The Lost House of Israel

[Apple Sky]

That doesn't prove anything; that's making an argument from silence.

You might as well say, "Jesus supported the family after Joseph died by making, and selling, many tables and chairs. Because,'there are many other things that Jesus did .....' ".

I reckon John 21:25 says it all & Jesus did travel to Britain with his uncle 'Joseph of Arimathea.

Joseph of Arimathea, a secret disciple of Jesus who buried his body after the crucifixion, was a metal merchant who frequently traveled to Cornwall to acquire tin accompanied by his great-nephew, Jesus.

 

[Strong in Him]

I reckon John 21:25 says it all & Jesus did travel to Britain with his uncle 'Joseph of Arimathea.

You can "reckon" all you like - John 21:25 says nothing of the sort.

Joseph of Arimathea, a secret disciple of Jesus who buried his body after the crucifixion, was a metal merchant who frequently traveled to Cornwall to acquire tin accompanied by his great-nephew, Jesus.

Oh so now Jesus was his great nephew?

Of all the things that Joseph of Arimathea did, I highly doubt that travelling to Cornwall was one of them.
The Bible doesn't tell us, yet you claim to know anyway.

 

[Apple Sky]

You can "reckon" all you like - John 21:25 says nothing of the sort.

Oh so now Jesus was his great nephew?

Of all the things that Joseph of Arimathea did, I highly doubt that travelling to Cornwall was one of them.
The Bible doesn't tell us, yet you claim to know anyway.

AI Overview

Joseph of Arimathea and Glastonbury. Joseph was said to have been a trader, who traveled on occasions to Britain to buy tin from the mines of Cornwall. On at least one of these journeys he was accompanied by a young friend. Together they traveled through southern Britain and reached Glastonbury.

The "blossom tree of Glastonbury" The Glastonbury Holy Thorn, a type of hawthorn tree that is said to have grown from the staff of Joseph of Arimathea. The tree is known for blooming twice a year, once in spring and again in mid-winter, and a branch is traditionally sent to the reigning monarch each Christmas.

Where did Jesus go for 17 years?

 

[Colo Millz]

Ah, Jesus, the Missing Years.

 

[Strong in Him]

AI Overview

I don't care about AI, I care about Scripture.

Joseph of Arimathea and Glastonbury. Joseph was said to have been a trader,

"Said to have been" - not the same as "was".

who traveled on occasions to Britain to buy tin from the mines of Cornwall.

Evidence?
No, I thought not.

On at least one of these journeys he was accompanied by a young friend. Together they traveled through southern Britain and reached Glastonbury.

Yeah, right.

The "blossom tree of Glastonbury" The Glastonbury Holy Thorn, a type of hawthorn tree that is said to have grown from the staff of Joseph of Arimathea.

"said to have grown", not the same as "grew".

Where did Jesus go for 17 years?

Where's your evidence that we went anywhere?
He grew up in Nazareth. It seems likely that Joseph died after Jesus' 12th birthday, because he is never mentioned again. As the oldest boy, Jesus would have then been head of the family and looked after them financially.
He probably handed over to a brother when it was time for him to start his ministry.

If God had wanted us to know exactly what Jesus was doing during those 18 years, he would have told us.

 

[Apple Sky]

It seems likely that Joseph died after Jesus' 12th birthday,

Joseph of Arimathea is a Biblical figure who assumed responsibility for the burial of Jesus after his crucifixion.

Joseph of Arimathea died of old age at the estimated age of 86, according to BBC. He died after converting thousands to Christianity in England and founding Glastonbury Abbey, with his funeral procession reportedly carried by six kings.

• Cause of death: He died of old age.
• Age at death: He was approximately 86 years old.
• Location: He died in Glastonbury, England.
• Legacy: He is credited with converting many people to Christianity and founding Glastonbury Abbey.

 

[Strong in Him]

Joseph of Arimathea died of old age at the estimated age of 86,

I didn't say "Joseph of Arimathea", I said "Joseph" - Jesus' earthly father.

 

[Apple Sky]

I didn't say "Joseph of Arimathea", I said "Joseph" - Jesus' earthly father.

Well why didn't you say 'Joseph Jesus's father' I'm not a mind reader.

 

[Strong in Him]

Well why didn't you say 'Joseph of Arimathea' I'm not a mind reader.

Why didn't you READ my post?
I said:

It seems likely that Joseph died after Jesus' 12th birthday, because he is never mentioned again. As the oldest boy, Jesus would have then been head of the family and looked after them financially.
He probably handed over to a brother when it was time for him to start his ministry.

i) Joseph of Arimathea is not mentioned at the time of Jesus' birth/childhood. But is mentioned after Jesus' death.
ii) Jesus would not have been head of the family if his dad, Joseph, was still alive.

The context can only refer to Jesus' father, Joseph. But maybe you don't understand context?

 

[keras]

Why didn't you READ my post?
I said:

i) Joseph of Arimathea is not mentioned at the time of Jesus' birth/childhood. But is mentioned after Jesus' death.
ii) Jesus would not have been head of the family if his dad, Joseph, was still alive.

