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the "blue wave" last night and the government shutdown

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Why would I be OK with that when I just said the opposite? Time has already run out as people go to renew their plans. There is no deal now. Why would there be a deal if government were to reopen?

You know that the time running out is purely in control of Congress - they can extend the open enrollment window if they choose to as they are the lawmakers.
I am confused if it is open enrollment, BUT the credits expire at the end of the year then does that not mean that the credits are still in place at this current time? In other words, it would seem that if someone were to enroll and then between now and the end of the year the credits were to expended would they not get the benefits of the extended credits? On the other hand, if January 1st rolls around with no deal then the credits are gone and at that point would they not have to reinstate the credits if they were going to still have them
 
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I am confused if it is open enrollment, BUT the credits expire at the end of the year then does that not mean that the credits are still in place at this current time? In other words, it would seem that if someone were to enroll and then between now and the end of the year the credits were to expended would they not get the benefits of the extended credits?
No. The credits apply to the new policy which takes effect in the new year.
On the other hand, if January 1st rolls around with no deal then he credits are gone and at that point would they not have to reinstate the credits if they were going to still have them
The credits are gone now. This is what the fuss is about. Yes, they would have to reinstate them or they aren't there.
 
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We don't know yet. Had the wave been red rather than blue, the Democrats would be more inclined to admit defeat, but now it appears that the voters want affordable healthcare and food benefits.
yet the REPUBLICANS are the ones who have voted 10+ times to fund SNAP. Meanwhile the credits that were enhanced due to co-vid that the democrats put in place TO expire at the end of this year and now people are upset that the time has come for the enhanced benefits that they KNEW were meant to be temporary are expiring if they had meant for those to not be temporary the democrats should not have made hem temporary.
 
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If Mike pence has the courage this can all be stopped.
what does Mike Pence have to do with anything at this point? He is no longer VP.
 
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what does Mike Pence have to do with anything at this point? He is no longer VP.
Thought we were making up hypotheticals where the win gets turned into a loss.
 
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I wonder what will happen if the government stays shut down for a couple of weeks after the election as that would likely mean that the idea of the "blue wave" being the Republicans fault and thus voting for democrats in a sense "failed" as people at the state and local levels are not the ones controlling the shut down anyway How would people who voted for the democrats BECAUSE of the shutdown react?

This would particularly be the case if 1-1-26 gets here and the healthcare credits run out in which case the democrats would basically "lose" by default in as far as getting what they wanted while the government was shut down for at LEAST a quarter of the year.


A lot of people dont pay attention to politics outside of election years and many don't think who is in charge will affect their day to day lives.

The shutdown has forced people to pay attention. The GOP had structured the BBB so that the worst of it took affect after the midterms, but divine timing has caused Americans to see the affects immediately so they can discern truth from lies.

The GOP can try to paint this anyway they want, but it's American citizens, not undocumented people who are getting informed their ACA premiums will sky rocket. It's their power bill that has gone up. Their grocery prices. The farmers in their community losing farms and committing suicide as a direct result of Trump and his policies that are supported by a GOP who won't reign him in. Its American citizens or their friends and families that will need helping out because they lost SNAP benefits right in time for the holidays, while the president is partying and bragging about his marble bathroom. Their friends, family, co workers, landscapers and nannies being snatched by ICE. Their cars that are being repossessed. It's American citizens who have lost jobs, and they know it even if this administration wants to hide job reports and reports on food insecurity. People have also been through shutdowns in recent years and know not getting SNAP is a new thing to pressure dems.

Most dems just want to see dem leadership have a backbone and not cave. They want to see some fight. Americans are not going to be mad at the party FIGHTING for THEM, simply because their gamble didn't pay off.

In fact, if dems fail, that's even more incentive to vote for them to oust the GOP because if dems get power again they will try to fix things so people can afford their healthcare again.

