Who is on the Lords Side?

[keras]

He who is not with Me, is against Me….. Matthew 12:30

But, all the nations and people groups currently occupying the Holy Land, are not with Jesus. Only a very small percentage of individual Christian people are there. Isaiah 29:1-4 describes how a small Jewish Christian group will survive.
The Jewish State of Israel continues in its rejection of Jesus and all the Muslim entities worship Allah, the satanic moon god, represented by the crescent symbol.

Matthew 12:26 If it is Satan who fights Satan, he is divided against himself - how can his kingdom stand?

Todays kind of situation is nothing new; the Sunni sect of Islam hates the Shi-ite sect and even Christian peoples fight each other. The original example is when the Northern ten tribes of the House of Israel opposed the Jewish House of Judah; Israel is in rebellion against Judah unto this day. 1 Kings 12:19

God is in control and He allowed the Jewish State of Israel to be established by a group of Zionist atheists under communistic principles. Most do not acknowledge their Creator God and they arrogantly rely on their own strength. The criteria for citizenship is not ethnicity, but mainly the practice of Judaism.

The reason God has tolerated their existence is that the Jews are the symbolic face of ancient Israel, while God, thru the Holy Spirit, works with the real Israelites of God - those grafted into the olive tree, Jew and Gentile. It is the faithful Christian peoples who display the fruit of the Spirit. Galatians 5:22-25, Matthew 21:43

Many Bible Prophesies say that the Lord will clear and cleanse the Holy Land and will then gather His peoples to live there. It is our destiny and great privilege to be alive at this pivotal point in human history.
Be ready to stand firm in your faith and trust the Lord, as we pass through all that must take place until the glorious Return of Jesus as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

You simply exalt one batch of sinners over another, just like anyone else.

Your views are skewered.

Jerusalem has been the spiritual equivalent of Sodom and Egypt from the time of its inception. And the same can be said for any and every city and country on earth.

We pray for the peace of Jerusalem, because why? It's under seige.

Just WHO do you think we are praying against?

Middle easterners? Russia? China? North Korea?

Pick a country, any country. Pick a city, any city.

You'll miss the mark every time, and don't know what you're talking about. Too busy staring at the flesh.

 

[keras]

You simply exalt one batch of sinners over another, just like anyone else.

Your views are skewered.

Jerusalem has been the spiritual equivalent of Sodom and Egypt from the time of its inception. And the same can be said for any and every city and country on earth.

We pray for the peace of Jerusalem, because why? It's under seige.

Just WHO do you think we are praying against?

Middle easterners? Russia? China? North Korea?

Pick a country, any country. Pick a city, any city.

You'll miss the mark every time, and don't know what you're talking about. Too busy staring at the flesh.

I do not pray for the peoples currently occupying the Holy Land. Jeremiah 11:14 & 14:11, tell us if we do, the Lord will not listen.
I pray the Gods will be done, and that desire is to have a people living in all of the Holy Land, being His witnesses and the Light to the nations.

Why are you so negative? Why do my posts make you react so nastily?

 

[Lost4words]

I have criticised you before Keras but, you have true faith thats for sure....

God bless you..

 

[Dan Perez]

He who is not with Me, is against Me….. Matthew 12:30

But, all the nations and people groups currently occupying the Holy Land, are not with Jesus. Only a very small percentage of individual Christian people are there. Isaiah 29:1-4 describes how a small Jewish Christian group will survive.
The Jewish State of Israel continues in its rejection of Jesus and all the Muslim entities worship Allah, the satanic moon god, represented by the crescent symbol.

Matthew 12:26 If it is Satan who fights Satan, he is divided against himself - how can his kingdom stand?

Todays kind of situation is nothing new; the Sunni sect of Islam hates the Shi-ite sect and even Christian peoples fight each other. The original example is when the Northern ten tribes of the House of Israel opposed the Jewish House of Judah; Israel is in rebellion against Judah unto this day. 1 Kings 12:19

God is in control and He allowed the Jewish State of Israel to be established by a group of Zionist atheists under communistic principles. Most do not acknowledge their Creator God and they arrogantly rely on their own strength. The criteria for citizenship is not ethnicity, but mainly the practice of Judaism.

