The Mandami effect

[FenderTL5]

I can’t help thinking a few less fatsos eating all the pie means more pie for everyone else.

Those few fatsos liked the rising rents, it's how they keep out the riff raff.

 

[Larniavc]

Those few fatsos liked the rising rents, it's how they keep out the riff raff.

When my family and I moved out of our rented property in the before times we saw it back on the market with a £650 increase in rent.

 

[iluvatar5150]

This is how the governement forces you to do things. Yes its force. Whats the difference between telling a landlord they have to fix up and rent their apartment or get taxed on it, or telling them they have to do it or face a criminal fine? Not much.

Stating they have a choice is misleading. Because you are forcing someone to do something or else. What would happen if rhe governement told people they had to fly an Ametican flag on their house or be taxed at a higher rate. Hey its a choice right?

Let's admit that anytime the governement tells you you have to do something or else then thats really force.

Besides, the landlords already pay their property taxes on apartment. You are double taxing someone for the same property.

If you are going to do that just be honest and pass a law that says landlords are not allowed to have empty apartments. Be honest with it.

How do you feel about the deductions for mortgage interest and having kids?

 

[rambot]

This is how the governement forces you to do things. Yes its force. Whats the difference between telling a landlord they have to fix up and rent their apartment or get taxed on it, or telling them they have to do it or face a criminal fine? Not much.

Stating they have a choice is misleading. Because you are forcing someone to do something or else. What would happen if rhe governement told people they had to fly an Ametican flag on their house or be taxed at a higher rate. Hey its a choice right?

Let's admit that anytime the governement tells you you have to do something or else then thats really force.

Besides, the landlords already pay their property taxes on apartment. You are double taxing someone for the same property.

If you are going to do that just be honest and pass a law that says landlords are not allowed to have empty apartments. Be honest with it.

Enough with the histrionics.

ICE forces people. That is what force looks like.

Force does not involve choice.
Force does not involve personal agency of any kind.

A millionaire Will have to pay chicken scratch more per month or will have to fix or sell their home or, God forbid, rent it out?

That's not force.

I won't be continuing this discussion though because it's an irrational hatred of taxes that births that arguement; not reason.

 

[probinson]

They're estate agents. Of course I believe everything they say. That they're trying to raise interest in their area by saying that rich New Yorkers can't wait to move there is just fake news ('See, Hon? I told you we should check out that suburb and buy before the prices go up!').

Maybe we'll get some quotes in due course from NIADA, the journal for second hand car dealers.

Used Car Dealer Magazine

niada.com

Political discussions are always interesting for me. I'm always curious to see how, when presented with evidence, it will be spun away. Trump supporters are really good at it. But as you've just demonstrated, they certainly aren't the only ones.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

It should have that authority.

Well , he doesn’t have the legal authority to impose additional taxes on vacant apartment.

In a free democracy, I have the right to keep my apartment vacant, and no one can force me to rent it out.

Best wishes to the newly elected mayor. During campaigns, many promises are often made, such as pledges to reduce grocery prices immediately. However, once in office, officials often realize that fulfilling campaign promises can be quite different from governing.

 

[Desk trauma]

Well , he doesn’t have the legal authority to impose additional taxes on vacant apartment.

Vacancy taxes exist in other US cities, what precludes NYC from imposing one?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

It's being called the Mandami effect.

The only Mandami effect at present is that some conservatives are going crazy and predicting negative outcomes. In time, it will become clear how the new mayor governs the city. However, the pessimistic predictions appear to stem primarily from dissatisfaction with the man rather than concrete evidence.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Here's another point of view that concludes the Mamdani effect will be minimal, because Mamdani will be unable to institute many of his policies.

A historical view of political wish lists versus real estate reality reaches the same conclusions. JLL’s 25-year analysis of multifamily housing performance, for instance, found that mayors with vast and wide housing ambitions rarely got those dreams off the ground.​

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“Looking at the historical record of policy implementation across different mayoral administrations reveals a consistent pattern: the gap between campaign promises and actual policy implementation is substantial, particularly for policies requiring multi-level government approval,” the paper reads. “Market fundamentals and broader economic conditions — not mayoral policies — are the primary drivers of performance.”​

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JLL to Real Estate’s Chicken Littles: The Sky Would Be Fine Under Mamdani

A white paper from JLL concludes that if Zohran Mamdani is elected mayor of New York City, his effect on multifamily will be negligible

commercialobserver.com

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That's precisely my point. Many of his policies exceed his authority; while he might adjust some local taxes or make minor changes, implementing his many campaign promises would require a major change to American democracy.

Predictions about NYC being destroyed are just emotional reactions, not based on facts.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

While others who used to live under a communist regime say that America is headed in that direction.

