Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

[Postvieww]

Where does the constitution say anything about communism?

Is this a serious question? Our government is a constitutional republic which has nothing in common with a communist or socialist government. Like I said anyone who supports this foolishness masquerading as protest to save democracy does not care about our constitution and is duped by propaganda.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Is this a serious question?

Yes.

Our government is a constitutional republic which has nothing in common with a communist or socialist government.

It doesn't say anything about communism. There is no law against communism or being a part of a communist organization or advocating for communism.

Like I said anyone who supports this foolishness masquerading as protest to save democracy does not care about our constitution and is duped by propaganda.

That's your opinion.

 

[NxNW]

You understand why it's called a plea deal, right? They make a deal - prosecution goes lighter on you if you do things they want, and in this case it included admitting to sedition.

They admitted guilt, as I said.

 

[Chesterton]

They admitted guilt, as I said.

Yes but they are all angels. They were only there to serve milk and cookies to law enforcement, and to get an autograph from Nancy Pelosi.

See? I can make stuff up, too.

 

[NxNW]

Yes but they are all angels. They were only there to serve milk and cookies to law enforcement, and to get an autograph from Nancy Pelosi.

See? I can make stuff up, too.

What I said was true, though.

 

[Bradskii]

Obama was found to legally have killed 3 US citizens in Yemen. So I have no problem with Trumps drug interdiction on the high seas. As for blowing up trucks that is hypothetical trolling. If Trump ever blows one up we can discuss it then.

Again, the question is asked not necessarily to elicit an answer but to indicate that a refusal to respond shows how nonsensical the position is.

It's equally nonsensical, and further illustrating that the point being made has been entirely missed, by suggesting that 'If Trump ever blows one up we can discuss it then.' Because if he did then it would be considered murder. Seems like if there's a boat then it's entirely acceptable to a lot of peope to blow the thing up. But heaven's...not a truck. Not a house.

There's plainly some subtle mental gymnastics going on that I'm not aware of. Maybe you could explain. Or maybe not.

 

[Chesterton]

What I said was true, though.

Evidence, please. I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

 

[NxNW]

Evidence, please. I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

You need evidence that they pled guilty, after you posted that same fact?

 

[Chesterton]

You need evidence that they pled guilty, after you posted that same fact?

No, evidence for everything you said in post #211, which I've already asked you for twice and you've ignored me twice.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

It's more than 50/50 when you factor in the fact that she's from Chicago (Cook County Illinois is one of the deepest blue counties in the country, not far behind San Francisco County, CA and Prince Georges County, MD). And Illinois Teachers' unions are some of the most politically active (in favor of Democrats) in the country.

The dynamic would be a little different if we were perhaps talking about a private school teacher from rural Kentucky.

Sure

So you combine the fact that she's in a near 70/30 democratic profession (nationally), in is from a county where it's already 80/20 democratic regardless of profession.

The 70/30 numbers are from the campaign contribution report by EFI, it is a proxy for political affiliation. The numbers I proposed were about political affiliation. That they differ so much is an indication that campaign contribution is a questionable proxy for political affiliation.

And then combine both of those things with the fact that she clearly has an activist-type inclination, and thinks it's okay to mock someone who got shot in the neck (which is way worse than getting fired)

Activist-type inclination seems like a very fuzzy term, when all we can say is that she was at a No Kings rally. Was that all that you are trying to convey with activist-type inclination

When asking the question, "percentage likelihood that this person would have been celebrating conservatives getting in trouble and/or fired for expressing controversial viewpoints on social media?", what would your honest estimate be on a scale from 0-100?

I can understand a resistance to saying "100"...but I think we can both agree it's much closer to 100 than it is to 0.

Let's assume that campaing contributions are a good indicator of political affiliation, and that the reported 70 percent of democrats supports employers discipling employees are true even when using that proxy (even when that was reported they separated democrats from independents, so it should probably shifted down if you're going to force all in the democrat or republican categories). Then we have for Illinois (the Educational Freedom Institute[?] actually published it by state) that there are a ~61% (0,87*0,7) chance that she is a democrat that supports that employers discipline employees. As you see the "activist-type inclination" and unappropiate rude gestures have to do a lot of heavy lifting for us to be certain or near certain (say above 95% probability) about her views on employers disciplining employees. We don't know how "activist-type inclination" and rude gestures correlate with views on employers disciplining employees. You went even further and ascribed gloating and celebrating to her.

If you just would say that it was an a-hole move, I agree completely with you. If you say that you feel that it is more likely that she is left-leaning than right-leaning, I would say probably yes. To say much more than that seems to be premature, there can still be more information forthcoming.

 

[Postvieww]

It doesn't say anything about communism. There is no law against communism or being a part of a communist organization or advocating for communism.

Yes, the freedoms afforded in this country allow for individuals to advocate for the loss of the very freedoms that allow them to be vocally and politically ignorant.

That's your opinion.

It absolutely is and it is a factually correct opinion!

 

[Postvieww]

Again, the question is asked not necessarily to elicit an answer but to indicate that a refusal to respond shows how nonsensical the position is.

Here is a question to answer. If a boat , plane or balloon with designated terrorist aboard with the intent of killing US citizens crosses our border can we justifiably blow it up? If a truck driven by designated terrorist bringing drugs to kill US citizens crosses our borders, can we justifiably blow it up? You tell me what rationale you use to come up with your answer. That is if you decide to answer.