The reason God has tolerated their existence is that the Jews are the symbolic face of ancient Israel, while God, thru the Holy Spirit, works with the real Israelites of God - those grafted into the olive tree, Jew and Gentile. It is the faithful Christian peoples who display the fruit of the Spirit. Galatians 5:22-25, Matthew 21:43

Many Bible Prophesies say that the Lord will clear and cleanse the Holy Land and will then gather His peoples to live there. It is our destiny and great privilege to be alive at this pivotal point in human history.
Be ready to stand firm in your faith and trust the Lord, as we pass through all that must take place until the glorious Return of Jesus as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

And looked at. your verse Isa 29:1-4 and the word CHRISTIAN. // CHRISTIANOS was not THERE so why. did you included. it. as there NO CHRISTIANS at THAT. time PERIOD !!

dan p

 

[keras]

I have criticised you before Keras but, you have true faith thats for sure....

God bless you..

Thank you.
God is soon going to find out who has real faith and trust in Him.

And looked at. your verse Isa 29:1-4 and the word CHRISTIAN. // CHRISTIANOS was not THERE so why. did you included. it. as there NO CHRISTIANS at THAT. time PERIOD !!

dan p

Obviously there was no Christians; followers of Jesus before His Advent.
What all the Old Testament uses to refer to Gods people before Jesus, is Gods holy people, believers in God. Ruth is our example in the OT, of how a gentile can become an Israelite of God.

Your posts are hard to read, constructed in a weird manner and demonstrate your bias toward the false Israel.

 

[Dan Perez]

Thank you.
God is soon going to find out who has real faith and trust in Him.

Obviously there was no Christians; followers of Jesus before His Advent.
What all the Old Testament uses to refer to Gods people before Jesus, is Gods holy people, believers in God. Ruth is our example in the OT, of how a gentile can become an Israelite of God.

Your posts are hard to read, constructed in a weird manner and demonstrate your bias toward the false Israel.

And you do have a FALSE ISRAEL , IN A VERSE ??

And would ANYONE , IMITATE someone that are scattered all over the. world and you are always putting them down and

they are not to be found ??

dan p

 

[keras]

And you do have a FALSE ISRAEL , IN A VERSE ??

Not all the offspring of Israel, are truly Israel. Romans 9:6b
....they claim to be Jews, but they are actually a synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:6b

And what does God say He is going to do with them?
Bring those who did not want Me for their King and slaughter them... Luke 19:27
Those who were born to the Kingdom, will be thrown out into the dark.... Matthew 8:12

Get this: The Jews have had almost 2000 years to get right with God. They remain stubborn and obdurate as ever. God will Judge and punish them and only a Messianic remnant will survive. They won't say much. Ezekiel 16:63

Time you and all who have false ideas about Jewish Israel, STOP posting lies and unscriptural rubbish.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I do not pray for the peoples currently occupying the Holy Land. Jeremiah 11:14 & 14:11, tell us if we do, the Lord will not listen.
I pray the Gods will be done, and that desire is to have a people living in all of the Holy Land, being His witnesses and the Light to the nations.

Why are you so negative? Why do my posts make you react so nastily?

Your positions are simply whacky and don't hold scriptural weight. Nothing personal. Your supposed end time accounting is really just another story teller in a space full of imaginations and manipulations, easily proven VOID by the scriptures. You have this imaginary cadre of a few exalted people who end up winning, you included, I'm sure.

My main observation with your positions is that they are literally wildly fleshly sights with zero accounting for what happens behind the scenes. In other words your accounts are seriously void of HALF the players in the drama of scripture presentations, i.e. THE DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS.

I can only imagine what your positions are on this particular subject.

