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The Lost House of Israel

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But there is more than a suggestion Jesus was a stranger to those He chose as His disciples. If He was well known, or even if not, how could Jesus, a tradesman carpenter, suddenly ask men of a similar age; acquaintances or even friends, to drop what they did for a living and follow Him?

The weight of evidence from every angle, leans toward the Holy Family being safely away from the Holy Land, until Jesus attained the age of 30, when a Levite priest can be ordained.
Thinking He spent years in Nazareth, making furniture, is somewhat ludicrous. John the Baptizer said; There is one coming who is mightier than me.....

Regarding the lost House of Israel, the Prophecy in Ezekiel 4:4-6, is very telling.
It states how the two entities; - Israel and Judah, were to be punished by a decreed time of exile out of the Holy Land. Israel 390 years and Judah 40 years. There is a valid explanation for those time periods and how they were increased, for now my point is:- for each House, there is set time of exile, then they will return.
Judah has, but not as Gods faithful people yet. Israel remains scattered among the nations.
But the disciples did not come from Nazareth, did they? Jesus would have been a stranger to them.
 
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But there is more than a suggestion Jesus was a stranger to those He chose as His disciples. If He was well known, or even if not, how could Jesus, a tradesman carpenter, suddenly ask men of a similar age; acquaintances or even friends, to drop what they did for a living and follow Him?
In John's Gospel Andrew, one of the 12, had been a disciple of John the Baptist. He started to follow Jesus when he heard John saying that Jesus was the Lamb of God, and then went to get his brother, Simon.
It's likely that people had seen Jesus around and, no doubt, had heard the stories surrounding his birth.

The weight of evidence from every angle, leans toward the Holy Family being safely away from the Holy Land, until Jesus attained the age of 30,
Does it?
Jesus was presented in the temple when he was 8 days old - seen, and confirmed by Anna and Simeon.
Luke 2:41 says that Mary and Joseph went to the temple when Jesus was 12, according to the custom.
Matthew 2:19 says that after Herod died, Joseph had a dream in which he was told to return to Israel. Matthew 2:21 says that he took the child and his mother. He was warned in another dream about Archelaus so they went to live in Nazareth.
Thinking He spent years in Nazareth, making furniture, is somewhat ludicrous.
His earthly father was dead, his mother was widowed with, possibly, young children. Jesus was 100% human and was brought up as a Jew. He would have been head of the household at that point.
John the Baptizer said; There is one coming who is mightier than me.....
That does not contradict Jesus growing up in Nazareth and caring for his mother and siblings.
"Coming after me" does not say, or imply, that Jesus was about to re-enter the country.
 
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EXCERPTS FROM ‘MISSING LINKS DISCOVERED ‘
by E. Raymond Capt Printed 2006

The tribe of Dan leave Israel :-
A migration by sea is indicated when the King of Canaan afflicted Israel while Dan abode in ships and Asher in his seaports. Judges 5:17 Apparently most of the tribe of Dan must have left Israel prior to the time of Jeroboam 11, 1 Chronicles 5v 17-26, which would account for them not appearing in this genealogy.
One early Irish history links the Danaan or Tuatha de Danaan
(people of God) as coming to Ulster as sea warriors and later historians trace part of the tribe of Dan to Ireland as early as the 12th century B. C. This would have been after the Exodus.

But the Dan’s were not the first Hebrews into Ireland. Calcol of 1 Chronicles 2:6 and 1Kings 4v31, was the founder of the ancient Royal dynasty in Ulster. He and his brother Darda (the founder of Troy), both migrated from Egypt before the Exodus. They were sons of Zarah, one of the twin sons of Judah. Zarah means “to scatter” and the history of his descendants justifies the claim that he was named with prophetic intention.

