BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

[Strong in Him]

I expect this:

Jesus is not revealed to all the world, as yet, so this must be before the Return.

The Son of Man will return at an hour when you do not expect him, Matthew 24:44.

You do not expect him to return before certain things have taken place.
Just saying

 

[keras]

The Son of Man will return at an hour when you do not expect him, Matthew 24:44.

You do not expect him to return before certain things have taken place.
Just saying

All the prophesies that say we cannot know the Day, refer to the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath. NOT the glorious Return.
It will be the sudden and shocking Sixth Seal event, which will be a surprise to all.

The Day of the Return will be known, as it will come exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated by the 'beast'. Rev 13:5-6
The great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, will take place during that time. Culminating in the 6th & 7th Bowls;- Armageddon.

 

[Strong in Him]

All the prophesies that say we cannot know the Day, refer to the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath. NOT the glorious Return.
It will be the sudden and shocking Sixth Seal event, which will be a surprise to all.

That's not what Jesus said.
The parable of the wise and foolish virgins, the parable of the master who went away and was a long time coming back, Luke 12:42-46 and the teaching that if the owner of the house had known when the thief would be coming all talk of a person who came/returned when they were not expected.
Jesus said "The Son of Man will return ......" , not "the 6th seal event will be ........."

The Day of the Return will be known, as it will come exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated by the 'beast'. Rev 13:5-6

You believe what you like. If you believe you will be alive in 15-20 years time, able to move to Israel and take part in animal sacrifices, you hang onto that. But even if you are around, this forum probably won't be so you will never have to give account to us for your erroneous teaching.

God the Father has always known the time of Jesus' return - long before we humans started messing about with calendars.

The great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, will take place during that time. Culminating in the 6th & 7th Bowls;- Armageddon.

If you say so.
But you may be watching these things from heaven.

 

[keras]

Jesus said "The Son of Man will return ......" , not "the 6th seal event will be ........."

'return' is not in my Bible, in that Parable.
The Lord will come unexpectedly on His Day of wrath. Which is not and cannot be the same Day as the glorious Return.

You believe what you like. If you believe you will be alive in 15-20 years time, able to move to Israel and take part in animal sacrifices, you hang onto that. But even if you are around, this forum probably won't be so you will never have to give account to us for your erroneous teaching.

It is possible for me to live for another 36 years. I do expect to be in the Holy Land when Jesus Returns.
EVERYONE must give account for their deeds. I will stand before God; knowing I have done what God asked me to do.

But you may be watching these things from heaven.

Again; the 'going to live in heaven', fixation.
JESUS SAID: No one goes to heaven - except for the One who came from there.

But thanks for thinking I might just be good enough to go to heaven.

 

[Strong in Him]

'return' is not in my Bible, in that Parable.
The Lord will come unexpectedly on His Day of wrath. Which is not and cannot be the same Day as the glorious Return.

Oh, so he's coming back twice?

It is possible for me to live for another 36 years. I do expect to be in the Holy Land when Jesus Returns.

So now the Lord's coming back in 36 years, not between 15-20?
You think you're going to live to be 120?

EVERYONE must give account for their deeds. I will stand before God; knowing I have done what God asked me to do.

I dispute that God would ask you to say something that is untrue and misinterpret his word.
But as long as you are willing to explain that.

But thanks for thinking I might just be good enough to go to heaven.

If you think that being in heaven is about your good deeds - forget end times, you've got fundamental problems.

 

[keras]

Oh, so he's coming back twice?

The Lord will not be seen on His terrible day of vengeance and wrath. Psalms 11:4-6..... He SENDS fire to destroy His enemies. Habakkuk 3:4, +

So now the Lord's coming back in 36 years, not between 15-20?
You think you're going to live to be 120?

I hope to be with Jesus in the Millennium, in 15-20 years.

Genesis 6:3 says it is possible; Moses did it. Also, Isaiah 65:20 tells us people will live for much longer in the Millennium. I believe our atmosphere will have a higher proportion of Oxygen then.

If you think that being in heaven is about your good deeds - forget end times, you've got fundamental problems.

