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Elon Musk confirms he made offer to return astronauts to Biden administration

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How sad for those astronauts.
 
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So how much was Musk going to charge NASA for bringing the astronauts home sooner? That is, if this was even true; seems odd that he'd only speak out about it now, and not be telling this to the American people back when the Biden administration turned him down.

I suspect the "political considerations" had to do with not being able to pay for an extra flight out of NASA's budget. Isn't Elon supposed to be wanting to save the government money?
 
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Elon is full of it. If SpaceX could’ve brought them home in “a couple months at most,” why did they have so much trouble getting Crew 10 in the air with several months extra?

NASA chose this path for budgetary and staffing reasons. The Crew 9 capsule that they took home had been up there since September. Sending an extra capsule up there would’ve required an extra launch mission, which isn’t something you can just pull off quickly or cheaply. They decided to swap them in for the next crew because that was the easiest and cheapest way to keep the station continuously manned.
 
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So how much was Musk going to charge NASA for bringing the astronauts home sooner? That is, if this was even true; seems odd that he'd only speak out about it now, and not be telling this to the American people back when the Biden administration turned him down.

I suspect the "political considerations" had to do with not being able to pay for an extra flight out of NASA's budget. Isn't Elon supposed to be wanting to save the government money?
He did bring it up, although the left was not going to give the offer much publicity:

It was likely nixed by the Biden people because they were talking about bringing back a Russian astronaut and Musk was supporting Trump. It would have actually been good to break the ice with Russia in order to try and negotiate peace.
 
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Elon Musk.. is that the same guy who's rockets keep exploding?

Anyone remember how Musk offered to send a submarine over to Thayland to rescue some boys trapped in a cave, and when he was refused out of practical reasons, he called one of the rescuers a "pedo"? Aaah, fun times. Now he just axes them.
 
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It's something else hearing and reading all the cynicism and hatred being spewed regarding a rescue mission that saved the lives of stranded astronauts. This might top all the cynicism and scowling directed at a kid with cancer. Just can't keep from digging that pit deeper and deeper.
 
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He did bring it up, although the left was not going to give the offer much publicity:

It was likely nixed by the Biden people because they were talking about bringing back a Russian astronaut and Musk was supporting Trump. It would have actually been good to break the ice with Russia in order to try and negotiate peace.

All that is talked about there is moving the mission that was completed today forward by a few months. The issue with that is that the other astronauts who returned to day, including the Russian, were scheduled to at the ISS until this month, which is why the didn't come back sooner. It is also worth noting that their return mission was actually delayed by SpaceX, due to issues with the mission to bring the Crew 10 astronauts to the ISS; not only was Musk not capable of bringing them home earlier, like he told Trump he'd do, it was delayed.

Again, for the two astronauts to come how sooner, there would have had to be an additional launch to the ISS, to replace the capsule brought back by the two astronauts. But Musk doesn't mention that part or who would have paid for that additional launch; I highly suspect he wanted the US government to pay for the extra mission -- money that wasn't in the NASA budget.

Two last things. First, the article in the OP has been updated to include comments from a press conference today and quote Astronaut Whitmore as saying that he believes Musk, that Musk did offer to bring them home sooner and the article gives the impression that Whitmore believed it was about politics. However, Whitmore said just the opposite, "From my standpoint, politics is not playing into this at all."

Which brings up my next issue with the article, the idea that somehow having them return later was uncalled for and a risk to the astronauts lives. But to go back to the political comment, the full quote by Whitmore is, "From my standpoint, politics is not playing into this at all. We came up prepared to stay long, even though we planned to stay short. That's what we do in human space flight. That's what your nation's human space flight program is all about, planning for unknown, unexpected contingencies. And we did that."

This idea that this was some type of "criminal action" to not bring the astronauts home sooner is simply a lie. The fact is, this was always the contingency plan, both Astronauts Whitmore and Williams knew this was what would happen even before they went, if there was an issue with the Starliner (and, given Starliner's history, they probably expected this result).

It's something else hearing and reading all the cynicism and hatred being spewed regarding a rescue mission that saved the lives of stranded astronauts. This might top all the cynicism and scowling directed at a kid with cancer. Just can't keep from digging that pit deeper and deeper.