Historical records tell of the westward migration of Calcol and his descendants along the shores of the Mediterranean Sea, establishing “Iberian” (Hebrew) trading settlements. One such was called Zarah-gossa – meaning the stronghold of Zarah, in the Ebro valley of Spain, now called Saragossa.
From Spain, they continued westward as far as Ireland, which they called Iberne, subsequently latinised to Hibernia, a name that still adheres to Ireland.
At Totnes on the river Dart, 12 miles inland from Torbay is an ancient stone that commemorates the arrival of the Israelite prince, Brutus to Britain. Welsh records state that they welcomed Brutus and his company as brethren and proclaimed him King. Brutus’s name heads the roll of all the genealogies of the British Kings.

Assyrian records :-
From the annals of King Tiglath-pileser 111 it is recorded that he captured the tribes of Reuben, Gad, Manasseh, Asher, Issachar, and Zebulun and distributed them on the borders of Assyria.
They built towns there and deportations by King Shalmaneser and King Sargon came later. The areas where the captive Israelites settled are now modern Aleppo and Kurdistan in Iran and Turkey.
The Assyrian king’s library was found in Nineveh in 1850. The clay tablets record the Hebrew conquest and resettlement, but most significantly, the Assyrian names for these people.

The Assyrian’s at this time used the term “House of Omri “for the Israelites, pronounced Beth Khumri. This evolved into “ Gimira “ and finally Cimmerians.
The name Ïskuza is also used in conjunction with Gimira in referring to the Israelites and Iskuza can easily be deduced from Issac as the Israelites called themselves the Beth Isaac.

It is accepted by modern historians that the Iskuza were called Sacae by the Greeks and Sakka by the Persians. Heroditas tells us that the Sacae were called in his time the Scythians.
The Behistun rock inscriptions, in modern Iran, are the records of the reign of King Darius. They are in 3 languages and the Israelites are referred to as Gimiri, Iskuza and Sakka respectively.

It can now be truly said archaeology has solved two great mysteries, both occurring at the same time in history- one, what happened to the thousands of Israelites that disappeared Into Assyrian captivity and two, where did the thousands of Sythians and Cimmerians come from?
Historical accounts agree that the Cimmerians were in the areas south and west of the Black sea until they, and the Scythians expanded further westward. One branch migrated into the Low Countries. The Romans called these people “Cimbri”.

After entering Europe, the greater part of the Cimmerians moved up the Danube, through Hungary and Austria, into southern Germany and France where they became known to the Greeks as Celts and the Romans as Gauls.
In the 4th century BC, when the Celtic tribes invaded northern Italy, archaeological evidence can be backed up by the observations of Greek and Latin writers. Many references speak of the Cimbri as Celtic or Gauls.

By the end of the 3rd century, the Celts and Gauls had spread out over Europe, as far as Brittany. A little later, about 280 BC, a group of Gauls came back to Asia Minor into what is now Turkey, and settled in the area known as Galatia in New Testament times. St Paul could easily converse with them as they were Israelites. As the Celts and Gauls expanded over Europe and into Britain, they created individual communities, speaking the language, Gaelic.

Ireland was called by the Celtic inhabitants – Hibernia – the land of the Hebrews in Gaelic. However ancient historians also use the name Scotia. This name is derived from Scota, a daughter of Pharaoh Nectanebo. It was her son, Eochaidh (Heremon) who married Tea Tephi (the tender twig) the daughter of King Zedekiah, the founders of the Irish and Scottish Royal dynasty.

The Scots, under King Fergus11 invaded what is now Scotland in 403 AD and eventually set up King Kenneth MacAlpin in 848 AD. The Saxons (Issac’s sons) came to Britain after the withdrawal of the Roman garrisons, between 450 to 600 AD.

At this time there were, in Norway and Sweden, the Viking peoples of Scythian origin. They came to the British Isles firstly for plunder, and then in 835 AD they settled in Dublin and later in other parts of Britian. Another group settled in Normandy (North mans land) and they conquered England in 1066 AD.
In considering the many conquests of Britian – Saxons, Vikings, and Normans, one might imagine that that the resulting population, including the Celtic peoples, would have produced a mongrel breed of several races, This is not the case as they are all descended from the same stock, namely Israelites.

