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It's not argument with which I agree. But...

...maybe you can explain why so many excuse his total lack of moral character, his mysogeny, his almost pathological lying, his denial of basic human rights, his lack of care for others...the list goes on and on. He represents your country for heaven's sake and you really would struggle to find someone worse to do it.

Why is there any support for the man?

Many older Americans have always been misogynistic, racist, and nostaglic to one degree or another under the surface, and enough younger Americans were nihilistic enough that they saw Trump as their black pill, a middle finger to "the system".

Trump is really a symptom, not a cause, of American cultural decay. It's been a long process in the making.
 
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"The libs" may or may not be doing whatever.

I'm talking about what this low character president is up to. "Trolling" etc should be beneath the office. Hopefully we'll get an adult in there sooner or later. But I'm not sure people want that.
Lol, Trump trolls some liberals claiming hes going for a third term is bad, but president staying in office who isnt mentally all there isn't? I mean, we could go over stuff Biden said, Obama said, and Clinton and campare. Yet you want to be all upset over Trump saying stuff? It seems to me your just being biased and totally partisan.

It would be nice if you demanded the same out of your Democratic presidents.
 
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The president joking about ignoring the 22 amendment, even selling merch about doing it , you know the topic of the thread. Now, what other parts of the constitution are funny to joke about ignoring?

All of it. Many on the left have been talking for years about how the Constitution isnt some sacred document. Suddenly the Constitution is so sacred that no one can challenge it or joke about anything concerning it.

Actually, as I think about it, he's not joking about the Conatitution. He's poking fun at the liberals for thinking this is remotely a serious consideration.
 
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I love the optimism that there'll even be a USA in 2028 to have an election. I wish I had that level of optimism.

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If Harris had been elected we certainly wouldnt have had a USA by then. Thankfully, Trump got elected. We finally are doing something about the things that were leading us down the wrong path. Like illegal.immigration, DEI, CRT, rhe queering of children, transgenderism, among other things.
 
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While I can't speak for anyone who voted for him, the basic gist I get from talking with people who did, would indicate that they viewed what the left was selling...
Whoa...I'm not talking about societal norms or policies. I'm talking about the man. His complete lack of any redeeming features that you'd consider necessary for someone to represent your nation.

Just the opposite in fact. He has all the characteristics that I'd suggest would deny him even being considered.
 
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If Harris had been elected we certainly wouldnt have had a USA by then

Cute. But I'm actually being serious.

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Does anyone here actually admire Trump? Would want their children to imitate him?
Is Trump a perfect man? No he is a flawed human being like me and every other person on this forum. Yes I admire Trump and I am proud of it. He is a patriot to a greater degree than most politicians today and certainly more so than the majority of current liberal leadership. He probably is the most politically, and legally attacked president in the history of this nation . He has had attacks on his life, attacks by the press and a rouge legal system as well as on family members. Constant attacks by members of this forum continue. Yes I admire the man !
 
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Cute. But I'm actually being serious.

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I know you are. Its too bad you feel that way. If things keep going the way they are, we will have a better and stronger America than we've had in sometime.

As long as the economy does okay.
 
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Whoa...I'm not talking about societal norms or policies. I'm talking about the man. His complete lack of any redeeming features that you'd consider necessary for someone to represent your nation.

Just the opposite in fact. He has all the characteristics that I'd suggest would deny him even being considered.
Be that as it may, many people looked at through at it through the lens of social/societal norms, and saw his candidacy as straying less from that.

Had the Democrats ran a "normie" Democrat (circa 2004-2012), they probably would've beat him.
 
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IMO, Trump will not be physically or mentally capable to run for a 3rd term.

Next year, in the lead up to th mid-term elections, this administration will reveal just how far they are willing to go to keep a rubber stamp legislature in power.
 
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Except Democrat politicians didn't generally run on those issues. Kamala Harris' policy positions, such as they were, were almost all about "kitchen table issues" such as what you mentioned.

It's really down to the fact that the Right has been able to harness grievance through various media channels, and to shape a narrative that's portrayed Democrats as being more extreme than they actually are.
They don't necessarily have to "run on" those issues, but they give lip service to those issues, while not offering anything meaningful on the ones people actually care about.

For example, Gretchen Whitmer's economic policies were some unremarkable and unmemorable compared to the run of the mill Midwestern Democratic politicians...but what people do remember?

