a NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 3 WHICH CAME DOWN //. KATERCHOMIAI. , in. the. AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , a PARTICIPLE. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE.

in. the PLURAL

# 4 FROM // APO. , is a PREPOSITION

# 5. JUDAEA //. IOUDAIA , in the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 6 TAUGHT //. DIDASKO. , is in the IMPERFECT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

# 7 THE //. HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 8 BRETHREN // ADELPHOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 9 AND SAID //. was added , EXCEPT // ME , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 10. YE BE CIRCUMCISED // PENTEMNO. , in. the PESENT TENSE , in the PASSIVE VOICE. in. the SUBJUNCTIVE. , in. the PLURAL

# 11 AFTER THE // THE , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , is in DATIVE. CASE. , in. the SINGULAR , is a NEUTER

# 12. MANNER. // ETHOS. in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR and. in. the NEUTER

# 13. OF MOSES // MOYSOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 14. NOT //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 15. YE CANNOT //. DYNAMA , in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the MIDDLE or PRESENT VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

#. 16. BE SAVED // SOZO in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE.

And this verse PLAINLY says men , to be saved , you have to be CIRCUMCISED

# 17. And just what are woman going to. DO. ??

# 18 Are we saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 , if you confess with your mouth the LORD JESUS. and should believe your heart. that GOD.

raised Him from the dead you WILL BE SAVED

# 19 Are you saved by Water Baptism

# 20. Saved by BEING BORN AGAIN ?

# 21 Saved by WATER and the SPIRIT ??

What say you. ??

dan p

Thanks for raising this important question. Many Christian Denominations teach that you can't be sure that you are saved, until judgement day.

But Gods Word reveals that believers can be sure of their salvation, in advance. If we believe what Gods Word reveals about the matter, then we can be 100% sure of our salvation.

You made reference to >>>>
Romans 10:9-10 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

As we can see in the verses above, salvation is not a complicated set of requirements to fulfill in order to earn salvation, (as most Christian Denominations falsely teach).

God is not the Author of confusion, so salvation is extremely simple and anyone who simply confesses the Lord Jesus with their mouth and believes in their heart that God has raised Him from the dead, will be saved.

I love the simplicity and the verses and the promise of salvation. Notice there are no good works or keeping the law, required for salvation.
I believe the above, so I'm 100% sure that I am saved, the only way I could lose my salvation is if God lied and we know that's impossible.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And in. 1 John 5;18. SAYS that. whosoever is BORN. OF GOD. SINNETH NOT // OV. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

AND. that means you can NOT EVER SIN. , and you say you never EVER SIN. ??

I'll make the observation yet once again with you dan.

Were people the only agents in the equation there would be a problem for all of us because quite factually we ALL sin. Jesus said quite clearly that "evil thoughts" defile us. It's not optional and wasn't presented as optional.

Jesus also said that sin is of the devil. So did the Apostles.

So, IF you see or perceive this, WHO is the sinner in the equations? Are you going to continue to blame and accuse people, or are you going to see the other unseen party? Devils accuse people of sin and hide themselves from the equations. And they do so "in people."

# A Is this for TODAY. ??

# B Is it for the FOR THE BODY of CHRIST. ??

# C Is it for ISAREL. , yes it is for Israel , in. the GREAT TRIBULATION. !!

dan p

The "great tribulation" is when the tables get turned on the devil and his messengers.

It will actually be a quite glorious time for people.

 

[fli]

That's pretty funny.
How many scriptural citings would you like for loving our neighbors as ourselves? I can count at least 10 citings in the N.T. alone, all stemming from the O.T. where there are several more

Even funnier it never made the cut of requirements of any creed

Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. NKJV

Above is our OT removal of sins. If we depend on the OT rules for salvation the blood of bulls and goats, is our purification, The only reason God accepted their blood is because those offering them believed God would send someone to save them from their sins. They looked forward to the coming of the Messiah.

