The Conjunction of Opposites

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Same outcome for the one on the recieving end of it (like my sons mother-n-law, whose friend was stabbed to death by her special needs teenager. Without the individual, Satan is powerless to affect anything ...

All have sin

Sin is of the devil

 

[DamianWarS]

Some say God is soooo good He can't stand to be around any sin. But if this is true, everything in creation is less than God and God shouldn't be able to tolerate anything less than His Own Perfect Self, which again doesn't cut it.

IF God can stand evil in creation, then He can not only tolerate it, but can USE anything in creation for His Sole Perfect Purposes, which only He can comprehend in its fullness.

If good and evil are both from and of God equally as their source, then God's substance is some sort of mix of both but only to the observer. God is indivisible, and to him any sort of separation or labelling would be arbitrary (although we already do it with the trinity). God would be neither good nor evil, he simple is God and what we label as good or evil would be qualitatively the same and sourced back to God but both would be examples of obedience, since we can do nothing else.

A statement that God is good would be utilitarian in that we are the beneficiaries of what we label as goodness. But to vessels of evil, they would say God is evil as they are the recipients of what we label as evil (but that might be only from the good side perspective and again utilitarian). This makes good/evil defined by the observer and not from the source, making all things morally subjective and in the end superficial and illusionary.

The scriptures account for 2 parties. People and devils. They currently walk in the same pair of shoes, people and the tempter or his own. Who in this equation would be the "blasphemer?" Who in the equations would be the "denier?"

Are you advocating dualism? or at least reconciling a form of dualism? God is the master/source of both and under him are the unique parties that manifest what we call good and evil. Absolute goodness is only found in God, where people/humans/creation are imperfect recipients but absolute evil is also equally only found in God, where devils/satan/demons/etc.. are the recipients. So good and evil are not relative (moral subjectivity) perfect examples must exist, for humans, this could be Christ as the perfect form of goodness; for devils, Satan would be the anti-Christ. the problem with this is Christ is God, not some sort of created thing and beneficiary of pure goodness. In this same sense, Satan would also have to be God rather than just a created thing and recipient of pure evil. This would be a difficult thing to reconcile with scripture and traidtional/main stream Christianity. Without perfect examples, we have an indivisible God where good and evil are ultimately arbitrary and only useful to the beneficiaries of goodness, making morality subjective and utilitarian.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

If good and evil are both from and of God equally as their source, then God's substance is some sort of mix of both

Boy, your concept here is just way off base.

God can create anything and not be what He creates.

Your claim is basically pantheistic.

but only to the observer. God is indivisible, and to him any sort of separation or labelling would be arbitrary (although we already do it with the trinity).

I have no issues with the trinity. Do you?

God would be neither good nor evil, he simple is God and what we label as good or evil would be qualitatively the same and sourced back to God but both would be examples of obedience, since we can do nothing else.

God is not in need of our services if that's what you're thinking. God is not in need, period.

A statement that God is good would be utilitarian in that we are the beneficiaries of what we label as goodness.

aka Divine Mercy, eternal no less, without which there would be no creation

But to vessels of evil, they would say God is evil as they are the recipients of what we label as evil

When we tackle the subjects of essentially antiChrist spirits we are in a difficult place, conceptually. God created the destroyer to destroy

God created resistors to resist. That's what they do

(but that might be only from the good side perspective and again utilitarian). This makes good/evil defined by the observer

We can easily perceive resistance in ourselves. It's real, not merely as we define it

For example, when we have an evil or resisting thought, do we perceive it as internal, from the tempter? Or are we blinded to the fact that the tempter, a resisting thought force is within to do so?

and not from the source, making all things morally subjective and in the end superficial and illusionary

You're going down vanity road in trying to construct a God in need in order to justify rewarding you for your good choices and having a God forced to do otherwise for lack of same.

God will get only what He wants out of this creation. Beyond the paygrade of any of us.

Are you advocating dualism? or at least reconciling a form of dualism?

Not at all. I'm largely determinist but not in the Calvinist sense.

God is the master/source of both and under him are the unique parties that manifest what we call good and evil. Absolute goodness is only found in God, where people/humans/creation are imperfect recipients but absolute evil is also equally only found in God,

You keep inferring that The Creator is equated to creation. I'd suggest there is no way that can be. We can take any given part of creation or the sum of it and none of same will equal The Creator

where devils/satan/demons/etc.. are the recipients. So good and evil are not relative (moral subjectivity) perfect examples must exist, for humans, this could be Christ as the perfect form of goodness; for devils, Satan would be the anti-Christ. the problem with this is Christ is God, not some sort of created thing and beneficiary of pure goodness.

The appearance of God in His Own creation is as Paul described, a great mystery. And it will always be that way.

The mystery of iniquity is also an interesting contemplation, seeing we are immersed in it ourselves and it darkens our sights and perceptions

In this same sense, Satan would also have to be God

Boy you are running off the rails with the above noted slant of trying to make a creation equal to The Creator

rather than just a created thing and recipient of pure evil. This would be a difficult thing to reconcile with scripture

It's a false equation to start with

and traidtional/main stream Christianity. Without perfect examples, we have an indivisible God where good and evil are ultimately arbitrary and only useful to the beneficiaries of goodness, making morality subjective and utilitarian.

God is not in need of mankind's concoctions of morality

Your positions have classic fractures, common in the arena. Nothing personal. Freewill based platforms have serious fault lines.