Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[Hentenza]

This is a popular teaching, but not one found in the Holy Bible.

The 4th commandment didn't get spiralized away, just like the other 9 commandments didn't.

It was fulfilled in Christ and not included in the New Testament because Christ is now our rest. Found that verse yet?

 

[Hentenza]

Jesus said man should live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God quoting the OT Mat4:4 is not an example that the OT got deleted.

Exactly so apply that to yourself. He didn’t say to live by every word that your church and you say. May. 4:4 does not help you.

And nothing got “deleted”. More fallacies.

 

[Abraham1st]

Jesus said man should live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God quoting the OT Mat4:4 is not an example that the OT got deleted.

How does man live, not by bread alone, not by the manna alone, but by this bread. (ALONE.)....




Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

 

[Abraham1st]

The 4th commandment didn't get spiralized away, just like the other 9 commandments didn't.

The rest we receive in Christ is from sin Psa 38:3 Mat 11:28. In Christ rest no one is sinning 1John3:4 or breaking any of His commandments James2:11 , including the 4th commandment Mat12:12 Mat5:19 , this is called unrest, Christ said He would give rest for those who come to Him AND He kept the seventh day Sabbath Luke4:16 Heb4:10, Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11 Lev23:3 as our example 1John2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22. The rest Christ gives does not delete our moral obligation to keep His commandments.

I know the bible fairly well.

Do you not look at any verses on how men never were saved, and how they are saved now.

Christ neither sent the apostle Paul to baptise, nor to circumcise, nor to apply any laws, as there is only the law of faith established.

Are you capable of reading, how those previous could not believe by wisdom, so the foolishness of preaching saves, but to who God chooses, so no man glories in man, but in the Lord.

Those who are circumcised DO NOT KEEP THE LAW, they are incapable of keeping any law, and they seek others to follow them, to be circumcised only to glory in men's flesh, to glory in men and not the Lord.



1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Galatians 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

How does man live, not by bread alone, not by the manna alone, but by this bread. (ALONE.)....




Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Jesus is talking about living by His Word. The Scriptures. What Jesus quoted when the devil tried to tempt Him, what we need to hold on to when we are tempted listening to teachings that tickles the ear but are contrary to what God of the Bible says.

 

[Abraham1st]

The rest we receive in Christ is from sin Psa 38:3

The rest we have is as the first Psalm speaks regarding bones, as Psalm 3:3 speaks of bones requiring rest, and it is rest from having NO MERCY, DELIVERANCE BY THE LORD FROM THOSE WHO ARE TOO STRONG FOR THE POOR, the sword in the bones by reproach from the enemies, to HEAR JOY AND GLADNESS, so the bones He has broken MAY REJOICE, our bones are scattered at the graves mouth, but our eyes look to the Lord God, that our trust may be in Him, to NOT LEAVE OUR SOUL DESTITUTE IN HELL.



Psalm 6:2 Have mercy upon me, O Lord; for I am weak: O Lord, heal me; for my bones are vexed.
3 My soul is also sore vexed: but thou, O Lord, how long?
4 Return, O Lord, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake.
5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Psalm 22:14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

Psalm 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

Psalm 31:10 For my life is spent with grief, and my years with sighing: my strength faileth because of mine iniquity, and my bones are consumed.

Psalm 32:3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.

Psalm 35:10 All my bones shall say, Lord, who is like unto thee, which deliverest the poor from him that is too strong for him, yea, the poor and the needy from him that spoileth him?

Psalm 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.

Psalm 42:10 As with a sword in my bones, mine enemies reproach me; while they say daily unto me, Where is thy God?

Psalm 51:8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.

Psalm 102:3 For my days are consumed like smoke, and my bones are burned as an hearth.

Psalm 102:5 By reason of the voice of my groaning my bones cleave to my skin.

Psalm 141:7 Our bones are scattered at the grave's mouth, as when one cutteth and cleaveth wood upon the earth.
8 But mine eyes are unto thee, O God the Lord: in thee is my trust; leave not my soul destitute.



This is the meaning of all of those verses in Psalms, and how we are not left in hell is ONLY BY THE FRESURRECTION OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, not by any OTHER rest that is an empty rest.



Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

 

[Abraham1st]

Jesus is talking about living by His Word. The Scriptures. What Jesus quoted when the devil tried to tempt Him, what we need to hold on to when we are tempted listening to teachings that tickles the ear but are contrary to what God of the Bible says.

