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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

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Why are you incapable of answering the question? You can't call someone a drug smuggler if they haven't been convicted of it. Your little so-called article doesn't change that fact.

For example, I can call Trump a fraud and a rapist, because he's been convicted of those crimes.


Foreign cartels (known for smuggling drugs, weapons, human and sex trafficking) are killing American citizens and attacking our national guard and ICE agents in the United States.

This is being coordinated by foreign adversaries located in South America known as cartels.

It changed the game. They changed the rules, they changed what they were (simple criminals not hurting anyone) to foreign terrorists at war with the United States.

This is my opinion.
 
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Given that the USA let the Ecuador citizen go back home, there must be a lack of intel on who is in the boats? If he were a narco-terrorist why let him go?
We don't know the internal discussions in regard to the two so all we can do is guess. To me it seems quite consistent with the effort to deport as many terrorists as possible. It's also a test to see what countries are willing to fight terrorism, of the two Columbia said they will prosecute and Ecuador said they will not. Finally, the current situation, where leaders in some states are defying our Constitution, might force Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, and this is not the best time to dedicate resources toward internally handling terrorists.
 
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I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I doubt that people are blaming the military for following orders. How, though, can anyone give orders to blow up a boat without first seizing it and finding out who and what is aboard?
We know what is on board those boats due to intelligence gathering.
 

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We don't know the internal discussions in regard to the two so all we can do is guess. To me it seems quite consistent with the effort to deport as many terrorists as possible. It's also a test to see what countries are willing to fight terrorism, of the two Columbia said they will prosecute and Ecuador said they will not. Finally, the current situation, where leaders in some states are defying our Constitution, might force Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, and this is not the best time to dedicate resources toward internally handling terrorists.
Ecuador said there is no evidence of a crime so they declined to charge him. He never tried to enter the USA that I know of, so it was not about deportation. The USA released him because I guess he really was either not a "Narco-terrorist" or they had no proof or no jurisdiction in the case. You are right about the internals. There is a democrat Senator on record that says the evidence is not really there to blow up the boats. I know there are lawyers and experts watching this though.
 
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Given that the USA let the Ecuador citizen go back home, there must be a lack of intel on who is in the boats? If he were a narco-terrorist why let him go?

We don't know the internal discussions in regard to the two so all we can do is guess. To me it seems quite consistent with the effort to deport as many terrorists as possible. It's also a test to see what countries are willing to fight terrorism, of the two Columbia said they will prosecute and Ecuador said they will not. Finally, the current situation, where leaders in some states are defying our Constitution, might force Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, and this is not the best time to dedicate resources toward internally handling terrorists.

Ecuador said there is no evidence of a crime so they declined to charge him. He never tried to enter the USA that I know of, so it was not about deportation. The USA released him because I guess he really was either not a "Narco-terrorist" or they had no proof or no jurisdiction in the case. You are right about the internals. There is a democrat Senator on record that says the evidence is not really there to blow up the boats. I know there are lawyers and experts watching this though.
See post 94. I provided a short 1:19 video where Hegseth answers the question.
 
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Ecuador said there is no evidence of a crime so they declined to charge him. He never tried to enter the USA that I know of, so it was not about deportation. The USA released him because I guess he really was either not a "Narco-terrorist" or they had no proof or no jurisdiction in the case. You are right about the internals. There is a democrat Senator on record that says the evidence is not really there to blow up the boats. I know there are lawyers and experts watching this though.
I doubt if the administration has already shared classified information with the Democrat senator. Columbia is going to prosecute.
 
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Not necessarily. These trug cartels have been designated as terrorist organizations. Because we are technically fighting a global war on terrorism, these drug traffickers are legally enemy combatants. No different than US troops engaging the enemy on a battlefield. Would you expect Ukranians to capture a Russian convoy bringing ammunition to the front line and give them a trial, or would you expect them to send an artillery? I understand there has been a lot of political spin, but as long as enemy targets have been confirmed and are not on US soil, the president has the authority to use lethal force.
Thanks for explaining (I'm not in the USA). When you put it like that, it changes the picture. However there must be some other way to stop the traffickers.
 