Perhaps you can, you know, cough cough, flesh it out for us?
Then maybe your positions would make more sense. I don't recall your posts ever bringing them into the picture of end times and I'd suggest end times is almost entirely about THEIR DESTRUCTION from the midst of MANKIND and is a massive part of true Christian Hope.

Show me your stuff

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Not all the offspring of Israel, are truly Israel. Romans 9:6b
....they claim to be Jews, but they are actually a synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:6b

And here's another fallacy above and a classic scriptural accounting error/miss.

You only see Jews as stand alone people. Paul quite entirely clearly shows in Romans 11:8 that God put A SPIRIT OF SLUMBER upon them.

Now, does that mean God gave them extra MELATONIN? Of course not!

The spirit of slumber is the adversary, the tempter, the DEVIL and his own. Jesus showed Israel in captivity to THEM. The Romans were just a fleshly side show, also just as captive as Israel.

But the Gospel was always to ISRAEL first and still is, according to Paul.

So now, your picture should rightfully CHANGE to account for the "spirit of slumber" upon unbelieving Israel, as it properly should and you should stop seeing just them and see them as Paul describes, CAPTIVE BLINDED SLAVES of the DEVILs.

Just like every unbeliever is. Per Mark 4:15, Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 3:14, 2 Cor. 4:4 and Eph. 2:2 for quick examples. There is a host of similar depictions in the O.T. but you can start with the simple ones above and get the accounting straight, at least.

rather than this "Jews bad" only sight, as it's just void void void of the obvious

And what does God say He is going to do with them?
Bring those who did not want Me for their King and slaughter them... Luke 19:27
Those who were born to the Kingdom, will be thrown out into the dark.... Matthew 8:12

And again you simply FAIL to discern the real ENEMIES in the pictures who will be destroyed.

Get this: The Jews have had almost 2000 years to get right with God. They remain stubborn and obdurate as ever. God will Judge and punish them and only a Messianic remnant will survive. They won't say much. Ezekiel 16:63

Time you and all who have false ideas about Jewish Israel, STOP posting lies and unscriptural rubbish.

And you my friend belong to the idiotic antisemite crowd. Juvenile imho

 

[keras]

My main observation with your positions is

....they conflict with your beliefs.
You have yet to show how I am wrong. by using scriptural proofs and not opinions.

Show me your stuff

All my articles - over 800 of them are available free on my website- www.logostelos.info .
I use the Prophesies, modern knowledge and historical facts.
The Lords plans for His faithful peoples, are clearly informed to us.

And you my friend belong to the idiotic antisemite crowd. Juvenile imho

No doubt about it- God is an anti-Semite: -
The Judgement of Judah:
Over the 20 centuries since the time of Jesus Christ’s first coming to earth, the Jewish people have suffered terrible persecutions, pogroms and discrimination.
This fulfils several prophecies – that the Jews will be a curse and objects of derision in the world.

Jeremiah 17:1-4 The sins of Judah are recorded on their hearts, the fire of My anger will burn forever.

Ezekiel 21:2-7 Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. I shall draw My sword to cut off everyone from South to North.
I will make away with both the righteous and wicked, My sword will be drawn against everyone from the Negev northward. All courage will fail – it will surely take place.

Ezekiel 21:10-14 A sword is sharpened for the slaughter, polished to flash like lightning.
Should we rejoice in the sceptre of Judah? No, the sword condemns the Rod of My Son. Cry and wail for it falls on My people – all your rulers will be killed.
Testing will surely come – what if the sceptre of Judah, which the sword despises, does not continue? Swing the sword three times, the great sword of slaughter.
Verse 14 is highly significant, as it foretells three judgements of the Jewish people:

1/ The Babylonian conquest in 585BC.
2/ The revolt against the Romans, Maccabees to AD 70, when millions were killed.
3/ The final gathering and judgement of the Jewish people in the Land.