Dems always get power back when America needs a janitor to clean up after the GOP. So, no I don't think dems will get blamed or "lose" if the GOP doesn't have sense enough to come to come to the table and the shutdown continues. In fact, recent rumors that Jeffries and Schumer might make a deal without.a guarantee of getting what they were fighting for with the subsidies has angered a lot of dems.
 
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We don't know yet. Had the wave been red rather than blue, the Democrats would be more inclined to admit defeat, but now it appears that the voters want affordable healthcare and food benefits.
Who would have thought otherwise?
 
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I wonder what will happen if the government stays shut down for a couple of weeks after the election as that would likely mean that the idea of the "blue wave" being the Republicans fault and thus voting for democrats in a sense "failed" as people at the state and local levels are not the ones controlling the shut down anyway How would people who voted for the democrats BECAUSE of the shutdown react?

This would particularly be the case if 1-1-26 gets here and the healthcare credits run out in which case the democrats would basically "lose" by default in as far as getting what they wanted while the government was shut down for at LEAST a quarter of the year.
A government shutdown no longer significantly affects U.S. elections; last night's results were driven by the past 10 months of American politics, not the shutdown.

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In Georgia, Peter Hubbard and Alicia Johnson will be the newest members of the state's five-person public utility regulator after earning roughly 60% of the vote. It's the first time Democrats have won a nonfederal statewide office there since 2006 and one where soaring energy costs and displeasure with incumbents dominated the race.

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If inflation decreases and economic conditions improve next year, voters who previously supported President Trump may choose to vote for the GOP in the mid-term elections, potentially extending the Trump administration's agenda for another two years.

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The GOP base and MAGA supporters are expected to back their candidate in the next mid-term election regardless of economic conditions. However, this alone may not secure national or statewide victories. Key groups—independents, 20%-25% of Hispanic voters, and about 20% of youth who moved toward GOP in 2024—may not align with Trump's agenda, and if the GOP loses their support, they risk losing the election.
 
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that was not what I said. If they voted for democrats BECAUSE they felt republicans are to blame for the shutdown and yet the shutdown is still here say in two weeks or a month ( meaning that losing did not get the republicans to talk and re-open the government how would the base feel that even AFTER the election the shutdown persist ( again particularly if the year begins with the healthcare credits expiring which would mean that the democrats basically "lost" on that front as there would still be no healthcare deal and so all that holding out for the republicans to work out a deal to keep Americans from "losing" healthcare would come to nothing because time would be up.
They believe health care is a human right and no one should starve in the world's richest country. And that's worth fighting for.
 
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A lot of people dont pay attention to politics outside of election years and many don't think who is in charge will affect their day to day lives.

The shutdown has forced people to pay attention. The GOP had structured the BBB so that the worst of it took affect after the midterms, but divine timing has caused Americans to see the affects immediately so they can discern truth from lies.

The GOP can try to paint this anyway they want, but it's American citizens, not undocumented people who are getting informed their ACA premiums will sky rocket. It's their power bill that has gone up. Their grocery prices. The farmers in their community losing farms and committing suicide as a direct result of Trump and his policies that are supported by a GOP who won't reign him in. Its American citizens or their friends and families they will need helping out because they lost SNAP benefits right in time for the holidays, while the president is partying and bragging about his marble bathroom. Their friends, family, co workers, landscapers and nannies being snatched by ICE. Their cars that are being repossessed. It's American citizens who have lost jobs, and they know it even if this administration wants to hide job reports and reports on food insecurity.

Most dems just want to see dem leadership have a backbone and not cave. They want to see some fight. Americans are not going to be mad at the party FIGHTING for THEM, simply because their gamble didn't pay off.

In fact, if dems fail, that's even more incentive to vote for them to just the GOP because if dems get power again they will try to fix things so people can afford their healthcare again.

Dems always get power back when America needs a janitor to clean up after the GOP. So, no I don't think dems will get blamed or "lose" if the GOP doesn't have sense enough to come to come to the table and the shutdown continues. In fact, recent rumors that Jeffries and Schumer might make a deal without.a guarantee of getting what they were fighting for with the subsidies has angered a lot of dems.
Talking about the cars what do they expect when they do NOT pay the note?