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We know what is on board those boats due to intelligence gathering.

@Bradskii asked me for this discussion in another thread so I researched the legal justification and reasoning and put this together, you might enjoy it too.

Legal and Constitutional Grounds for Trump’s 2025 Cartel Designations and Counter-Narcotics Operations

The 2025 designations of the Sinaloa Cartel, CJNG, and related organizations as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) and Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs) marked a bold escalation in addressing the fentanyl crisis, leveraging executive tools to disrupt transnational threats. These steps, while innovative in application, align with longstanding statutory authorities and reflect a pragmatic response to a public health emergency claiming over 80,000 American lives annually.
  1. Cartels Align with Statutory Criteria for Terrorist Designations
    Under Section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. § 1189), FTO designations require a foreign organization, engagement in terrorist activity (as defined in INA § 212(a)(3)(B), including acts of violence to intimidate populations or influence governments), and a threat to U.S. nationals or security.
While cartels are primarily profit-driven, their use of extreme violence—such as assassinations and mass killings—to control territories and deter law enforcement qualifies under the broad statutory language, even if not ideologically motivated. This approach builds on historical designations of groups with mixed criminal and insurgent traits, enhancing tools like material support prohibitions (18 U.S.C. § 2339B) to target cartel enablers.

  1. Executive Order 13224 and IEEPA Enable Complementary Sanctions
    Executive Order 13224 (2001) and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. § 1701 et seq.) authorize the President to declare emergencies and sanction terrorism-related entities via the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). President Trump's January 20, 2025, Executive Order 14157 directed these designations, building on existing frameworks to freeze assets and isolate cartel finances.
Though cartels were already targetable as transnational criminal organizations under EO 13581 (2011), the FTO/SDGT labels provide additional leverage for international cooperation and prosecutions, without creating entirely new powers.

Presidential Authority Under Article II and Statutory Delegations

Article II vests the President with core powers in foreign affairs and national defense. Trump's executive order instructed the Secretary of State to proceed under delegated authority from Congress via the INA and IEEPA, placing these actions in the strongest category of executive power per Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer (1952). This mirrors uses by prior administrations to address hybrid threats.

Judicial Precedents Affirm Executive Deference in Designations
Courts grant substantial deference to executive judgments on national security threats:

People’s Mojahedin Organization of Iran v. U.S. Dep’t of State (1999) upheld broad discretion in threat assessments.
Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project (2010) validated material support laws against violent groups.
Islamic American Relief Agency v. Gonzales (2007) endorsed minimal due process for SDGTs in emergencies.

These cases support applying designations to cartels where violence meets statutory thresholds, with review limited to procedural compliance.
  1. Legal Framework for Enhanced Interdictions and Operations
    The Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act (46 U.S.C. § 70501 et seq.) provides jurisdiction over stateless or flagged vessels (with consent) involved in drug trafficking on the high seas. FTO/SDGT status bolsters these efforts by integrating counterterrorism resources, such as intelligence sharing and support under 18 U.S.C. § 2339B.
The administration's 2025 operations, including targeted strikes on vessels, were justified by a classified DOJ opinion as defensive measures against imminent threats, consistent with Article II authority to protect citizens. Congressional notification under the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. § 1541 et seq.) was provided, and operations emphasized law enforcement primacy with military assistance limited to support roles under 10 U.S.C. § 124.

International Law Considerations and Defensive Measures

Article 51 of the U.N. Charter preserves the right to self-defense against threats from non-state actors, particularly when host states like Mexico or Venezuela are challenged in controlling them. The administration framed fentanyl trafficking as a severe threat warranting proportionate responses, drawing on the "unwilling or unable" doctrine from post-9/11 precedents. Operations focused on high-seas interdictions complied with the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, prioritizing disruption over escalation.