The context can only refer to Jesus' father, Joseph. But maybe you don't understand context?

But Joseph; Marys husband is also not mentioned after the incident in the Temple when Jesus was 12 years old. He was certainly not around when Jesus was killed.

The core question under discussion here, is whether the lost House of Israel exists and will be revealed in the end times.
Here is more evidence:
TOBIT, an Israelite of the tribe of Naphtali
This is part of the deathbed words spoken by Tobit, who was taken into captivity by the Assyrian troops of Shalmaneser. He and his wife, Anna, were taken from the town of Thisbe, in upper Galilee, to Nineveh, the capital of Assyria.

Tobit 14:4 I know that all of Gods words will be fulfilled. It will be so, not one of them will fail. Our countrymen who live in the Land [the Jews] will all be scattered and carried off into captivity out of that good Land [the Babylonian attack] The whole of Israel’s territory with Samaria and Jerusalem will lie waste and for a time the Temple of God will be in mourning, burned and destroyed. .

Tobit 14:5 But God will have mercy on them [the House of Judah] and will bring them back to the Land. They will rebuild the Temple, yet not as it was at first, not until the time of fulfilment comes. [the Second Temple]
Then: all Israel will return from their captivity and rebuild Jerusalem in splendour; then indeed Gods House will be built in her as the prophets of Israel foretold.

Tobit 14:7 All the Israelites who are alive at that time and who are firm in their loyalty to God, will be brought together; they will come to Jerusalem to take possession of the Land of Abraham and will live there, securely for ever. Those who love God in sincerity will rejoice, sinners and wrongdoers will disappear from the earth.

Tobit 14:6 All the nations in the whole world will be converted to the true worship of God; they will renounce the idols which led them astray into error, and will praise the Eternal God in righteousness.

Tobit 14:8-9 Now, my children, I give you this command; serve God in truth and do what is pleasing to Him. Teach your children to do what is right and give alms, to be mindful of their Maker and praise Him sincerely.
Tobit died at the age of 112. His son, Tobias, escaped the destruction of Nineveh, by escaping to Ecbatana, in Media. Tobias lived for 117 years.

Verse 4 Tobit prophesies that the House of Judah will also be conquered and dispersed.

Verse 5 Judah returns to the Land under Ezra and Nehemiah.
King Herod rebuilds the Temple circa 50BC, then it is destroyed again, 70AD.
The third Temple is to be built by all Israel after their return.

Verse 7 The descendants of Jacob the faithful Israelites and all who are righteous believers, will enter the Promised Land, to live in peace and prosperity.

Verse 8-9 You, who are the Lord’s people; [faithful Christians] Serve Him, do what pleases Him, instruct your children in the truth, give your time and money, think on Him and praise Him with sincerity.
Reference; Revised English Bible Apocrypha.

 

[Strong in Him]

But Joseph; Marys husband is also not mentioned after the incident in the Temple when Jesus was 12 years old. He was certainly not around when Jesus was killed.

I know.
Apple Sky said that Joseph of Arimathea was Jesus' great uncle and took him to Britain. I said that there is no Biblical evidence for that. In the NT, Joseph, Mary's husband, is there at Jesus' birth and the flight to Egypt. But is not mentioned again after they took Jesus to the temple at the age of 12.
Joseph of Arimathea is mentioned only after Jesus died.
There was a mix up between the two.

The core question under discussion here, is whether the lost House of Israel exists and will be revealed in the end times.

It might be the question of the OP. But, for me, the only question is whether Jesus came to the UK with Joseph of Arimathea and lived in Glastonbury.
It's a legend. The hymn "Jerusalem", which ponders this legend, is very popular - despite not actually being in any hymn books. But there is no Scriptural evidence to back this up.

So whatever "the lost house of Israel" might be, I do not believe it is the UK.

 

[Apple Sky]

Why didn't you READ my post?
I said:

i) Joseph of Arimathea is not mentioned at the time of Jesus' birth/childhood. But is mentioned after Jesus' death.
ii) Jesus would not have been head of the family if his dad, Joseph, was still alive.

The context can only refer to Jesus' father, Joseph. But maybe you don't understand context?

My apologies.

So whatever "the lost house of Israel" might be, I do not believe it is the UK.

Didn't the tribe of Dan move to Ireland ?

 

[Strong in Him]

My apologies.

'S ok.

Didn't the tribe of Dan move to Ireland ?

Doubt it.
There's no Biblical evidence for that, either.

 

[Apple Sky]

Doubt it.
There's no Biblical evidence for that, either.

Oh sorry it was Scotia the daughter of an Egyptian pharaoh who, along with her husband Gaythelos (also spelled Goídel Glas), was exiled from Egypt. They are said to have journeyed through Spain and eventually settled in Ireland and later their descendants migrated to Scotland, which was named after Scotia.

Pharaoh is the word where the word 'fairies' is derived from.

 

[David Lamb]

What about William's Blake hymn 'Jerusalem' ? This says it all.