LANGUAGE:
While Greek, Latin and other various words have contributed to the English language, over 75% of English words come from Hebrew words or their roots. In particular the Gaelic and Hebrew languages are very closely related.

HERALDRY:
A study of the heraldic emblems of Britain, Ireland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark the Netherlands and the United States of America, show that they are identical with those of ancient Israel. These were in use by our Celtic – Saxon ancestors.

It is remarkable that, with all the definite and positive assurances in the Bible as to Israel’s continuance for ever as a nation, Bible preachers and scholars have been content to let them either fade away or call the Church the New Israel.

There is, however an explanation – it is Gods will and purpose to hide them. While the Jews (of the House of Judah) occupied the stage and even called themselves Israel, God could work unhindered with and in “Lost Israel” until He has finished His predetermined work without them knowing their true identity.
The restoration of Israel is one of the grand objects which God will surely bring about for the enhancement of His glory, the fulfilment of which will give the final answer as to the apparent failure of that purpose for which He first created them.
There are 12 references to historical works which all support the fact of the Hebrew migrations throughout the ages.

King James of Scotland and England 1603-25 AD, claimed that the Lord had made him the King of Israel and his coins are inscribed “I will make of them one nation” Ezekiel 37:22.
 
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There is, however an explanation – it is Gods will and purpose to hide them. While the Jews (of the House of Judah) occupied the stage and even called themselves Israel, God could work unhindered with and in “Lost Israel” until He has finished His predetermined work without them knowing their true identity.
The restoration of Israel is one of the grand objects which God will surely bring about for the enhancement of His glory, the fulfilment of which will give the final answer as to the apparent failure of that purpose for which He first created them.
There are 12 references to historical works which all support the fact of the Hebrew migrations throughout the ages.
Regardless the spiritual bigger picture, at the end of the day you have the 10+ tribes of "israel" scattered across the world and at best 2% of them make any attempt to follow Jesus teachings.

So, does their dna matter at this point? Its quite mixed up by now.

Is God going to being back 144k pure blood descendents of the original 12 tribes by subtile influence of who marries who? And if so. What is the point? Is mankind going to do this themselves by gnome mapping? I bet the answer is yes the Jews will pay billions of dollars to make such a project happen.

I have about 50% denmark and norway in me and yes ive read a number of arguments that danmark is the mark of dan. A waring, seafaring tribe not mentioned in revelation.
 
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you have the 10+ tribes of "israel" scattered across the world and at best 2% of them make any attempt to follow Jesus teachings.
The 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel, are now the Western nations and their identity can be established by how each tribe has received the blessings as Prophesied by Jacob and Moses.
They are the Chrisian peoples, who generally abide by Gods Commandments and our presence in the world has been and still is, a calming and peaceful influence.
That we fight each other sometimes, is a sad reflection on us and shows hao successful Satan is - if allowed to be.

WE are the peoples that Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24, and we do display the proper fruit of the Spirit; Matthew 21:43
So, does their dna matter at this point? Its quite mixed up by now.
Since Jesus came, the entire New Testament teaches that DNA has no value, Salvation is entirely dependant on individual acceptance of Jesus and His Commandments.
 
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The 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel, are now the Western nations and their identity can be established by how each tribe has received the blessings as Prophesied by Jacob and Moses.
They are the Chrisian peoples, who generally abide by Gods Commandments and our presence in the world has been and still is, a calming and peaceful influence.
That we fight each other sometimes, is a sad reflection on us and shows hao successful Satan is - if allowed to be.

WE are the peoples that Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24, and we do display the proper fruit of the Spirit; Matthew 21:43

Since Jesus came, the entire New Testament teaches that DNA has no value, Salvation is entirely dependant on individual acceptance of Jesus and His Commandments.
I don't think you actually understand what you're saying here.

The 10 northern tribes displacing the local populations of those who were there before them.. you say those people are the people Jesus came to save. Which is fine, it is basically what Jesus told the samaritan woman himself. we can disagree on generalizations of where those tribes went, but, we know they are scattered around the world.