And, as I just showed above, there was no "rescue mission." The plan was always that they would return to Earth with the Crew 9 astronauts, when Crew 9 was being replaced by Crew 10, as Whitmore confirmed. That Musk, now months later, says he could have got them sooner but gives no details doesn't change the facts. Again, was he expecting Crew 9 to come back 6 months early -- not fair to them or to the Crew 10 astronauts. Or did Musk plan on sending an entirely new mission up just for the two astronauts -- and if Biden had approved that, what would you have stated about spending 100 million to 150 million (the cost of a single SpaceX Crew Dragon flight to the ISS) to bring two astronauts back six months sooner?

Again, there was no "rescue," instead, the mission plans were followed. They went up on Starliner and, due to issues, they could not return. As such, the mission plan was that they'd stay roughly 9 months on the ISS until the next "crew change" and go back to Earth with the returning ISS crew. As the above quote shows, that was the plan, they knew it before they went up, and it wasn't an issue for them.
 
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And, as I just showed above, there was no "rescue mission." The plan was always that they would return to Earth with the Crew 9 astronauts, when Crew 9 was being replaced by Crew 10, as Whitmore confirmed. That Musk, now months later, says he could have got them sooner but gives no details doesn't change the facts. Again, was he expecting Crew 9 to come back 6 months early -- not fair to them or to the Crew 10 astronauts. Or did Musk plan on sending an entirely new mission up just for the two astronauts -- and if Biden had approved that, what would you have stated about spending 100 million to 150 million (the cost of a single SpaceX Crew Dragon flight to the ISS) to bring two astronauts back six months sooner?

Again, there was no "rescue," instead, the mission plans were followed. They went up on Starliner and, due to issues, they could not return. As such, the mission plan was that they'd stay roughly 9 months on the ISS until the next "crew change" and go back to Earth with the returning ISS crew. As the above quote shows, that was the plan, they knew it before they went up, and it wasn't an issue for them.
Can't wait for Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore to confirm that when they're interviewed.
 
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It's something else hearing and reading all the cynicism and hatred being spewed regarding a rescue mission that saved the lives of stranded astronauts. This might top all the cynicism and scowling directed at a kid with cancer. Just can't keep from digging that pit deeper and deeper.
The only ones being cynical here are Musk and his acolytes who blindly swallow his nonsense. NASA’s reasonings have all been publicly reported on. I have personally confirmed that rationale with a person who’s been working on ISS for over a decade. The decisions were made at the project/agency level and were all related to budget and logistics. Because they have to keep the station fully manned, and it was cheaper and easier to simply let these two take the place of the next scheduled crew rather than put together an extra mission to get them. If you guys want “efficient” government like what DOGE claims to be seeking, this is it.

The claims that this was political because Biden didn’t want to give credit to Musk or the Russians doesn’t hold water because it would’ve always been Musk or the Russians who would’ve gotten them home, since they’re the only ones who make crew capsules that can service ISS. We’ve been relying on them since the shuttle program ended. The Starliner that stranded them up there was that vehicle’s first manned test flight.
 
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Elon Musk.. is that the same guy who's rockets keep exploding?

Anyone remember how Musk offered to send a submarine over to Thayland to rescue some boys trapped in a cave, and when he was refused out of practical reasons, he called one of the rescuers a "pedo"? Aaah, fun times. Now he just axes them.

I remember that. Musk was just being one of those unhelpful, narcissistic idiots that thinks he's so important he has to chime in, and he got angry when he said his help wasn't needed. Really crass, and a sign of things to come, looking back.

The Thai divers were real heroes, not fake ones like we have now days in the US, where we look up to bullies and thugs. It was such a tight space in the cave one of the divers died in the rescue attempt (Lt. Commander Saman Gunan). No way to get a submarine in there. And the Thai people themselves handled the whole thing with alot of grace and compassion (families of the children actually wrote letters of consolation and gratitude to the football coach after the incident), whereas if that kind of thing had happened in the US, Americans would have been eating each other alive, looking for somebody to blame.
 
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How sad for those astronauts.
I'm going to rely on AI to give factual information in this case. No conspiracy here. Space X Dragon Crew 10 was a regular scheduled mission. This is the crew that delivered new astronauts and picked up the two who were stranded. Nasa is contracted with both Boeing and Space X for its commercial transport. No malicious political motivations involved here at all. Let us reason!