Addressing Counterarguments

Critics argue cartels lack traditional terrorist ideology or that operations risk overreach. However, statutes focus on violent intent, not motive, allowing flexibility. Proportionality in 2025 actions—limited to trafficking vessels—aligns with precedents like United States v. Nueci-Pena (2013) and United States v. Bellaizac-Hurtado (2012), which affirm high-seas jurisdiction for drug enforcement. While debates on self-defense persist, the administration's legal opinions provide a defensible basis amid the fentanyl emergency.

Conclusion

President Trump’s 2025 actions represent a constitutionally grounded and strategically vital adaptation of counterterrorism tools to combat cartel-driven fentanyl flows. By enhancing designations and operations within existing laws, the administration strengthened U.S. security without undue expansion, addressing a crisis that demands decisive leadership.
 
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Not true.

I have yet to see a legal opinion, indepdenent from the adminstration, supporting the administrations use of the military to kill suspected drug runners. Have you?

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These trug cartels have been designated as terrorist organizations. Because we are technically fighting a global war on terrorism, these drug traffickers are legally enemy combatants.

The United States is not, nor has ever been, in armed conflict with a cartel, much less any country where cartels operate. Therefore, drug traffickers cannot possibly be "enemy combatants."

I challenge anyone here to present a legal opinion to the contrary.
 
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We know what is on board those boats due to intelligence gathering.

If the FBI knows the cartel has drug operations inside a home, can they now order the military to blow it up without first attempting to arrest those inside?
 
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1. Cartels Fit the Statutory Definition of Terrorist Organizations

Under Section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. § 1189), three criteria govern FTO designations:

  1. The group must be foreign-based.
  2. It must engage in terrorist activity, defined in INA § 212(a)(3)(B) as violent acts intended to intimidate or coerce a population or influence a government.
  3. Its actions must threaten U.S. nationals or national security.
Mexican cartels clearly meet these conditions. Their organized campaigns of assassination, mass violence, and territorial control have destabilized the region, while fentanyl flooding the U.S. kills roughly 80,000 Americans annually. These are not ordinary criminal enterprises but transnational entities waging sustained campaigns of terror to secure political and economic control. In legal terms, they “engage in terrorist activity” as the statute defines it.



Cartels do not meet points 2 & 3.

2. Name one event when a cartel attempted to "intimidate or coerce an [American] population or influence the [U.S.] government?
3. How are cartel actions threatenting US national security?
 
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I challenge anyone here to present a legal opinion to the contrary.

#1 President Trump says so.

#2 US Supreme Court decided Trump is the Law.
 
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Cartels do not meet points 2 & 3.

2. Name one event when a cartel attempted to "intimidate or coerce an [American] population or influence the [U.S.] government?
3. How are cartel actions threatenting US national security?

That’s a fair question—but let’s not pretend there’s a shortage of examples.

When I say cartels use terrorism tactics to intimidate or coerce, that’s not rhetorical flourish—it’s fact. Take Culiacán, 2019, when the Sinaloa Cartel unleashed a full-scale urban assault after Mexican forces captured Ovidio Guzmán López, son of El Chapo. They didn’t just resist arrest—they turned a major city into a war zone, blocking roads, burning vehicles, and terrorizing civilians until the government surrendered and released him. The message wasn’t only for Mexico. It was for Washington too: interfere with us, extradite us, or touch our leadership—and we’ll bring chaos to your doorstep.

Or, go back furherto 2010, when Los Zetas ambushed and killed U.S. ICE agent Jaime Zapata. That was a targeted execution of a U.S. federal officer. If deliberately killing American agents to discourage enforcement isn’t “intimidating a government,” I’m not sure what is.

So yes—cartels have both the intent and the capacity to intimidate governments and populations. Their violence isn’t random; it’s strategic. It’s designed to shape political behavior and force law enforcement retreats. That meets the statutory definition of terrorism in black and white.

Now as for national security: fentanyl alone settles that question. Over 80,000 Americans die every year from cartel-supplied synthetic opioids. That’s not a “law enforcement issue”—that’s a mass-casualty event repeated annually. No foreign power in modern history has killed more Americans on U.S. soil than the Sinaloa and CJNG cartels have through their chemical warfare. And make no mistake: it is warfare—intentional, systematic, and profit-driven.