But you're missing the other half of the reality for that to be true: that there is the rest of the world who Jesus did not come to save, because they were never originally part of the 10 northern tribes. at least 20 to 50 million people living in the rest of the world at the time of moses, now billions, and genetically with few exceptions we are all quite mixed up by now.

so is the whole world now israel? of course not. the ishmalets became a great nation as God told hagar, now about 1 or 2 billion muslims in the world depending on how you count. they are deffinitly not israel.
 
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The 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel, are now the Western nations and their identity can be established by how each tribe has received the blessings as Prophesied by Jacob and Moses.
They are the Chrisian peoples, who generally abide by Gods Commandments and our presence in the world has been and still is, a calming and peaceful influence.
That we fight each other sometimes, is a sad reflection on us and shows hao successful Satan is - if allowed to be.

WE are the peoples that Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24, and we do display the proper fruit of the Spirit; Matthew 21:43

Since Jesus came, the entire New Testament teaches that DNA has no value, Salvation is entirely dependant on individual acceptance of Jesus and His Commandments.

Not being disrespectful here, but please consider what I am about to tell you. I think you are sincere in your beliefs, but you can be sincerely wrong. That's not say other refutations against you here are not wrong - most of them are. They are just as confused as you are.
The so-called "lost" northern tribes of Israel are often confused with the TRUE lost sheep of Israel. The true lost sheep are NOT you nor the Western nations. If you don't know who those people truly are, then you're just one of the unregenerate in this world who THINKS they're one of the lost sheep.

I'm not going to explain or reveal anything to you as this is not my calling - only God reveals and teaches. But what I will share is found in Luke 15:1-7, The parable of the lost sheep. If you really understand what this parable is saying, then you'll find out that your statement about the Western nations being the remnant of the lost tribes of Israel, to be untenable.

In Matthew 15:24, Jesus states, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Jesus also says that "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost" in Matthew 18:11, John also states that "He came unto his own, and his own received him not." It's important to understand that coming to someone is not the same as being to sent to someone. There is difference. Knowing this truth helps unlock the meaning of the parable of the lost sheep and who those sheep actually are. If you find what I'm saying to be dis-jointed and hard to follow, it is - to the carnal mind. If your are honest with yourself, I implore you to seek God out for the truth on this matter.

Also seriously consider what you said: "Since Jesus came, the entire New Testament teaches that DNA has no value, Salvation is entirely dependant on individual acceptance of Jesus and His Commandments." Western nations do have a purpose, but it's not to be the lost sheep of the house of Israel!

All the best in Christ.
 
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The so-called "lost" northern tribes of Israel are often confused with the TRUE lost sheep of Israel. The true lost sheep are NOT you nor the Western nations [...]

I'm not going to explain or reveal anything to you as this is not my calling - only God reveals and teaches. But what I will share is found in Luke 15:1-7, The parable of the lost sheep. If you really understand what this parable is saying, then you'll find out that your statement about the Western nations being the remnant of the lost tribes of Israel, to be untenable.

In Matthew 15:24, Jesus states, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Jesus also says that "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost" in Matthew 18:11, John also states that "He came unto his own, and his own received him not." It's important to understand that coming to someone is not the same as being to sent to someone. There is difference. Knowing this truth helps unlock the meaning of the parable of the lost sheep and who those sheep actually are. If you find what I'm saying to be dis-jointed and hard to follow, it is - to the carnal mind. If your are honest with yourself, I implore you to seek God out for the truth on this matter.

I think that you are trying to tell this person the same thing i am trying to say, just more gracefully and eloquently.

but the reality is pretty harsh: God did not send his son to people that already knew who he is and rejected him.

you do touch on this point of the "lost sheep"

the 10 northern tribes have many "not lost" sheep among them.
 