The decision to have the astronauts return on a later, scheduled SpaceX Crew Dragon mission, rather than initiating an immediate "rescue" mission, was based on several factors, primarily prioritizing safety and logistical efficiency. Here's a breakdown:

  • Scheduled Missions and Logistics:
    • Space missions are highly complex and involve extensive planning and preparation.
    • SpaceX has a schedule of Crew Dragon missions to the ISS, and these missions are carefully coordinated.
    • Launching an unscheduled rescue mission would disrupt these schedules and potentially create other logistical challenges.
  • Safety Considerations:
    • While the Starliner encountered issues, the ISS itself remained a safe environment for the astronauts.
    • NASA and SpaceX assessed the situation and determined that the safest course of action was to utilize a planned Crew Dragon mission.
    • Launching a rapid rescue mission carries its own set of risks, and it was deemed safer to proceed with a carefully planned return.
  • Resource Allocation:
    • Maintaining a Crew Dragon spacecraft on standby for immediate rescue would be costly and inefficient.
    • NASA's approach is to utilize the existing Commercial Crew Program infrastructure and schedule to ensure efficient and safe transportation.
  • The chosen option:
    • The choice to have the astronauts return on the crew 9 mission, was the least disruptive option, to the ongoing ISS missions.
In essence, NASA and its partners prioritized a safe, well-planned return over a potentially risky, rushed rescue.
 
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All that is talked about there is moving the mission that was completed today forward by a few months. The issue with that is that the other astronauts who returned to day, including the Russian, were scheduled to at the ISS until this month, which is why the didn't come back sooner. It is also worth noting that their return mission was actually delayed by SpaceX, due to issues with the mission to bring the Crew 10 astronauts to the ISS; not only was Musk not capable of bringing them home earlier, like he told Trump he'd do, it was delayed.

Again, for the two astronauts to come how sooner, there would have had to be an additional launch to the ISS, to replace the capsule brought back by the two astronauts. But Musk doesn't mention that part or who would have paid for that additional launch; I highly suspect he wanted the US government to pay for the extra mission -- money that wasn't in the NASA budget.

Two last things. First, the article in the OP has been updated to include comments from a press conference today and quote Astronaut Whitmore as saying that he believes Musk, that Musk did offer to bring them home sooner and the article gives the impression that Whitmore believed it was about politics. However, Whitmore said just the opposite, "From my standpoint, politics is not playing into this at all."

Which brings up my next issue with the article, the idea that somehow having them return later was uncalled for and a risk to the astronauts lives. But to go back to the political comment, the full quote by Whitmore is, "From my standpoint, politics is not playing into this at all. We came up prepared to stay long, even though we planned to stay short. That's what we do in human space flight. That's what your nation's human space flight program is all about, planning for unknown, unexpected contingencies. And we did that."

This idea that this was some type of "criminal action" to not bring the astronauts home sooner is simply a lie. The fact is, this was always the contingency plan, both Astronauts Whitmore and Williams knew this was what would happen even before they went, if there was an issue with the Starliner (and, given Starliner's history, they probably expected this result).



And, as I just showed above, there was no "rescue mission." The plan was always that they would return to Earth with the Crew 9 astronauts, when Crew 9 was being replaced by Crew 10, as Whitmore confirmed. That Musk, now months later, says he could have got them sooner but gives no details doesn't change the facts. Again, was he expecting Crew 9 to come back 6 months early -- not fair to them or to the Crew 10 astronauts. Or did Musk plan on sending an entirely new mission up just for the two astronauts -- and if Biden had approved that, what would you have stated about spending 100 million to 150 million (the cost of a single SpaceX Crew Dragon flight to the ISS) to bring two astronauts back six months sooner?

Again, there was no "rescue," instead, the mission plans were followed. They went up on Starliner and, due to issues, they could not return. As such, the mission plan was that they'd stay roughly 9 months on the ISS until the next "crew change" and go back to Earth with the returning ISS crew. As the above quote shows, that was the plan, they knew it before they went up, and it wasn't an issue for them.
Simply Me, your reply is simply authoritative.
You countered every allegation beautifully and comprehensively.
Quite simply, it is the last word on the subject.
 
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How sad for those astronauts.
Maybe you should change the Threat title to

“After reviewing all the facts regarding SpaceX's reliability, the Biden administration made the right decision in declining Musk's offer.”
 
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Maybe you should change the Threat title to

“After reviewing all the facts regarding SpaceX's reliability, the Biden administration made the right decision in declining Musk's offer.”
This is an old thread I necro'd because, at the time, a lot of folks were uncritically lapping up Musk's claims of SpaceX being a savior.
 
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