At the trial of Jesus, the Jews said in; Matthew 27:25 His blood be on us and our children. In the parable of the King and his servants, Luke 19:14 ..his subjects hated him and said “We don’t want this man to be our King “

Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine that did not want Me for a King, bring them here ( into the Land, as in 1948 ) and slaughter them in My presence.
Matthew 21:38-43 The parable of the vineyard - The wicked tenants said; This is the Heir, come – let us kill him and get the inheritance. The King will bring those criminals to justice and destroy them. He will then rent the vineyard to righteous tenants.
Therefore the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, ( Jews ) and given to a people who will bear the proper fruit. (Faithful Christians)

Ezekiel 16:35-62 The Lord is saying how He rescued and tended Judah, but her depraved conduct surpassed even that of her sisters, Samaria ( Israel ) and Sodom:
Therefore, you prostitute, because of your brazen excesses, I shall assemble all those around you - whom you loved. I shall bring you to trial for adultery and murder.
When I hand you over to them, they will strip you naked. They will punish you with stones and swords, burn down your houses and execute judgement in the sight of many women. You surpassed the sins of your sisters, Samaria and Sodom.

Judah, judged and punished, in the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal devastation of the entire Middle East. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 22:1-14

Jeremiah 8:3 The Lord says to the leaders of Judah; You will be as dung spread over the ground. This wicked race would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14, Luke 19:27

Jeremiah 18:1-10 The Potter and the clay. v6 House of Israel, I will remould you as a potter would a spoilt pot.
Israel, the Northern 10 tribes, are to be ‘remoulded’. Ezekiel 36:25-28

Jeremiah 19:3 Proclaim to the leaders and citizens of Judah:-
v11 I shall smash this people as an earthen vessel is smashed beyond repair. There will be no room left to bury them.

In the land of Israel today, 42% of the Jewish population are secular ( atheist ) 25% believe in God, but do not actively worship Him and 12% practice Judaism, 8% are the ultra orthodox Haredi Jews. In all the amazing things that have happened to the Jews since 1948 – their resettlement, restored language and wars won, they still do not acknowledge Gods hand in their affairs. He has helped them, for the reason that they are a part of His originally chosen people, but their continued rejection of Jesus and their sinful ways will result in their being virtually wiped out on the Lord’s Day of wrath. Only a remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27
The eventual restoration of a Jewish remnant, in their shame and humiliation. Ezekiel 16:63, Romans 9:27

Psalms 69:36 The children of those who serve Him will inherit the Land and those who love His name will live there. Psalm 37:7-40
Reference; Revised English bible, some verses abridged.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

....they conflict with your beliefs.
You have yet to show how I am wrong. by using scriptural proofs and not opinions.

There's no need to cheap shot me. I have stated very specifically that the "end time" narrative is about the final destruction of the devil and his messengers.

And I'd be shocked if any Christian worth their study salt disagrees with that sight.

However this critical piece is NEVER in your analysis of "things." The general point. You see only people and that is not in the end time cards. It's half a loaf only.

 

[keras]

There's no need to cheap shot me. I have stated very specifically that the "end time" narrative is about the final destruction of the devil and his messengers.

And I'd be shocked if any Christian worth their study salt disagrees with that sight.

However this critical piece is NEVER in your analysis of "things." The general point. You see only people and that is not in the end time cards. It's half a loaf only.

You continue to avoid any proper rebuttals

What is coming in the not too distant future, is the glorious Return of Jesus to reign over the world for the next thousand years.
Jesus will just imprison Satan - not until after the millennium, will Satan be finally removed.
This is what scripture says and is what I promote.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

You continue to avoid any proper rebuttals

I replied many times to your future tense void spot. You're just led to ignore the facts

You think the end time elect are going to slaughter people and/or enslave them?

What is coming in the not too distant future, is the glorious Return of Jesus to reign over the world for the next thousand years.

Which happens after the destruction of the devil and his messengers

Also why is it you never cite Rev. 5:13 before starting your "select few" end time story?

Jesus will just imprison Satan - not until after the millennium, will Satan be finally removed.
This is what scripture says and is what I promote.