Also as to the credits expiring at the rates not going up to roughly what they were PRE-co-vid? Thus what they would have been if co-vid had never happen.

As to SNAP it is not meant to provide your food budget any way whether it be the holidays or darn June, so people who treat it as such even by force ( that is they have no choice can expect to have a rougher time because they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used.
 
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They believe health care is a human right and no one should starve in the world's richest country. And that's worth fighting for.
You can get healthcare now most doctors will work with you (particularly if you have a history of paying). It is like anything else when they get concerned is when you pay NOTHING and say nothing

As to SNAP it is not meant to be your food budget the S says as much people who have it as their food budget can expect a rougher time because even if they have no choice they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used,
 
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We don't know yet. Had the wave been red rather than blue, the Democrats would be more inclined to admit defeat, but now it appears that the voters want affordable healthcare and food benefits.
To me, it sounds like the voters in NYC, New Jersey and Virginia want more of the Democratic Party Socialism.
 
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You can get healthcare now most doctors will work with you (particularly if you have a history of paying). It is like anything else when they get concerned is when you pay NOTHING and say nothing
I'm afraid that this is an incredibly vague and unhelpful comment. A great many people are not going to find affordable health care without government assistance.
 
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I'm afraid that this is an incredibly vague and unhelpful comment. A great many people are not going to find affordable health care without government assistance.
so does that mean that doctors do not allow people to pay what they can. In my admittedly limited experenice doctors/hospitals here have offered payment plans. Now, if you do not pay like you say you will and you do not asks to change your plan yes it will go on your credit report and that provider may be less inclined to work with you on plans later.
 
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so does that mean that doctors do not allow people to pay what they can. In my admittedly limited experenice doctors/hospitals here have offered payment plans. Now, if you do not pay like you say you will and you do not asks to change your plan yes it will go on your credit report and that provider may be less inclined to work with you on plans later.
Payment plans do not equal pay what you can. They're still paying at least the same amount, just over a longer amount of time. It will still be crushing to an income.
 
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Payment plans do not equal pay what you can. They're still paying at least the same amount, just over a longer amount of time. It will still be crushing to an income.
I know that they are not pay what you can it is just spread out. My point was that you do not have to come in and pay just say 200 or whatever it is all at one time. I understand that (unless you work out otherwise) you still have to pay the same amount.
 
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Most politicians start at the local level, move up to the state level, and then perhaps to Congress or even the presidency. That's the launching pad

The sweeps certainly showed the extreme dissatisfaction Trump and his policies across the board, even immigration. A number of issues are in the 20's.


Trump created Momdani. So extreme are his policies that they invite voters to go to the other extreme. Let's face it--there are dozens of important, necessary programs that have been scrapped or eviscerated--whole departments like Education. Other departments have been put in the hands of conspiracy theorists--like Robert Kennedy, Jr. People know it will take more than a bunch of compromisers and wimps to get back to even. It takes real leaders who are bold and innovative. And so Trump created Momdani. As Bonnie Tyler sang, "We're holding out for a hero."

A local leader of the country's largest city will inspire other young charismatic leaders to get involved. He's even willing to give them all his blueprints.

He can never run for president because--unlike Obama, whose African bir thatth was invented and exploited by Trump--Momdani was actually born in Uganda.

But he can lead the charge that will rescue our country from the deadliness of oligarchy and authoritarian dictatorship.
If the democrats were smart they will run someone far more moderate and let them be the face of the party. Sure this mayor can ride along, and if he does a decent job, he can have more influence. But to me, part of maga is about maintaining white hegemony. Momdani is about as far from that as possible.
 
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If the democrats were smart they will run someone far more moderate and let them be the face of the party. Sure this mayor can ride along, and if he does a decent job, he can have more influence. But to me, part of maga is about maintaining white hegemony. Momdani is about as far from that as possible.
He isn’t eligible to run for president.
 
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