I worded my reply incorrectly. As a believer in Jesus, I have His Promise of Eternal life, John 3:16 With God, on the new earth. Rev 21:1-7

If ' jumping to conclusions' was an Olympic event, you would get the gold medal.

 

[Strong in Him]

The Lord will not be seen on His terrible day of vengeance and wrath. Psalms 11:4-6.....

Right.

I hope to be with Jesus in the Millennium, in 15-20 years.

So it's only the Millennium which is in 15-20 years and you only "hope" to be with Jesus?

Genesis 6:3 says it is possible; Moses did it.

And Noah lived til he was six or seven hundred.

Also, Isaiah 65:20 tells us people will live for much longer in the Millennium. I believe our atmosphere will have a higher proportion of Oxygen then.

Right.

I worded my reply incorrectly. As a believer in Jesus, I have His Promise of Eternal life, John 3:16

If ' jumping to conclusions' was an Olympic event, you would get the gold medal.

How have I "jumped to conclusions"?
I've been quoting your own words and commenting on how they come across to me and what you seem to be saying. If you are not saying those things, maybe you should word your posts a little better.

You did say that you were glad that I thought you were good enough to get to heaven.

 

[keras]

What I am very aware of, is the penalty for false teaching.
That is why I refute theories such as the list in the OP of this thread. Sadly; all of them and more, are taught in Church's and Seminaries.
The 'rapture to heaven' is the biggy; there is plenty of scriptures that prove such a thing to be impossible.

2 Timothy 3:1-17 Remember, the final age of this world is to be a time of turmoil! People will love nothing but self and money, they will be boastful, arrogant and abusive. Disobedient to parents, devoid of gratitude, piety and natural affection. They will be uncontrolled in their violence, hating all goodness, perfidious, foolhardy and self important. They will love their pleasures more than their God. While preserving the outward form of religion, actually, they deny its power. Have nothing to do with them.

Persecution will indeed come to everyone who wants to lead a godly life as a follower of Christ Jesus, while evil doers and imposters will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But for your part, stand by the truths you have learned and are assured of, because you are familiar with the Holy scriptures which have the power to make you wise and lead you into salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
All inspired scripture has its use for teaching the truth, refuting error and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be capable and equipped for good works of every kind.

2 Timothy 4:1-5 Before God and before Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, I charge you solemnly by His coming appearing and Kingdom reign – to proclaim the gospel, press it home, in season and out of season, use argument, reproof and encouragement with all the patience that teaching requires.

For the time will come when people will not stand sound teaching, but each will follow his own ideas and will gather crowds to hear whatever they fancy. They will stop their ears to the truth and turn aside to myths.
But, you must keep your head whatever happens; put up with hardship, work to spread the gospel and discharge all the duties of your calling.

1 Timothy 1:3-11 I asked you, Timothy, to instruct certain people to refrain from teaching erroneous doctrines and devoting themselves to interminable myths and fruitless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculations that do nothing to further God’s plan for humans, that works through faith in Him. The goal of this Command is love, which comes from a pure heart, a good conscience and a genuine faith. Through a lack of these attributes, some have gone astray into a plethora of theories and false notions. They set out to be teachers of the Law, but they do not know what they are talking about or the true meaning of the Word.
We all know the Law is a good thing, if it is used properly, it’s there not just for the righteous, but is necessary for the lawless and sinful, the godless and worldly, the murderers and fornicators, perverts, liars, perjurers, in fact all whose behaviour flouts the glorious Gospel of God.

The end of this era, will be a time of turmoil, Paul may be referring to the Tribulation period, but we have for the last 100 years experienced many wars and disasters. Matt. 24:6-8

Persecution will come to everyone who follows Jesus, Hebrews 12:8 This totally refutes any ‘pre-trib/wrath rapture to heaven’. 1 Peter 4:12 However, the faithful Christians will be taken to a place of safety during the Great Tribulation. Revelation 12:14

While preserving the outward form of religion, they deny its power. Many, so called Christian Churches have deviated so far from the true Gospel, they are no longer a Church of God. Isaiah 58, Jude 1-25, Revelation 3:14-22

The time has come when people refuse sound teaching, they believe false theories, ignore, allegorise or place Bible prophecy into past history, so have no proper understanding of what will happen soon. Isaiah 29:13-14, Isaiah 30:8-11

False teachers are more prevalent than ever, promoting their erroneous doctrines. Ministries, TV shows, books, etc, on the end times are a big business. Their judgement comes, false teachers will all meet their end on the Day of wrath. Jeremiah14:13-16, Isaiah 56:9-12

 

[Strong in Him]

What I am very aware of, is the penalty for false teaching.
That is why I refute theories such as the list in the OP of this thread. Sadly; all of them and more, are taught in Church's and Seminaries.

