Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[Abraham1st]

Sad.

Jesus in His own words said He kept all of the commandments John15:10. Jesus was not a sinner, it is what the Jews accused Him of. but its sad that most side with them over the words of our Savior John 8:46-47

The commandment of Jesus is not law, not vanity, but life, here it is...




John 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

 

[Abraham1st]

I do not think you are being honest with the word of God and I can see there is no reasoning, so I am going to move on.

Take care

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

 

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You see everybody, FAITH IS WHAT SAVES US, EVEN FROM THE DEVIL.


1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

 

[Abraham1st]

Obviously fulfilling the law of Christ is not breaking any of the commandments as clearly shown in this verse. The He who said is God and the commandments that is being quoted is the Ten Commandments breaking one we because the transgressor of the law, which is sin 1John3:4 and no one is saved in their sins Heb10:26-30 we are saved from sins Mat1:21 we need a transformation in Christ oRom6:1-4

HERE SABBATHBLESSINGS, and ANONE ELSE, here are the TEN COMMANDMENTS, SET IN STONE, OR NO LONGER...




1. There is one commandment to fulfil, how do we need a law to not bear false witness, when we receive the SPIRIT OF TRUTH ?

2. If by faith we make ourselves a eunuch for the kingdom of heavens sake, how do we need a law to not commit adultery ?

3. If we believe in Jesus Christ laying HIs life down for us, and we believe in laying our lives down, and HIs kingdom not from here, why would we need a commandment to not kill. ( we receive the love of God by belief in Jesus Christ laying HIs life down for us)

4. so we need a law in stone to tell us to not steal, or by faith you give all you have.

5. Do you need a law to tell you to not idol worship, when covetousness is idolatry and you now believe to know this.

6, do we have to be told as Israel was, to not keep the commandments of men, to not do good for their mother or father, or you now have faith more than them.

7. Do you have to be told by stone commandment to keep the sabbath day holy, is not every day holy because of the Lord Jesus Christ making HIs rest eternal. ( which we labour for.)




John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

2 Corinthians 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.



Hebrews 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

 

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Hebrews 4

Hebrews 4: 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, [a]not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

The writer is sending us back to the wilderness when God's people were tested just as we are today.

Those who did not enter His rest in Canaan did not enter due to disobedience-- what did they disobey?

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Hebrews 4 is a continuation of Hebrews 3 which is a direct quote of Psalms 95

Psa 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts, (think Mat 15:3-14)
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Is God doing away with His Sabbath commandment before the Israelites entered into Canaan rest? No! Moses after 40 years of being in the wilderness and before Joshua led the Israelites into their land flowing with milk and honey repeated the 10 commandments and told them to diligently keep

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone. 14 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might observe them in the land which you cross over to possess.

Heb 4:9 NIV Which is why the Sabbath-rest remains for God's people. The Sabbath rest is always connected to the seventh day thus saith the Lord Exo 20:10. Its why almost all ancient languages Sabbath translates into Saturday


And why we are not to follow the same path of disobedience to enter into our rest

Hebrews 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Hebrews 4:4 For He (God) has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way:

The only place God spoke Exo20:1 of the seventh day in this way, is the 4th commandments

“And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Thos who enter into God's rest ALSO, which means in addition to, rests from their works as God did, on the seventh day Heb4:10 Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11 Gen2:1-3



In Christ rest there is no unrest, just peace and harmony. Which is why God calls on us TODAY if we have not harden our heart to His Truth Psa 119:151 to come out of our rebellion and disobedience to Him. Heb 3:7-8

In God rest God's people keep His commandments and it mourns Him when we choose another path, because whoever we obey is who we serve. Rom 6:16 God says Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:8-10 The seventh day Sabbath is always connected to Creation Exo 20:11 because God never wants us to forget who created us and where we came from- its the other spirit that wants us to forget and changed God's times and laws based on their authority. Dan 7:25 that sadly has deceived the world that most people follow. God asks us to get back to worship this God Rev14:7 Exo20:11 the God who has the power to create heaven and earth.


Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

God wrote these Words right in the Ten Commandments which includes the Sabbath commandment all placed inside the ark, written by the finger of God. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

There is no greater Authority that we serve. No one has the power to sanctify us but God Eze 20:12 but many sadly choose their own sanctification. Isa66:17

 

[Abraham1st]

So all Israel fell by unbelief, they fell by keeping sabbath, as it was and is UNBELIEF

 

[Abraham1st]

I showed you sabbathblessings, it is impossible for the stone commandments to exist alongside the scripture of faith, and also it is impossible to push sabbath keeping, those in the law kept sabbath and fall by unbelief..


Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

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So all Israel fell by unbelief, they fell by keeping sabbath, as it was and is UNBELIEF

Thats not what the Scripture says, it was the opposite


Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

God said Remember to KEEP the Sabbath day holy Exo20:8-11 so you are saying unbelief is doing the opposite of what God said. That sounds awfully similar to what happened in the garden.

 

[Abraham1st]

you also are still unstable, seeing as you don't seem to know if you are coming or going.....


sabbathblessings: I do not think you are being honest with the word of God and I can see there is no reasoning, so I am going to move on.

 

[Abraham1st]

Thats not what the Scripture says, it was the opposite

All Israel did fall by unbelief, by sabbath and law keeping/breaking

 

[Abraham1st]

Thats not what the Scripture says, it was the opposite


Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

God said Remember to KEEP the Sabbat day holy, so you are saying unbelief id doing the opposite of what God said. That sound awfully similar to what happened in the graden.

All men had to die, is that not clear enough, all had unbelief.




Deuteronomy 2:14 And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the Lord sware unto them.


Hebrews 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

 

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Abraham1st, even websites like GotQuestions which is quite relaxed say that 9 of the 10 Commandments can be found in the New Testament and that just leaves the Holy day Sabbath. Now Jesus came to fulfil but not to break. He didn't break anything what he was charged with breaking the law. He didn't break it, he brought it to its logical conclusion. He supports the Sabbath, but just is more about the spirit of the law and if we want to observe it we can and freely and the Bible supports it free choice. Christians in the main know it is a symbolic day with heritage and tradition. Sometimes if I have gone to a retreat on say Saturday and had the Eucharist I will rest at home on Sunday and know that I am good. The spirit of the law and being a bit flexible when you need to. See GotQuestions support of 9/10 Commandments.
Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament? | GotQuestions.org

My minister is an ordained doctor in the faith said this about Colossians 1:16-

(Colossians 2:16) “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days” This scripture does not support us terminating the Sabbath -but it encourages us not to be put off by those who may ridicule you or try and put you off from upholding it or whatever you choose to do (Colossians 2:16). This scripture is at essence about us avoiding to judge another. This is to supported by ordained ministers who I asked to validate this.

 

[Abraham1st]

Abrham1st, even websites like GotQuestions which is quite relaxed say that 9 of the 10 Commandments can be found in the New Testament and that just leaves the Holy day Sabbath. Now Jesus came to fulfil but not to break. He didn't break anything what he was charged with breaking the law. He didn't break it, he brought it to its logical conclusion. He supports the Sabbath, but just is more about the spirit of the law and if we want to observe it we can and freely and the Bible supports it free choice. Christians in the main know it is a symbolic day with heritage and tradition. Sometimes if I have gone to a retreat on say Saturday and had the Eucharist I will rest at home on Sunday and know that I am good. The spirit of the law and being a bit flexible when you need to.

My minister is an ordained doctor in the faith said this about Colossians 1:16-


(Colossians 2:16) “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days” This scriptures does not support us breaking the Sabbath rule-but it encourages us not to be put off by those who may ridicule you or try and put you off from upholding it or whatever you choose to do (Colossians 2:16). This scripture is at essence about us avoiding to judge another. This is to supported by ordained ministers who I asked to validate this.