I would say a sitting Supreme Court judge finds it acceptable for law enforcement to stop individuals without a warrant based on their appearance and accent in order to verify legal documentation is far closer to communist country than a city mayor proposing a government-funded grocery store.

So, you are right, American is headed that direction, but not because NYC elected a self proclaim socialist.

 

[probinson]

That's precisely my point. Many of his policies exceed his authority; while he might adjust some local taxes or make minor changes, implementing his many campaign promises would require a major change to American democracy.

IOW, Mamdani made a bunch of promises he'll be unable to keep.

 

[Servus]

I would say a sitting Supreme Court judge finds it acceptable for law enforcement to stop individuals without a warrant based on their appearance and accent in order to verify legal documentation is far closer to communist country than a city mayor proposing a government-funded grocery store.

So, you are right, American is headed that direction, but not because NYC elected a self proclaim socialist.

People who believe America is becoming a communist nation often point to the expansion of government's role in social and economic affairs, associating policies typically found in social democracies or having socialist elements with the historical definition of communism.
Key reasons for this perception include:

• Association of social welfare programs with communism/socialism: Proposals for or implementation of policies like universal healthcare, tuition-free college, increased taxes on corporations and the wealthy, and robust social safety nets are often labeled as "socialist" or "communist" by critics. These are seen by some as a move toward wealth redistribution and increased government control, which they associate with communist aims for a classless society with income equality.
• Historical anti-communist sentiment: The legacy of the Cold War and the McCarthy era created a deep-seated cultural fear and a strong political opposition to anything labeled "communist". The term became a powerful pejorative label for a wide range of inconvenient movements or ideas, meaning that the label is applied broadly to policies that do not align with traditional American capitalist principles.
• Misunderstanding of terms: There is often a misunderstanding and conflation of terms like social democracy, socialism, and communism. While social democracy aims to balance market principles with social welfare programs, true communism involves state ownership of the means of production, a rejection of private property, and a one-party rule system.
• Concerns about government overreach and individual freedoms: Some people worry that a larger government role threatens individual freedoms, private property rights, and self-sufficiency, core tenets of the traditional American system.
• Political rhetoric: Political figures sometimes use the label of "communist" to criticize opponents and their policies, often as a tactic to generate fear and galvanize their base.
• Perception of shared "collectivist" values: Certain progressive ideals promoting collective well-being or social justice are sometimes viewed by opponents as a shift away from American individualism towards collectivism, which they view as antithetical to the American way of life.

People who think America is becoming a socialist country often point to expanded government spending on social programs, the influence of self-described "democratic socialists" in politics, and a growing desire for more social safety nets among certain segments of the population. The argument stems from differing definitions of "socialism" and the degree to which government should intervene in the economy.
Key reasons and arguments include:

• Expansion of Social Welfare Programs: The U.S. has a long history of social welfare programs, such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and public education. Some people view the expansion of these existing programs, or proposals for new ones like universal healthcare ("Medicare for All") and free college tuition, as a move toward socialism, arguing that they represent excessive government control and dependency.
• Rise of "Democratic Socialists": The visibility and popularity of political figures like Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who identify as democratic socialists and advocate for significant government intervention to address income inequality and other social issues, have fueled this perception.
• Reaction to Economic Disparities: Growing concern over wealth disparities and the perceived failure of unfettered capitalism to provide a fair shot for everyone, especially among younger generations (millennials and Gen Z), has increased support for policies that widen social safety nets. This growing public appetite for social-oriented policies can be interpreted by critics as a national shift toward socialism.
• • Definition of Socialism: Part of the debate is rooted in the different understandings of the term "socialism" in the U.S. While some associate it with authoritarian communist regimes like the former Soviet Union or Cuba, others view it more in line with the social democracies of Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, etc.), which blend a market economy with a robust welfare state and public services.
  • Increased Government Regulation and Spending: Large-scale government spending and market interventions, such as those that occurred during the COVID-19 pandemic or previous financial crises, are sometimes characterized by critics as examples of "state capitalism" or socialist creep, moving the country away from a free market system.

Ultimately, the belief that the U.S. is becoming socialist often relates to concerns about maintaining the country's traditionally capitalist, individualistic foundation against an increasing desire for greater social and economic equality guaranteed by government programs. - Google

 

[Danthemailman]

What about doing your own research if you're interested about the veracity of this image?

Instagram 50 Cent on Instagram: "R.I.P NYC @50centaction"

Just for fun I even asked AI if it was true.

