the "blue wave" last night and the government shutdown

[dogs4thewin]

Not a standard you seem to follow.

not sure what that means? If I were to barrow money or anything else for that matter use a service whatever the case may be and I could not pay I would asks to work something out OR if it was a want whether than a need but we are talking about the need of healthcare not get it at all

 

[Yttrium]

I know that they are not pay what you can it is just spread out. My point was that you do not have to come in and pay just say 200 or whatever it is all at one time. I understand that (unless you work out otherwise) you still have to pay the same amount.

I'm a bit staggered by the futility of the point.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I'm a bit staggered by the futility of the point.

by the way on a completely unrelated note I love your user title.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

They believe health care is a human right and no one should starve in the world's richest country. And that's worth fighting for.

I completely agree with your statement, and I believe most Americans, regardless of political views, would as well.

To date, no Democrat has shown how universal healthcare would be funded; their repeated answer is "tax the rich." Even a 90% tax on the wealthy wouldn't cover half the cost. So it's unclear what Democrats hope to achieve.

Striving for a cause that cannot be achieved is an oxymoronic idea. It looks good on paper and feel good at heart but in reality it is meaningless.

 

[camille70]

Talking about the cars what do they expect when they do NOT pay the note?

Also as to the credits expiring at the rates not going up to roughly what they were PRE-co-vid? Thus what they would have been if co-vid had never happen.

As to SNAP it is not meant to provide your food budget any way whether it be the holidays or darn June, so people who treat it as such even by force ( that is they have no choice can expect to have a rougher time because they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used.

The point about the repossession is that the economy is bad. It's more difficult to look for work or go to work without your own transportation. A lot of people, including former federal workers, have lost jobs and are not able to find work or find it at the same pay. The majority of federal workers were not fired due to their own performance, but because Trump let Elon decimate the government. Most people live paycheck to paycheck, the shutdown isn't helping.

Car repossessions hit 15-year high in America — experts warn this could signal a looming recession

Car repossessions US recession warning: Car repossessions in the US have surged to a 15-year high, raising alarms about a possible recession as millions struggle with rising costs and stagnant wages.

m.economictimes.com

Americans are drowning in auto loan delinquencies; report says Congress needs to fix it

A new report by the Consumer Federation of America to Congress calls on lawmakers and regulators to protect car buyers, saying a crisis is at hand.

www.usatoday.com

https://axleaddict.com/news/vehicle-repossessions-hit-record-highs-since-2009-is-another-crisis-looming

 

[Desk trauma]

not sure what that means?

You said if you pay nothing you should say nothing. Yet you have a lot to say about healthcare.

 

[comana]

so does that mean that doctors do not allow people to pay what they can. In my admittedly limited experenice doctors/hospitals here have offered payment plans. Now, if you do not pay like you say you will and you do not asks to change your plan yes it will go on your credit report and that provider may be less inclined to work with you on plans later.

The problem is so many patients have paid minimum or nothing at all after receiving services in the past. Doctors are now going to want all or a substantial portion of paid up front or cancel appointments and elective procedures. Keep in mind that any procedure that is not emergent is considered elective, even if it is for a serious condition.

Doctors have bills to pay too if they want to stay in business and non paying customers don’t pay the bills.

 

[Nithavela]

3 democratic wins in states that are traditionally blue is not THAT impressive.

The fact that Coumogot beaten by a social democrat is far more interesting.

 

[Gene2memE]

To date, no Democrat has shown how universal healthcare would be funded;

https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/676

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1129

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all.pdf

https://medium.com/@teamwarren/ending-the-stranglehold-of-health-care-costs-on-american-families-bf8286b13086

https://kamalaharris.medium.com/my-plan-for-medicare-for-all-7730370dd421

Choices for Financing Medicare for All | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

Proposals to adopt a single-payer health care system – commonly called Medicare for All – have become increasingly popular.

www.crfb.org

https://www.rand.org/pubs/rgs_dissertations/RGSD375.html

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3106.html

Medicare for All: The Harris Plan - AAF

This report analyzes Medicare for All’s impact on health coverage, provider access, productivity, and budget.

www.americanactionforum.org

And, some general reading:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/abs/10.1377/hlthaff.22.3.89?journalCode=hlthaff

How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

This chart collection examines how U.S. health spending compares to health spending in other similarly large, wealthy OECD countries using the OECD Health Statistics database.

www.healthsystemtracker.org

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2022: Accelerating Spending, Worsening Outcomes

This cross-national comparison of health care systems assesses U.S. health spending, outcomes, status, and service use relative to 12 other high-income countries.

www.commonwealthfund.org

https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2022/09/understanding-differences-in-health-expenditure-between-the-united-states-and-oecd-countries_cafc404c/6f24c128-en.pdf

 

[chevyontheriver]

that was not what I said. If they voted for democrats BECAUSE they felt republicans are to blame for the shutdown and yet the shutdown is still here say in two weeks or a month ( meaning that losing did not get the republicans to talk and re-open the government how would the base feel that even AFTER the election the shutdown persist ( again particularly if the year begins with the healthcare credits expiring which would mean that the democrats basically "lost" on that front as there would still be no healthcare deal and so all that holding out for the republicans to work out a deal to keep Americans from "losing" healthcare would come to nothing because time would be up.