It's equally nonsensical, and further illustrating that the point being made has been entirely missed, by suggesting that 'If Trump ever blows one up we can discuss it then.' Because if he did then it would be considered murder. Seems like if there's a boat then it's entirely acceptable to a lot of peope to blow the thing up. But heaven's...not a truck. Not a house.

It is the job of any president to protect American citizens. Sometimes that includes violence.

There's plainly some subtle mental gymnastics going on that I'm not aware of. Maybe you could explain. Or maybe not.

No not really. It actually is simple. If they are trying to kill us we kill them first. The thousands of drug deaths in this country are not acceptable. It appears to me that many liberals cannot accept the fact that Trump actually takes his job description seriously.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes, the freedoms afforded in this country allow for individuals to advocate for the loss of the very freedoms that allow them to be vocally and politically ignorant.

That’s not what communism is nor does it have anything to do with what Mamdani is proposing for NYC.

It absolutely is and it is a factually correct opinion!

Opinions aren’t facts.

 

[Postvieww]

That’s not what communism is nor does it have anything to do with what Mamdani is proposing for NYC.

Believe what you wish! He will be a disaster for NY if elected.

Opinions aren’t facts.

Sometimes , but in this case my opinion is factually correct.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Believe what you wish! He will be a disaster for NY if elected.

I believe we’ll have to wait and see. What makes you think Cuomo would be so much better?

Do you live in New York?

Sometimes , but in this case my opinion is factually correct.

You’ve presented no facts, just your own unevidenced belief that everyone taking part in a protest you don’t like must hate America. There’s no facts there, just your own prejudiced belief. You’re welcome to your opinions but they aren’t facts.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Do you live in New York?

Does one have to live in NYC to be concerned about it?

I've mentioned before on here (in other topics), that there are a few cities in the country that are in the unique position of being the de facto "seat" of entire sectors.

In the case of NYC, they're, for all intents and purposes, the seat of the US investing & banking sector, so what happens there, most certainly has the ability to have spillover impact for people who don't live in NY.
(the same way I have a vested interest in what happens in the Bay Area with regards to the tech sector, despite having never lived in the bay area)

Mamdani has proposed raising taxes even higher – adding a 2% income tax on New York City residents who make over $1 million per year and raising the top corporate tax rate to 11.5% (from 7.25%)

If someone living in another state does any significant business with JP Morgan Chase or CitiBank, you don't think that them having their corporate tax burden increased by just under 60% would have a few wide reaching impacts?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Does one have to live in NYC to be concerned about it?

Yeah. In my opinion. If people are going to complain about a guy who hasn’t even been elected yet they should at least be people that can be directly impacted by his policy proposals.

I've mentioned before on here (in other topics), that there are a few cities in the country that are in the unique position of being the de facto "seat" of entire sectors.

In the case of NYC, they're, for all intents and purposes, the seat of the US investing & banking sector, so what happens there, most certainly has the ability to have spillover impact for people who don't live in NY.
(the same way I have a vested interest in what happens in the Bay Area with regards to the tech sector, despite having never lived in the bay area)

Mamdani has proposed raising taxes even higher – adding a 2% income tax on New York City residents who make over $1 million per year and raising the top corporate tax rate to 11.5% (from 7.25%)

If someone living in another state does any significant business with JP Morgan Chase or CitiBank, you don't think that them having their corporate tax burden increased by just under 60% would have a few wide reaching impacts?

Maybe but that’s not really up to them who New Yorkers decide to elect to be their mayor. All Mamdani can do is put himself out there with his policies and hope they resonate with enough voters.

I think the fear here is his economic populist agenda really does resonate with a lot of people and the alternatives against him seem comically disastrous.

 

[Postvieww]

I believe we’ll have to wait and see. What makes you think Cuomo would be so much better?

I don ‘t believe Cuomo has proposed City run grocery stores or higher taxes on certain white people.

You’ve presented no facts, just your own unevidenced belief that everyone taking part in a protest you don’t like must hate America. There’s no facts there, just your own prejudiced belief. You’re welcome to your opinions but they aren’t facts.

I have, you just ignore them . I posted videos showing unhinged , uninformed protesters who show no respect for the rule of law , a duly elect president and blindly follow paid agitators.

 

[NxNW]

Here is a question to answer. If a boat , plane or balloon with designated terrorist aboard with the intent of killing US citizens crosses our border can we justifiably blow it up?

How do you make the determination of who's on a plane and what their intent is?

If a truck driven by designated terrorist bringing drugs to kill US citizens crosses our borders, can we justifiably blow it up?

Nobody sells drugs specifically to kill the buyer.

It is the job of any president to protect American citizens. Sometimes that includes violence.

So far, we haven't established that a danger exists.

No not really. It actually is simple. If they are trying to kill us we kill them first.

Let me know when you figure out who is trying to kill us.

The thousands of drug deaths in this country are not acceptable.

So far we've seen no evidence that Trump has prevented a single death.

It appears to me that many liberals cannot accept the fact that Trump actually takes his job description seriously.

We've seen no evidence to support that claim.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Why can't you at least just answer the question of what kind of fallout you're talking about?

Charlie Kirk wanted the Epstein client list/ files released. Charlie Kirk believed in God. Charlie wouldn't support people, that were in the file. He wouldn't be quite about it either. Margery Green said that during the shutdown. They care more about signing a petition, not to release the Epstein file. Then making sure the poor and middle class get insurance. I'm sure they are protecting Trump and other politicians. Trumps people know who's in the Epstein files. And Kirk wouldn't be okay with it.