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Who is on the Lords Side?

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Jesus never left. So notions of some external physical return are a moot point.
Acts 1:11 is not moot.
Revelation 19:11 is what will happen. Or our Bibles are just a fiction.
So your millennium still has the devil and his messengers? Is this your position?

The devils are still here, still sinning in PEOPLE? Doesn't sound like much of a millennial reign does it?
Can't you read Revelation 20:1-3?
No further explanation needed.
The GREAT TRIBULATION will transpire INTERNALLY, in us
Rather wakadoodle! The 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls will happen as described. It is Gods Plan, who are you to dispute and spiritualize it?
God displayed His wrath before, when the Israelites departed from Egypt and with Noah's Flood.
 
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Acts 1:11 is not moot.
Revelation 19:11 is what will happen. Or our Bibles are just a fiction.
The "body" of Christ is typing in our posts.

Unless you remain blinded to Him dwelling in your temple?

The so called return is aka Him in us, fully revealed, as previously cited to you
Can't you read Revelation 20:1-3?
No further explanation needed.
Just means you have a very bad physical sight only timeline.
Rather wakadoodle! The 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls will happen as described. It is Gods Plan, who are you to dispute and spiritualize it?
God displayed His wrath before, when the Israelites departed from Egypt and with Noah's Flood.
In case you missed the obvious the entirety of Revelation transpires in the Spiritual arena.

The Kingdom of God is where? Where? You can't see it can you? Perceive much?

Obviously you continually hinge your Revelation pony to an external only wagon but as noted numerous times there is an unseen world with unseen occupants, our very REAL enemies. Our present BLOCKADE that your claims have essentially ZERO accounting for.

Open your eyes and I don't mean that literally

Bible students are engaged with the unseen matters

The flesh counts for NADA
 
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the entirety of Revelation transpires in the Spiritual arena.
A totally ridiculous idea,
Is the Seal of God upon the foreheads of His servants;, Rev 7:3b, or the 'mark of the beast', Rev 13:16; just spiritual?

The physical universe does not pass away until after the final Judgment; Revelation 20:11-15 - THEN Rev 21 and Eternity comes.
 
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A totally ridiculous idea,
Revelation 1:10

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Trumpets don't talk iirc
Is the Seal of God upon the foreheads of His servants;, Rev 7:3b, or the 'mark of the beast', Rev 13:16; just spiritual?
Totally.

You know the blinded Jews of the O.T. used to bind the words of God to their forehead and or hands on phalacteries.

Their literal sights didn't do them much good. They were still blind to the unseen, 2 Cor. 3:14

Mark 4:15 is a very real, but unseen phenomena, rampant in the churches

Revelation 2:13
I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is
The physical universe does not pass away until after the final Judgment; Revelation 20:11-15 - THEN Rev 21 and Eternity comes.
I wouldn't give much credence to anyone who hasn't factored in our adversaries into their end time pictures and fixates on physical matters.

And there is a very real spiritual reason you do not and can not factor in the adversaries into your end time sights. Totally obvious to me, yet unseen yet rejected by you. Are you seriously going to claim there is no adversary and his own in these end time narratives? HA!

It's territory that's apparently totally blocked out in your own mind and replaced with the physical fantasy of some small victory sect of people, of which you are presumably a member.

Oh well, the Word is a deep dive subject. God spoke through SIMILITUDES precisely because He conveys the unseen matters.

Few listen. But it will be loud enough for every person to hear as we approach the landing area. Rev. 1:7
 
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I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Trumpets don't talk iirc
It will be God speaking.
The 'mark of the beast' has to be literal. Maybe an electronic chip, as many speculate.
Gods mark on those 144,000 witnesses, Isaiah 66:19, will also be visible.
I wouldn't give much credence to anyone who hasn't factored in our adversaries into their end time pictures and fixates on physical matters.

And there is a very real spiritual reason you do not and can not factor in the adversaries into your end time sights. Totally obvious to me, yet unseen yet rejected by you. Are you seriously going to claim there is no adversary and his own in these end time narratives? HA!