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But you're missing the other half of the reality for that to be true: that there is the rest of the world who Jesus did not come to save,
Jesus was perfectly clear; ALL who believe in Me shall be saved.
The whole issue of the 12 tribes of Israel, really does not concern us, as their Spiritual existence is in order for God to fulfil His Promises to the Patriarchs.
When all of the Christians gather into all of the Holy Land, peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9, then we will be divided into 12 groups, according to our individual characteristics and named after each of Jacobs sons.
 
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The whole issue of the 12 tribes of Israel, really does not concern us, as their Spiritual existence is in order for God to fulfil His Promises to the Patriarchs.
i think that you need to flesh out that point. a little further. and try and understand the externalities of what you're actually saying
 
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The so-called "lost" northern tribes of Israel are often confused with the TRUE lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus made it clear who are His 'sheep'; John10:1-18
Note in verse 16 - there are other 'sheep' not of this fold, [the other 10 tribes]....they will hear My voice.
Who heard His voice? The Christians, mostly the Caucasian peoples. From where they were exiled to by Assyria.
 
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Jesus made it clear who are His 'sheep'; John10:1-18
Note in verse 16 - there are other 'sheep' not of this fold, [the other 10 tribes]....they will hear My voice.
Who heard His voice? The Christians, mostly the Caucasian peoples. From where they were exiled to by Assyria.
no:
those others.. were everyone else worldwide who were not of israel, but they did listen to Jesus. thus became receptive to the Spirit of God, and became born again

they were not christians, nor jews prior to that.
 
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i think that you need to flesh out that point. a little further. and try and understand the externalities of what you're actually saying
God does know who the 10 tribes are today. Amos 9:9
It is His secret and we need not concern ourselves about it. Gods amazing Plan will soon come to fruition; then all will finally understand it.
 
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God does know who the 10 tribes are today. Amos 9:9
It is His secret and we need not concern ourselves about it. Gods amazing Plan will soon come to fruition; then all will finally understand it.
then why waste hundreds of hours of your time making forum replies to hint that you might know such things, but you can't actually speak them clearly?
because it sure sounds like you're saying their dna does matter, but not.. really saying that for sure, for well, obvious reasons.

thus there is both jew and greek, gentile and Samaritans.
 
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no such thing unless you believe in some kind of spiritual procession.
which is common among jews and others, re-incarnation, etc.
Revelation 20:11-15 does tell us how every person who has ever lived, will stand before God in Judgment. Those found worthy will receive Eternal life.
those others.. were everyone else worldwide who were not of israel, but they did listen to Jesus. thus became receptive to the Spirit of God, and became born again
This is correct and all who do obey Jesus, are Overcomers for Him - literally His Israelites, spiritually.
And the fact is those who have become Christians, are mainly from the Western nations, who are the descendants of ancient Israel.

So we Christian peoples are actual Israelites by descent and by faith.
 
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So we Christian peoples are actual Israelites by descent and by faith.
no, not by decent. we are grafted in according to paul.

this is a metaphor and not a dna reality.

there was no historical reality to your salvation thus there is no decent.
 
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not by decent. we are grafted in according to paul.
Correct. But the fact is the majority of the Christian peoples are of Israelite descent. Caucasian peoples, joined by some of all the other peoples; from every race, nation and language, ALL grafted into the Olive Tree of Jesus.
 
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The 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel, are now the Western nations and their identity can be established by how each tribe has received the blessings as Prophesied by Jacob and Moses.
They are the Chrisian peoples, who generally abide by Gods Commandments and our presence in the world has been and still is, a calming and peaceful influence.
That we fight each other sometimes, is a sad reflection on us and shows hao successful Satan is - if allowed to be.

WE are the peoples that Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24, and we do display the proper fruit of the Spirit; Matthew 21:43

Since Jesus came, the entire New Testament teaches that DNA has no value, Salvation is entirely dependant on individual acceptance of Jesus and His Commandments.
If Jesus came only to save Jews, why did He cause Peter to take the gospel to Cornelius, or appoint Paul as the apostle to the Gentiles? Why are several of the New Testament epistles addressed to Gentiles who had been saved?
 
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