 

[Danthemailman]

Mamdani's top incoming aide was 'chief architect' of radical proposal overhauling NYPD

Mamdani's top incoming aide was 'chief architect' of radical proposal overhauling NYPD

Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani appoints Elle Bisgaard-Church as chief adviser, the DSA-affiliated strategist who developed his controversial social worker 911 response proposal.

www.foxnews.com

This guy is wasting no time! I'm with 50cent.

 

[iluvatar5150]

People who believe America is becoming a communist nation often point to the expansion of government's role in social and economic affairs, associating policies typically found in social democracies or having socialist elements with the historical definition of communism.
Key reasons for this perception include:

• Association of social welfare programs with communism/socialism: Proposals for or implementation of policies like universal healthcare, tuition-free college, increased taxes on corporations and the wealthy, and robust social safety nets are often labeled as "socialist" or "communist" by critics. These are seen by some as a move toward wealth redistribution and increased government control, which they associate with communist aims for a classless society with income equality.
• Historical anti-communist sentiment: The legacy of the Cold War and the McCarthy era created a deep-seated cultural fear and a strong political opposition to anything labeled "communist". The term became a powerful pejorative label for a wide range of inconvenient movements or ideas, meaning that the label is applied broadly to policies that do not align with traditional American capitalist principles.
• Misunderstanding of terms: There is often a misunderstanding and conflation of terms like social democracy, socialism, and communism. While social democracy aims to balance market principles with social welfare programs, true communism involves state ownership of the means of production, a rejection of private property, and a one-party rule system.
• Concerns about government overreach and individual freedoms: Some people worry that a larger government role threatens individual freedoms, private property rights, and self-sufficiency, core tenets of the traditional American system.
• Political rhetoric: Political figures sometimes use the label of "communist" to criticize opponents and their policies, often as a tactic to generate fear and galvanize their base.
• Perception of shared "collectivist" values: Certain progressive ideals promoting collective well-being or social justice are sometimes viewed by opponents as a shift away from American individualism towards collectivism, which they view as antithetical to the American way of life.

People who think America is becoming a socialist country often point to expanded government spending on social programs, the influence of self-described "democratic socialists" in politics, and a growing desire for more social safety nets among certain segments of the population. The argument stems from differing definitions of "socialism" and the degree to which government should intervene in the economy.
Key reasons and arguments include:

• Expansion of Social Welfare Programs: The U.S. has a long history of social welfare programs, such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and public education. Some people view the expansion of these existing programs, or proposals for new ones like universal healthcare ("Medicare for All") and free college tuition, as a move toward socialism, arguing that they represent excessive government control and dependency.
• Rise of "Democratic Socialists": The visibility and popularity of political figures like Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who identify as democratic socialists and advocate for significant government intervention to address income inequality and other social issues, have fueled this perception.
• Reaction to Economic Disparities: Growing concern over wealth disparities and the perceived failure of unfettered capitalism to provide a fair shot for everyone, especially among younger generations (millennials and Gen Z), has increased support for policies that widen social safety nets. This growing public appetite for social-oriented policies can be interpreted by critics as a national shift toward socialism.
• • Definition of Socialism: Part of the debate is rooted in the different understandings of the term "socialism" in the U.S. While some associate it with authoritarian communist regimes like the former Soviet Union or Cuba, others view it more in line with the social democracies of Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, etc.), which blend a market economy with a robust welfare state and public services.
  • Increased Government Regulation and Spending: Large-scale government spending and market interventions, such as those that occurred during the COVID-19 pandemic or previous financial crises, are sometimes characterized by critics as examples of "state capitalism" or socialist creep, moving the country away from a free market system.

Ultimately, the belief that the U.S. is becoming socialist often relates to concerns about maintaining the country's traditionally capitalist, individualistic foundation against an increasing desire for greater social and economic equality guaranteed by government programs. - Google

Do you guys ever write posts on your own?

 

[Desk trauma]

Do you guys ever write posts on your own?

All hail the slop.

 

[Nithavela]

Instagram 50 Cent on Instagram: "R.I.P NYC @50centaction"

Just for fun I even asked AI if it was true.

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Still lasted longer than 50's career.

 

[Servus]

Do you guys ever write posts on your own?

What's ironic is when someone posts in their own words, they're then challenged to prove what they said by posting a source that's not written in their own words.

 

[Nithavela]

Do you guys ever write posts on your own?

I have been pondering putting people on ignore that routinely post AI stuff except when AI is the topic, but that would make things pretty lonely here these days.

 

[Larniavc]

In a free democracy, I have the right to keep my apartment vacant, and no one can force me to rent it out.

Yeah I know. But why would you want to do such a thing? It seems needlessly mean spirited.

All too often I see posts on this site demanding the right to simply be mean spirited as if that is something to celebrate.