It could be that some of them are true.
You've already said that your Pastor/Elder/Minister and "almost everyone you know" disagrees with your teaching on a certain matter - yet you insist that you are right.
I once saw you write a phrase like, "commentators are wrong about this" - and you maintained you were right.
You once gave me "top marks" because I said, "let me guess, I am wrong to say this and wrong if I disagree with you".

What's the common theme here? Everyone else is wrong and only you have the truth.
Like I said; a huge red flag.

The end of this era, will be a time of turmoil, Paul may be referring to the Tribulation period, but we have for the last 100 years experienced many wars and disasters. Matt. 24:6-8

Or he may have been referring to the fact that Christians were being persecuted, he was in prison and was very likely going to be killed.

We have, for the last 2,000 years, experienced wars and disasters.

False teachers are more prevalent than ever, promoting their erroneous doctrines. Ministries, TV shows, books, etc, on the end times are a big business. Their judgement comes, false teachers will all meet their end on the Day of wrath. Jeremiah14:13-16, Isaiah 56:9-12

Yes, they are - JWs, Moonies, Mormons, people who claim that all roads lead to God, people who teach/believe that they need to do good deeds to be in heaven etc etc.

You are very aware of the problem yet it seems that challenging people about these things, writing the truth and spreading the Good News is not in your remit.
All you want to do is to look at OT prophecies, apply them to the world today and teach about end times.

You still haven't told me how I "jumped to conclusions".

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

What's the common theme here? Everyone else is wrong and only you have the truth.
Like I said; a huge red flag.

The phenomena happens a lot with Revelation. People think that they have all the angles down pat.

I've read and studied end times for well over 4 decades now and I still, like Paul, see only in part, which precludes me or anyone else having any type of pin point accuracy.

It's a very difficult read because it's almost all "in the spirit" and filled with allegory, similitude and shadows-figures, etc.

It requires a grasp of the O.T. scriptures as well, which makes it even more difficult.

And most importantly, the bulk of the document deals with the final stages of the DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS, which keras completely ignores in his doom and gloom scenarios.

I think it's GREAT that the devils are going to have doom and gloom, don't you?

But his all blood and guts to people only story is just kind of sad and lame because it misses that point entirely

There are simple and good conclusions to be had therein in any case, such as "all of creation" praising God in Christ right off the get go, in Rev. 5:13 which fact keras' positions doesn't like at all. But I like to start there, because I believe it's true and closer to the horizon than when it was written.

 

[keras]

Everyone else is wrong and only you have the truth.

Daniel 12:10b ....only the wise will understand.
Obviously, most people will not understand the Prophesies. I do my best to promote what the Prophets tell us, but those with their own interpretations are blinded to the truth. Isaiah 29:9-12

Rev. 5:13 which fact keras' positions doesn't like at all

A crude and rude accusation.
Clearly, Rev 5:13 will come to pass after the Millennium. Only then will ALL Creation praise God.

 

[Strong in Him]

Daniel 12:10b ....only the wise will understand.
Obviously, most people will not understand the Prophesies. I do my best to promote what the Prophets tell us, but those with their own interpretations are blinded to the truth. Isaiah 29:9-12

I could say the same for you.

I don't agree with number 5 of your OP - Jesus' blood was the blood of the New Covenant.
I don't agree that we will need to offer animal sacrifices in a new temple - Jesus said no such thing.
I don't agree that Christians will go to the Holy Land and the Lord will return after that.

But instead of saying, "that's an interesting view/interpretation, let's discuss it", I am wrong because I disagree with you. In your last post, not only am I wrong, I'm unwise and blinded too.

Well you just carry on.