Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

[Oompa Loompa]

Whats a legislative terrorist? Would that be Cuomo who killed thousands of old people in NYC?

It is a made up term like transgender. But I digress.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Okay, I will review the 40 minute video when I have time....(I don't today).

He speaks a little slower, I assume to try and be clearly understood, but it's definitely worth a listen. I wasn't planning on debating anything about it, he's a constitutional and criminal law professor with Yale University - I can't beat that myself and there's not much to debate anyway. I don't think anyone actually likes to see us have to take military actions against anyone. It's always a little sad, necessary, but still sad.

 

[Hazelelponi]

So can they order the execution of people suspected of smuggling drugs? I'll let you check the various types statutes.

Already have along with posting the legal analysis from Yale University law Professor, Jed Rubenfeld (Constitutional and Criminal law) he said Trump has a lot of law behind him

Feel free to listen.

 

[rjs330]

Already have and posted the legal analysis of the Yale University law Professor, Jed Rubenfeld he says probably perfectly legal.

Feel free to listen.

It's legal, unless specifically prohibited by law or until ruled upon by the Supreme Court. Then if you continue you are in violation of the Constitution.

That's why this whole nonsense of "what about drug dealers in the US? Can we just kill them"? The answer is no. We have laws and Constitutional rulings that govern this kind of thing within the borders of the United States. These things that don't apply to the high seas or in foreign countries.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It's legal, unless specifically prohibited by law or until ruled upon by the Supreme Court. Then if you continue you are in violation of the Constitution.

That's why this whole nonsense of "what about drug dealers in the US? Can we just kill them"? The answer is no. We have laws and Constitutional rulings that govern this kind of thing within the borders of the United States. These things that don't apply to the high seas or in foreign countries.

You should listen to the video too. We have laws that govern just about everything - it's a matter of piecing together what laws fit where and when and why and how. It is more complicated than you just stated. We can't just kill whoever we want on the high seas either. We are a nation of laws.

That said, the Trump administration is following the law thus far.

 

[Bradskii]

Already have along with posting the legal analysis from Yale University law Professor, Jed Rubenfeld (Constitutional and Criminal law) he said Trump has a lot of law behind him

I'm sure we could find some pros and cons as regards the fine details of international law to bat back and forth. But I'm no legal eagle. Do I'm interested in your personal, moral opinion on extra judicial killings.

 

[rjs330]

You should listen to the video too. We have laws that govern just about everything - it's a matter of piecing together what laws fit where and when and why and how. It is more complicated than you just stated. We can't just kill whoever we want on the high seas either. We are a nation of laws.

That said, the Trump administration is following the law thus far.

I will look at the video. My point is, what we can do on the high seas and other countries is different than what we can do inside the borders of rhe US.

Its not the same. That's all I'm getting at.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I'm sure we could find some pros and cons as regards the fine details of international law to bat back and forth. But I'm no legal eagle. Do I'm interested in your personal, moral opinion on extra judicial killings.

I don't consider it extrajudicially in the first place. It's not. Its a state of war (not using this as a legal term) intentionally and with cause. .

I don't reject these actions. There's nothing to reject. They are lawful acts by a government entity against people who are killing ours.

I believe government has the actual responsibility to protect this nation and it's people. It's why we have a government and why governments are necessary.

This is the charge God gave to governments and it's necessary for the protection of the citizens.

Asking nice didn't work. Being kind doesn't work. Playing the victim doesn't help anyone. This is what we have a government for.

 

[Bradskii]

I don't consider it extrajudicially in the first place. It's not. Its a state of war (not using this as a legal term)...

Then don't use it as such.

I don't reject these actions. There's nothing to reject. They are lawful acts by a government entity against people who are killing ours.

That's not true. Otherwise killing anyone who supplies drugs can be killed. Extra judicially.

Do you understand the meaning of that term?

 

[Hentenza]

Then don't use it as such.

That's not true. Otherwise killing anyone who supplies drugs can be killed. Extra judicially.

Do you understand the meaning of that term?

Thugs that supply drugs are killed all the time. It’s part of the dangers of their lifestyles.

 

[Bradskii]

Thugs that supply drugs are killed all the time. It’s part of the dangers of their lifestyles.

Can I ask you if you think that people who deal in drugs should be killed as a matter of course by the government?

Simple question. Give me a simple answer.

 

[Hentenza]

Can I ask you if you think that people who deal in drugs should be killed as a matter of course by the government?

Simple question. Give me a simple answer.

They do all the time. Thugs run from police and resist police all the time. Most carry guns and use them against police or federal agents. It’s a fact of their chosen carrier.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

Whats a legislative terrorist? Would that be Cuomo who killed thousands of old people in NYC?

Apparently the Democrats according to the Speaker of the House. If terrorists have it coming, just curious if it applies there too.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

It is a made up term like transgender. But I digress.

Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, is using a made up term to refer to Democrats in Congress?

 

[DaisyDay]

Yes they do need help. And we should help them. I'm all for it. The question does become, how many times, ten twenty, three?

Seventy times seven.
Matthew 18:21-22

There is only so much we can do for people who refuse to stay off.

That's true. If they are not harming you, why are you trying to force them?

And maybe, staunching the flow will eventually help as well. If we make it much more difficult to obtain, it may help keep them off.

Sure, kill the people who are not us in hopes that the people who are us will modify their own behavior. Good idea! The only ones who matter are us, not them. /s

 

[wing2000]

They do all the time. Thugs run from police and resist police all the time. Most carry guns and use them against police or federal agents. It’s a fact of their chosen carrier.

I see. If the government suspects I'm trafficking drugs, they're within their rights to kill me without first providing an opportunity to surrender?

 

[Hentenza]

I see. If the government suspects I'm trafficking drugs, they're within their rights to kill me without first providing an opportunity to surrender?

Your logic does not follow. The laws IN the US are NOT the same as those in international waters. Any country has the right to protect their borders from those with ill intent whether it is a terror attack, enemy attack or, in this case, drug smuggling. Those involved in that lifestyle assume all responsibility for their demise.

 

[wing2000]

Your logic does not follow. The laws IN the US are NOT the same as those in international waters. Any country has the right to protect their borders from those with ill intent whether it is a terror attack, enemy attack or, in this case, drug smuggling. Those involved in that lifestyle assume all responsibility for their demise.

"My logic" has been the law of the seas under which the U.S. Coast Guard has been operating for the last several decades. Interdicting drug smugglers and offering them a chance to surrender and face prosecution has been the standard operating procedure.

 

[Hentenza]

"My logic" has been the law of the seas under which the U.S. Coast Guard has been operating for the last several decades. Interdicting drug smugglers and offering them a chance to surrender and face prosecution has been the standard operating procedure.

And yet no court has ruled that what the military is doing is against the law so your point is moot.

 

[wing2000]

And yet no court has ruled that what the military is doing is against the law so your point is moot.

....yet.