The government can open up again with a clean continuing resolution. They could do it this afternoon. I do think last night’s victories for Democrats will in the short run embolden them. But if the shutdown goes on for another month or two it’s anyone’s bet whether those who voted Democrat will be happy. A handful of Democrat votes are needed for a clean continuing resolution. Maybe in a month or two. For now I think things stay broken.

The Mamdami victory is NOT a Democratic Party victory as Mamdami beat a fellow Democrats. It is a victory for a certain kind of Democrat vs another kind of Democrat. THAT is the significance. It’s civil war within that party. And only when the victor has vanquished the victim will things become clearer about how long the shutdown goes. Tomorrow starts the ‘Occupy Washington’ event, which might be ‘mostly peaceful’, or not. Will the occupiers go for broke to take the government down? Will they intimidate moderate Democrats?

 

[iluvatar5150]

To date, no Democrat has shown how universal healthcare would be funded

What's it costing us by not having it?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

You can get healthcare now most doctors will work with you (particularly if you have a history of paying). It is like anything else when they get concerned is when you pay NOTHING and say nothing

My wife underwent gallbladder surgery and experienced complications that required an extended hospital stay. In the same year, I had rotator cuff surgery. With insurance, our out-of-pocket expenses totaled $11,000; without insurance, the cost would have been more than $40,000.

Few people can afford $40,000 for two surgeries. It's misleading to claim that anyone in America can access healthcare or that most doctors are flexible about costs.

While I do not endorse certain Democratic proposals for universal health care or single-payer systems, I am genuinely surprised when conservatives fail to acknowledge that healthcare in America is costly and many Americans struggle to afford it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

That sounds ominous.

 

[Fantine]

I completely agree with your statement, and I believe most Americans, regardless of political views, would as well.

To date, no Democrat has shown how universal healthcare would be funded; their repeated answer is "tax the rich." Even a 90% tax on the wealthy wouldn't cover half the cost. So it's unclear what Democrats hope to achieve.

Striving for a cause that cannot be achieved is an oxymoronic idea. It looks good on paper and feel good at heart but in reality it is meaningless.

Ah, the hedonistic, pleasure-seeking rich....

How do they pay for universal health care in all the other developed countries in Europe and Asia? Yes, every single one?

Are the people there smarter than us since they have it all figured out? Are we such a dumb nation that we can't figure out what all the other nations have--or borrow their ideas?

The hedonistic, pleasure-seeking rich have plenty of money for hedonism and pleasure. Believe it or not, some people derive pleasure from living in a country where no one is starving or dying in the streets. What a novel idea.

 

[Fantine]

If the democrats were smart they will run someone far more moderate and let them be the face of the party. Sure this mayor can ride along, and if he does a decent job, he can have more influence. But to me, part of maga is about maintaining white hegemony. Momdani is about as far from that as possible.

Momdani won on a huge number of young voters. Young voters don't want moderates.

Even conservative young voters found a hero who was very far from moderate. He wanted to release Paul Pelosi's attacker from jail!

If Democrats kept their current voting base and increased the number of young voters--even by a few percentage points--they would win.

Do you really think that any self-respecting Democrat would be so frightened of voting for AOC, Bernie, or Momdani that (s)he would vote for Trump instead? Of course not. The Democrats I know need to go home at night knowing they can fall asleep with their self-respect, and most of them would be so embarrassed they could never show their faces again if they were found to have voted for Trump.

 

[wing2000]

A government shutdown no longer significantly affects U.S. elections; last night's results were driven by the past 10 months of American politics, not the shutdown.

Agreed.

Trump may not have been on the actual ballot yesterday, but in the minds of voters, he most certainly was. But hey, if he wants to believe his policies are improving the lives of Americans, let him stew in his own made-up reality. He'll be in for an awakening next November....(assuming there's an election).

 

[d taylor]

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So what, it is not like democrats have never been elected to government before. America is in bad shape because of both parties and voters who continue to elect these deceivers.

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[PloverWing]

If the democrats were smart they will run someone far more moderate and let them be the face of the party.

If it matters, our newly-elected governor Mikie Sherrill is a moderate Democrat. It's too early for her to be the face of the party, because she needs to be busy being governor for the next 4-8 years, but I assume she's the kind of person you have in mind. I think that the newly-elected governor of Virginia, Abigail Spanberger, may also be a moderate Democrat, but I know her less well.

I'm content to wait another couple of years before I think about the best strategy for the next election. Maybe let Trump be Trump for a bit and see how that goes. I suspect that one of the reasons the Republican candidate in my state lost by 13 percentage points is that he had Trump's endorsement.

 

[essentialsaltes]

In the face of election losses for his party, Trump touts some of his greatest accomplishments.

AI images of himself as a king and as pope and...

 

[Vambram]

Momdani won on a huge number of young voters. Young voters don't want moderates.

Even conservative young voters found a hero who was very far from moderate. He wanted to release Paul Pelosi's attacker from jail!

If Democrats kept their current voting base and increased the number of young voters--even by a few percentage points--they would win.

Do you really think that any self-respecting Democrat would be so frightened of voting for AOC, Bernie, or Momdani that (s)he would vote for Trump instead? Of course not. The Democrats I know need to go home at night knowing they can fall asleep with their self-respect, and most of them would be so embarrassed they could never show their faces again if they were found to have voted for Trump.

The Democrats have voted in as mayor of NYC a man who proudly proclaims himself as a Socialist. If the USA becomes under the control of the Socialist wing of the Democratic Party, then America's best days will be long gone behind us.