If we don't eat HIs flesh and drink HIs blood we have no life in us, that is living by every word of God, we live by Him as testified...


John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If we don't eat HIs flesh and drink HIs blood we have no life in us, that is living by every word of God, we live by Him as testified...


John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

You do know that is spiritual, we can't literally drink His flesh or drink His blood right?

We do this by eternalizing His word. His word in our hearts and minds Romans 10:8 Heb8:10, not just something we read about, but its who we become, though His word, through Him.

 

[Abraham1st]

The rest we receive in Christ is from sin Mat 11:28.

This is against your teaching not for it...


Matthew 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and ARE HEAVY LADEN, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[Abraham1st]

You do know that is spiritual, we can't literally drink His flesh or drink His blood right?

We do this by eternalizing His word. His word in our hearts and minds Romans 10:8 Heb8:10, not just something we read about, but its who we become, though His word, through Him.

You do read at all, we live by belief, not by your teaching, but by belief in Christ dying to give us His body as sacrifice

 

[Abraham1st]

In Christ rest no one is sinning 1John3:4

In belief purified, this way you do not sin...


1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

 

[Abraham1st]

This is a popular teaching, but not one found in the Holy Bible.
or breaking any of His commandments James2:11

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

If you fulfill the royal law, it is this way...


Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.




But if anyone did not have faith, and they have not received the Holy ghost, they will be transgressors, everyone in the law is...



James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

 

[Abraham1st]

including the 4th commandment Mat12:12 Mat5:19 , this is called unrest,

The least commandments are for those who were still in the law, because the law was until al was fulfilled, after this it is nailed to the cross of Crist and is out of the way, it cant be out of the way until it is nailed, can it.

It is lawful to do good on the sabbath, that was told to those still under the law, until all was fulfilled.

Then it is good to do good on every day, like this...



Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

If you fulfill the royal law, it is this way...


Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.




But if anyone did not have faith, and they have not received the Holy ghost, they will be transgressors, everyone in the law is...

Obviously fulfilling the law of Christ is not breaking any of the commandments as clearly shown in this verse. The He who said is God and the commandments that is being quoted is the Ten Commandments breaking one we because the transgressor of the law, which is sin 1John3:4 and no one is saved in their sins Heb10:26-30 we are saved from sins Mat1:21 we need a transformation in Christ oRom6:1-4

James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

So while you quote a lot of Scripture you seem to be teaching not what the Scriptures are actually saying.

 

[Abraham1st]

Christ said He would give rest for those who come to Him AND He kept the seventh day Sabbath Luke4:16

Christ did the opposite to keeping the sabbath, why would He do that, the law the letter, kills, Christ came to give life, HIs life for us.


John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You just condicted you

It is lawful to do good on the sabbath, that was told to those still under the law, until all was fulfilled.

Then it is good to do good on every day, like this...



Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

If Jesus is the same, that means no one can edit His laws- He wrote them Himself in Stone for their eternal nature, its the Testimony of God Exo31:18 no one is above Him.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

And what man esteems is of no consequence or is above what the God of the Universe esteems, the seventh day is the Sabbath, My holy day Isa58:13.

I think its best to let God speak for Himself, He does not need our help.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Christ did the opposite to keeping the sabbath, why would He do that, the law the letter, kills, Christ came to give life, HIs life for us.


John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Sad.

Jesus in His own words said He kept all of the commandments John15:10. Jesus was not a sinner, it is what the Jews accused Him of. but its sad that most side with them over the words of our Savior John 8:46-47

 

[Abraham1st]

Christ said He would give rest for those who come to Him Heb4:10, Heb4:4

Nothing to do with sabbath/law.rest/worship on one day here, but all is to do with rest one day, if we labour on every day in faith...



Hebrews 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[Abraham1st]

If Jesus is the same, that means no one can edit His laws- He wrote them Himself in Stone for their eternal nature, its the Testimony of God Exo31:18 no one is above Him.

And what man esteems is of no consequence or is above what the God of the Universe esteems, the seventh day is the Sabbath, My holy day Isa58:13.

I think its best to let God speak for Himself, He does not need our help.

You don't notice you are answered, and you tried to make the verses say what you wanted them to say, they didn't say as you wished, but you can still wish as you like.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You don't notice you are answered, and you tried to make the verses say what you wanted them to say, they didn't say as you wished, but you can still wish as you like.

I do not think you are being honest with the word of God and I can see there is no reasoning, so I am going to move on.

Take care