But it goes deeper. These cartels aren’t isolated gangs—they’re transnational actors with armed wings, drones, heavy weaponry, and cross-border infiltration networks. They fire across into U.S. territory, they recruit U.S.-based gangs, and they launder billions through shell companies that reach into our financial system. And the alliances they’ve formed—with entities in China, Russia, and Venezuela—move this from criminal activity into geopolitical destabilization. That’s why agencies from the DEA to the Treasury Department classify it as an “unusual and extraordinary threat” under IEEPA.

So, to answer directly
Cartels have attempted to intimidate and coerce governments—including ours.

And they do threaten U.S. national security—measurably, lethally, and daily.

That’s precisely why the FTO and SDGT designations aren’t some political stunt—they’re an overdue acknowledgment of the reality we’re facing.
 
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I have yet to see a legal opinion, indepdenent from the adminstration, supporting the administrations use of the military to kill suspected drug runners.
That is a huge backtrack from "No one familiar with the laws of war accepts that interpretation."

You can simply just admit that what you said was not true.
 
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Ecuador said there is no evidence of a crime so they declined to charge him. He never tried to enter the USA that I know of, so it was not about deportation. The USA released him because I guess he really was either not a "Narco-terrorist" or they had no proof or no jurisdiction in the case. You are right about the internals. There is a democrat Senator on record that says the evidence is not really there to blow up the boats. I know there are lawyers and experts watching this though.


Pete Hegseth was asked quite a similar question at the immigration roundtable recently held. I transcribed from the interview:

Reporter. Question: Some alleged smugglers have survived [time stamp 1:20:14] some of these recent strikes and been sent back to their home countries. If they are terrorists why not just arrest and detain them?

Pete Hegseth responding: "Two points on that. First, when I served in Iraq in 2005 and 2006 instead of a gallows humor way, we would talk about the Iraqi catch and release program.The reality was that we would catch a lot of people and then hand them over and then they would be recycled back through and we would have to recapture or attack them again.and that's why changing the dynamic and taking kinetic strikes on these boats ought change the psychology of these foreign terrorist organizations.

To those two that survived the shot on the semi submersible, think again compared to Iraq and Afghanistan; the people we captured on the battlefield we always tried to turn over to the home country. How it shaked out was sometimes we did and sometimes we didn't but a percent would go to the Afghan authorities or the Iraqi authorities so in this case those two they were treated by medics and handed immediately over to their countries where they came from, hopefully they will face prosecution which is a standard way of handling something like this.' [time stamp end of answer 1:21;16]

 
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I have yet to see a legal opinion, indepdenent from the adminstration, supporting the administrations use of the military to kill suspected drug runners. Have you?

You wrote:
These trug cartels have been designated as terrorist organizations. Because we are technically fighting a global war on terrorism, these drug traffickers are legally enemy combatants.

The United States is not, nor has ever been, in armed conflict with a cartel, much less any country where cartels operate. Therefore, drug traffickers cannot possibly be "enemy combatants."

I challenge anyone here to present a legal opinion to the contra

I have yet to see a legal opinion, indepdenent from the adminstration, supporting the administrations use of the military to kill suspected drug runners. Have you?

You wrote:
These trug cartels have been designated as terrorist organizations. Because we are technically fighting a global war on terrorism, these drug traffickers are legally enemy combatants.

The United States is not, nor has ever been, in armed conflict with a cartel, much less any country where cartels operate. Therefore, drug traffickers cannot possibly be "enemy combatants."

I challenge anyone here to present a legal opinion to the contrary.
Armed Conflict? Trump’s Venezuela Boat Strikes Test U.S. Law Here is a balanced synopsis. More legal arguments can be found at Why U.S. Strikes Against Drug Boats Matter
I just wrote a blog article that addresses some concerns that I posted in CF too.
 
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If the FBI knows the cartel has drug operations inside a home, can they now order the military to blow it up without first attempting to arrest those inside?
The FBI ain't ordering the military to do anything. You know that.
 
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