The commandments may be found, but they are all by faith, or you cant keep them, did you miss where i showed that we have the love of God in our heart, do you still need to have a commandment telling you to not kill


Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

 

[Abraham1st]

You can keep trying to ush law, and sabbath, i don't mid, as long as you don't mind me answering you on every single things i have done, now you don't have any points unanswered, did you not notice yet

 

[Abraham1st]

so how again is all the law fulfilled


Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

 

[Abraham1st]

I suppose you people can keep your words now, and stop for a while, if not, if there is no REST, we will LABOUR TO ENTER.

 

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Abraham1st, even websites like GotQuestions which is quite relaxed say that 9 of the 10 Commandments can be found in the New Testament and that just leaves the Holy day Sabbath. Now Jesus came to fulfil but not to break. He didn't break anything what he was charged with breaking the law. He didn't break it, he brought it to its logical conclusion. He supports the Sabbath, but just is more about the spirit of the law and if we want to observe it we can and freely and the Bible supports it free choice. Christians in the main know it is a symbolic day with heritage and tradition. Sometimes if I have gone to a retreat on say Saturday and had the Eucharist I will rest at home on Sunday and know that I am good. The spirit of the law and being a bit flexible when you need to. See GotQuestions support of 9/10 Commandments.
Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament? | GotQuestions.org

My minister is an ordained doctor in the faith said this about Colossians 1:16-

(Colossians 2:16) “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days” This scripture does not support us terminating the Sabbath -but it encourages us not to be put off by those who may ridicule you or try and put you off from upholding it or whatever you choose to do (Colossians 2:16). This scripture is at essence about us avoiding to judge another. This is to supported by ordained ministers who I asked to validate this.

This teaching is crazy about the un-biblical number of 9 commandments over the Biblical one God gave Himself Deut4:13 Exo34:18. Forgetting the one commandment God said Remember. Ironic, right?

Yet the Sabbath is all over the NC. People think it just disappeared, its quite silly when it's repeated in the NT at least 55 times never once telling anyone not to keep, but shown being kept in a holy manner by Jesus and His apostles every Sabbath.

The only one we have to answer to is God at Judgement Day, no one else. Only God can reverse His sanctification only God can reverse His blessing Num23:20 He did not take it away and says Blessed is the man who does this (so its something man does - keeps the Sabbath day holy)

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

We are either blessed by God or if not, are the opposite.

This is what we want to hear when Jesus returns


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Lets not let anyone cheat us!

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [a]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Most of the Sabbath Scriptures were directly proceeded out of the mouth of God. Mat4:4

 

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Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Lets not let anyone cheat us!

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [a]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

No commandments were kept by any men in the wilderness, as all entirely had unbelief, not disobedience, but disobedience by unbelief.

Now, all of that is the same, as with unbelief keep nothing.

But by belief, receiving of the love of God by the Holy Ghost, all is fulfilled by loving your neighbour.

How can it not be clear.



Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

 

[rachelrising]

You can keep trying to ush law, and sabbath, i don't mid, as long as you don't mind me answering you on every single things i have done, now you don't have any points unanswered, did you not notice yet

Thank you for your particpation. I read and reflect and see what others say and sit and reflect. To me you seemed to be missing the word break-and kept on repeating the commandments are broken by Jesus in effect, although you may not have stated that directly.

I grew up with the 10 commandments as an under 10 year old and it has been a fabric of my life as well. My parents even had my brothers circumcised. God was our Father and we had a relationship with him and Jesus to. The biggest difference to me is that Jesus is now the sacrafical atonement and we have a more spiritual law instead of more restrictive. God was flexible to if people were unwell, he is fair. Jesus brought things to their logical conclusion. Perhaps people now just do not use the Old Testament and go straight to the New Testatment and do not know who God is.

 

[Abraham1st]

So unfortunately nobody is made perfect in the flesh, in law teaching or keeping, it is against the faith and they fall from grace..


Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Galatians 5: 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?