It's territory that's apparently totally blocked out in your own mind and replaced with the physical fantasy of some small victory sect of people, of which you are presumably a member.
You make false accusations and talk complete garbage.
 
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It will be God speaking.

The 'mark of the beast' has to be literal. Maybe an electronic chip, as many speculate.
Gods mark on those 144,000 witnesses, Isaiah 66:19, will also be visible.

You make false accusations and talk complete garbage.
By pointing out massive voids in your positional depictions?

Unlikely conclusions (again)
 
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By pointing out massive voids in your positional depictions?
Here is what 100 + Prophesies tell us: When Iran attempts to fire a nuke missile to Israel, the Lord will cause the sun to explode out a powerful Electro-magnetic pulse, which will make it explode on the launch pad.
The explosion on the suns surface will eject a multi billion ton mass of superheated Hydrogen plasma, that will strike the earth at mid day Middle East time, virtually depopulating that entire area and severely affecting the whole world. It will be the Prophesied Sixth Seal event and then all the rest of Revelation will take place'
Are people ready for it?
 
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He who is not with Me, is against Me….. Matthew 12:30

But, all the nations and people groups currently occupying the Holy Land, are not with Jesus. Only a very small percentage of individual Christian people are there. Isaiah 29:1-4 describes how a small Jewish Christian group will survive.
The Jewish State of Israel continues in its rejection of Jesus and all the Muslim entities worship Allah, the satanic moon god, represented by the crescent symbol.

Matthew 12:26 If it is Satan who fights Satan, he is divided against himself - how can his kingdom stand?

Todays kind of situation is nothing new; the Sunni sect of Islam hates the Shi-ite sect and even Christian peoples fight each other. The original example is when the Northern ten tribes of the House of Israel opposed the Jewish House of Judah; Israel is in rebellion against Judah unto this day. 1 Kings 12:19

God is in control and He allowed the Jewish State of Israel to be established by a group of Zionist atheists under communistic principles. Most do not acknowledge their Creator God and they arrogantly rely on their own strength. The criteria for citizenship is not ethnicity, but mainly the practice of Judaism.

The reason God has tolerated their existence is that the Jews are the symbolic face of ancient Israel, while God, thru the Holy Spirit, works with the real Israelites of God - those grafted into the olive tree, Jew and Gentile. It is the faithful Christian peoples who display the fruit of the Spirit. Galatians 5:22-25, Matthew 21:43

Many Bible Prophesies say that the Lord will clear and cleanse the Holy Land and will then gather His peoples to live there. It is our destiny and great privilege to be alive at this pivotal point in human history.
Be ready to stand firm in your faith and trust the Lord, as we pass through all that must take place until the glorious Return of Jesus as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.



The Apostle Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin but was also a Roman citizen and also and most importantly so, a child of the living God.

Paul wept over the list of Israel and so did Jesus, our Lord and Savior.

We preach, we pray and we warn all the children of man but we don't see men along racial lines.

There's two groups in the world, the children of God and everyone else, the saved and the unsaved.

The children of God have the responsibility of stewardship and of charity, and they do this weeping over the lost of Israel praying that they quickly be brought into the fold and are lost no more.

As they can come from any tribe or tongue our job isn't to snub our noses and condemn them before the time.

In stewardship ethnic Israel is our responsibility second only to the saved children of God. We do not despise them because they are ethnically the people of our God.

I consider them cousins, and it's a good comparison to make. While our first charge is one another in Christ, our second is to our family, and not all of them are saved.
 
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When Iran
Typical miss fire again keras

The DEVILs are involved in this present wicked age in every sin.

Now who really fires the missiles?

Unseen hands doing the dirty work
 
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Now who really fires the missiles?
I know who makes them and fits nuke warheads on them.
And we are told who is going to destroy the Iranian leadership when they attempt to fire them. Psalms 7:12-16, Jeremiah 49:35-37

You do the: 'Oar Knot', but not the: 'Believe it'.
 
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