People write words about all sorts of imagined things. There are all sorts of Christmas carols that say completely unbiblical things, like Jesus being an apple tree, and these words from the carol "Joseph was an Old Man": "Then out spoke baby Jesus, from his mother's womb "Mary shall have cherries and Joseph shall have none"" The fact that Blake wrote a song asking the question, "And did those feet in ancient time walk upon England's mountains green, and was the holy Lamb of God on England's pleasant pastures seen?" is no evidence that the answer is "yes." Indeed, Blake doesn't give the answer.

 

[David Lamb]

I reckon John 21:25 says it all & Jesus did travel to Britain with his uncle 'Joseph of Arimathea.

Joseph of Arimathea, a secret disciple of Jesus who buried his body after the crucifixion, was a metal merchant who frequently traveled to Cornwall to acquire tin accompanied by his great-nephew, Jesus.

Where does the bible say that Joseph of Arimathea was an uncle of Jesus? That Joseph of Arimathea was a metal merchant who frequently travelled to Cornwall to acquire tin? Also, John 21:25 doesn't say that Joseph of Arimathea did many other things that are not written in this book.

 

[David Lamb]

AI Overview

Joseph of Arimathea and Glastonbury. Joseph was said to have been a trader, who traveled on occasions to Britain to buy tin from the mines of Cornwall. On at least one of these journeys he was accompanied by a young friend. Together they traveled through southern Britain and reached Glastonbury.

The "blossom tree of Glastonbury" The Glastonbury Holy Thorn, a type of hawthorn tree that is said to have grown from the staff of Joseph of Arimathea. The tree is known for blooming twice a year, once in spring and again in mid-winter, and a branch is traditionally sent to the reigning monarch each Christmas.

Where did Jesus go for 17 years?

Where did Jesus go? Why did He have to go anywhere? Why not stay in Nazareth? That is at least implied in the bible, where He is often referred to as "Jesus of Nazareth." When He preached in Nazareth, the people of Nazareth recognized Him:

“2 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue. And many hearing Him were astonished, saying, “Where did this Man get these things? And what wisdom is this which is given to Him, that such mighty works are performed by His hands! 3 “Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?” And they were offended at Him.” (Mr 6:2-3 NKJV)

No suggestion that He was a virtual stranger, as He would have been if He'd been in Glastonbury since He was 12.

 

[David Lamb]

Pharaoh is the word where the word 'fairies' is derived from.

Evidence? The Online Etymological Dictionary says:

"fairy(n.)
c. 1300, fairie, "land of the fay," from Old French faerie, from fee (see fay) + -erie (see -ery). By late 14c. in reference to a supernatural resident of fairie.

In ordinary use an elf differs from a fairy only in generally seeming young, and being more often mischievous. [Century Dictionary]

But that was before Tolkien. The sense shift from place to inhabitant is perhaps via intermediate forms such as fairie knight "supernatural or legendary knight" (c. 1300). In Spenser, faeries are heroic and human-sized. As a name for the diminutive winged beings in children's stories, from early 17c."

No suggestion that it is derived from "Pharaoh."

 

[Apple Sky]

Evidence? The Online Etymological Dictionary says:

"fairy(n.)
c. 1300, fairie, "land of the fay," from Old French faerie, from fee (see fay) + -erie (see -ery). By late 14c. in reference to a supernatural resident of fairie.

But that was before Tolkien. The sense shift from place to inhabitant is perhaps via intermediate forms such as fairie knight "supernatural or legendary knight" (c. 1300). In Spenser, faeries are heroic and human-sized. As a name for the diminutive winged beings in children's stories, from early 17c."

No suggestion that it is derived from "Pharaoh."

This is not what Gary Wayne say's in his book 'Genesis 6,' deriving from Queen Scotia who moved to Ireland who was the daughter of a pharaoh.
Of course these are all legends but there's truth in them these legends & you have to admit, Pharaoh does sound like fairy.

 

[keras]

No suggestion that He was a virtual stranger, as He would have been if He'd been in Glastonbury since He was 12.

But there is more than a suggestion Jesus was a stranger to those He chose as His disciples. If He was well known, or even if not, how could Jesus, a tradesman carpenter, suddenly ask men of a similar age; acquaintances or even friends, to drop what they did for a living and follow Him?

The weight of evidence from every angle, leans toward the Holy Family being safely away from the Holy Land, until Jesus attained the age of 30, when a Levite priest can be ordained.
Thinking He spent years in Nazareth, making furniture, is somewhat ludicrous. John the Baptizer said; There is one coming who is mightier than me.....

Regarding the lost House of Israel, the Prophecy in Ezekiel 4:4-6, is very telling.
It states how the two entities; - Israel and Judah, were to be punished by a decreed time of exile out of the Holy Land. Israel 390 years and Judah 40 years. There is a valid explanation for those time periods and how they were increased, for now my point is:- for each House, there is set time of exile, then they will return.
Judah has, but not as Gods faithful people yet. Israel remains scattered among the nations.