Hebrews 5:7 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, 10 called by God as High Priest "according to the order of Melchizedek," 11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. NKJV

Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to those who obey Him. The author, creator or writer, of eternal salvation.

Hebrews 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. NKJV

Jesus wrote His testament, the New Testament, with His blood when He was crucified. Be sure to note that it is a New Testament, the New Testament, that God promised in the OT. It went into effect when Jesus died.

Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. NKJV

The OT is obsolete. The true Israelis are now under the NT as well as anyone who believes in Jesus. An obsolete covenant will not provide salvation. In the NT we do not look forward from the OT.


Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. NKJV

Obsolete covenant laws cannot make anyone righteous who believe in Jesus. Anyone who claims righteousness from the law, does not believe in Jesus. By the NT rules they will not be saved by trusting the OT laws.

John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. NKJV


Jesus being the author of the New Testament wrote the commandments we are to obey. The first and greatest commandment is that we believe in Him and we must abide, remain in Him, to be fruitful. If we do not stay in Him, we will not be fruitful and will be cast out, by the Father, and burnt.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NKJV


Jesus also gave us another new commandment. We are to love other disciples as Jesus loved us.

Now as children of God we are expected, to the best we can, to be like Jesus. If we do that we will continue to live physically. The Father wants us to further Jesus' kingdom, to do that we should resemble Jesus.

I asked if you believe our "unsaved neighbors" are going to burn alive forever or be permanently annhilated.

I don't believe either happens to our neighbors, so you have my answer. Where's yours?

Revelation 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. NKJV

From the white throne some will go to live on the new earth and some go the lake of fire. Do they burn for an eternity? As Jesus stated in Matthew 25: 41 the lake of fire was made for the spiritual being who rebelled. What happens to flesh and blood in the lake of fire I do not know. I do know that flesh and blood cannot live there.

Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the Lord, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the Lord. 24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." NKJV

Verse 22 states this is the new earth and new heavens after the white throne judgment. Verse 24 does say corpses, or dead bodies, of the men who have transgressed against God. So, Hades will torment them, and the lake of fire may kill them and leave their bodies intact.

I say some may burn eternally and some will be dead.

So, I say all one needs do to avoid going to Hades and the white throne judgment is to “keep believing in Jesus and to love Jesus' disciples as Jesus loved them.”

Thanks for raising this important question. Many Christian Denominations teach that you can't be sure that you are saved, until judgement day.

But Gods Word reveals that believers can be sure of their salvation, in advance. If we believe what Gods Word reveals about the matter, then we can be 100% sure of our salvation.

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors — not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." NKJV

We can be sure we are saved when we are sons of God. Those who put to death are sons of God. To do that we must accept discipline.

Hebrews 12:7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. NKJV

If we do not put to death the sins of the flesh, we have not accepted discipline.

Romans 10:9-10 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

As we can see in the verses above, salvation is not a complicated set of requirements to fulfill in order to earn salvation, (as most Christian Denominations falsely teach).

God does not lie. The Israelis were His children prior to Jesus' coming. If you drop down a couple of verses to;

Romans 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. NKJV


They were cut off because of their unbelief. If we do not continue to believe in Him. We also will be cut off.

God is not the Author of confusion, so salvation is extremely simple and anyone who simply confesses the Lord Jesus with their mouth and believes in their heart that God has raised Him from the dead, will be saved.

I love the simplicity and the verses and the promise of salvation. Notice there are no good works or keeping the law, required for salvation.
I believe the above, so I'm 100% sure that I am saved, the only way I could lose my salvation is if God lied and we know that's impossible.

Yes, we can be 100% sure of our salvation if we are putting to death sins of the flesh.

John 10:4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." NKJV

We are His sheep. His sheep are the only ones who follow His voice to be disciplined. If we are without discipline, we are illegitimate and not sons. Illegitimate children have no inheritance in His kingdom.