Her saying "Menstruating Michiganders" (instead of just saying "women") as to not offend college kids
Her locking everyone down in her state (while she and her husband went to their vacation property to go have fun on a boat)
Her commenting about the anti-lockdown protestors, saying they "represent the worst of America", then a month later going out and participating in BLM protests.


Harris had a different issue...
1) She didn't just focus on the economic issues (and the ones she did focus on were either watered down or didn't resonate, hence the reason so many major unions declined to make an endorsement, breaking a long tradition of endorsing the democratic ticket)
2) With the social issues, she was trying to thread the needle and play "political chameleon" depending on the audience. Sometimes she was pro-law enforcement, sometimes she went the other way... she was pro-Israel when spending in front of certain audiences, but then would flip to be sympathetic to Gazans when she was in certain parts of Michigan or on a college campus.


The semfor article I provided sums it all up pretty nicely... It was not a small survey, we're talking about over a hundred thousand people interviewed over a period of six months, that's a pretty nice sized sample.

What they found was that a ticket that:
- Included some popular measures from left-leaning economic populism (paid family leave, expanding Medicaid, increasing the federal minimum wage)
- Strong borders and safe communities
- Ditching some of the "woke" stuff

....would be a ticket that would be pretty popular with over 70% of American voters.


Why do you think Bernie is/was so popular? (even quite a few of the blue collar Trump voters were Bernie supporters in the democratic primary)
He checks all 3 of those boxes, he pitches some popular economic ideas, he still acknowledges the need for strong borders and security, and he rarely talks about the other "woke" stuff.

I think it was on his appearance on Bill Maher when Bill asked him official position on one of the trans issues, and he said something to the effect of, "I don't have one, that's not my area of focus, I'm more concerned about getting people healthcare"
 
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Be that as it may, many people looked at through at it through the lens of social/societal norms, and saw his candidacy as straying less from that.

Had the Democrats ran a "normie" Democrat (circa 2004-2012), they probably would've beat him.

A "normie Democrat"? Is that just a man? The only two elections Trump won were the only two times a major party nominated a woman.
 
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Is Trump a perfect man? No he is a flawed human being like me and every other person on this forum. Yes I admire Trump and I am proud of it. He is a patriot to a greater degree than most politicians today and certainly more so than the majority of current liberal leadership. He probably is the most politically, and legally attacked president in the history of this nation . He has had attacks on his life, attacks by the press and a rouge legal system as well as on family members. Constant attacks by members of this forum continue. Yes I admire the man !

Lincoln would like a word.
 
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Lincoln would like a word.
Lincoln didn’t have media to deal with comparable to what Trump has . Maybe Kennedy as well but I stand by my statement. No previous President has been treated like Trump. I have been very open on this forum about my belief that Trump was chosen by God for this country in this time. More than one Christian leader prophesied before the fact that Trump would have 2 terms. That said it should be very easy to figure out the reason for the unhinged opposition to him. I am sure I do not need to draw anyone a picture. Anyone who has read many of my posts noticed that I frequently use the phrase “unnatural hatred” of Trump. That was a very intentional choice of words. I am not in the least swayed by all of the self righteous character assassinations of Trump. I am sure this post will be a wealth of fodder for many.
 
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A "normie Democrat"? Is that just a man? The only two elections Trump won were the only two times a major party nominated a woman.
No, a normie Democrat from that era I described would've been someone who was center-left economically, and centrist on the social issues.

The reason why Trump won those two elections was because they picked bad candidates with bad strategies. Their gender had nothing to do with it.

Hillary viewed the "fly-over" states as a afterthought. It was Wisconsin (and there was one other state I can't remember) that she didn't even campaign in at all And she didn't even add a Midwest campaign strategist to her campaign team until 2-3 weeks before the election for a last ditch effort only after polling results started to look a little iffy.

Kamala's case was where she played "political chameleon" in ways that disenfranchised some of her own team's voters and left them unexcited.

If you look at the election results between 2020 and 2024, it's not that Trump gained a bunch of voters, it's that Kamala fell way short of the number the voters that Biden got. (about 6 million fewer voters came out for her than came out for Biden) -- Pew Research estimated that about 12% of 2020 Biden voters either voted 3rd party or stayed home on election day. I was in the latter group... I voted Biden in 2020, in 2024, I left that section of the ballot blank and opted to just vote for state/local matters.
 
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Lincoln didn’t have media to deal with comparable to what Trump has.

Lincoln knew how to deal with the press, lock them up once they report lies. President Trump should do the same.
 
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