When does Matt. 25's sheep/goat account transpire? Before or after the millennium?

Same question applies to Matt. 13's wheat tare separation statements

 

[keras]

I replied many times to your future tense void spot.

Past, present and future tense is not sufficient to build a belief on. The translators bias often causes confusion and if a clearly described event has never happened in the past, then it will in the future.

You think the end time elect are going to slaughter people and/or enslave them?

No. The Lord will do it. AS He did in the days of Noah.
Only those with an intent to accuse and denigrate others, would say that.

Which happens after the destruction of the devil and his messengers

Revelation 20:1-3 simply refutes you.

Also why is it you never cite Rev. 5:13 before starting your "select few" end time story?

Those who praise God then, are the faithful peoples who remain alive after the GWT Judgment. Rev 20:11-15

When does Matt. 25's sheep/goat account transpire? Before or after the millennium?

Matthew 25:31-33, is the separation of the nations, after Jesus has returned. Before the Millennium.

You, like many; seen to have a disconnect between what the Prophetic Word says and what is happening in the world past and present.
You know and accept the salvation offered, but disbelieve what the Bible says about our future. The Lord had acted in His Creation in the past and He will again do so. We should be aware and prepared for dramatic events, as are so graphically described.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Past, present and future tense is not sufficient to build a belief on.

That pretty well covers all possibilities other than multiple fulfillments

The translators bias often causes confusion and if a clearly described event has never happened in the past, then it will in the future.

Depends on the positional perspectives. Another interesting aspect of scripture. God knows the end from the beginning for example, and speaks from that position which encompasses all perspectives.

No. The Lord will do it. AS He did in the days of Noah.

And that is one example where your theories fall entirely off the rails. You "presume" a bloody killing end for people, like the days of Noah, but there is ample scriptural evidence that it will be the exact opposite.

And the REASON you make this error is that you see only people in the equations of scripture when scripture sees people and the tempter-his own. People and devils is the construct of us. Not just people. Anyone who has experienced temptations seemingly out of nowhere can kind of figure this out.

Yes, we have internal temptations and they often morph from defiling thoughts, to sinful words and eventually sinful deeds. We all have sin, present tense, and sin is "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15

At THEE END the tables will be turned and it will be DEVILS who will be utterly destroyed. Not the people.

I could wax on at this point about the first episodes of the flood and S&G but it would be a waste of breath on you if you can't grasp the principles involved, and at this point you are clearly locked in to some other glide path. A VOID one.

Only those with an intent to accuse and denigrate others, would say that.

I accuse no man BUT would accuse the tempter in my own flesh perpetually. Get it?

Revelation 20:1-3 simply refutes you.

I stated the devil and his messengers will be put away from mankind and tossed into the LoF.

You disagree and think Rev. 20:1-3 says otherwise? I'd suggest that everything after the "SEPARATION OF THE PARTIES" transpires in Rev. 5:13 is primarily about the final episodes of the devil and his messengers, NOT the destruction of people.

Jesus gave us the proper flag to fly. Every scripture applies to everyone. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

Throwing scripture at me expecting it to be a refutation of some sort doesn't work when your own reasonings on the subject is, again entirely VOID of the other parties to this drama.

Those who praise God then, are the faithful peoples who remain alive after the GWT Judgment. Rev 20:11-15

You seem to have missed the fact that ALL of creation praises God in Rev. 5:13

Matthew 25:31-33, is the separation of the nations, after Jesus has returned. Before the Millennium.

There are nations of people AND there are nations of DEVILS. <---THESE are the only 2 parties disclosed in Matt. 25's account. You see only people.

You, like many; seen to have a disconnect between what the Prophetic Word says and what is happening in the world past and present.

Needless to say you only see the flesh world and miss what is entirely obvious to me, but unseen.

We are supposed to understand that there is in fact a wicked ruler of this present wicked age.

It is YOU who have been put to sleep on this subject, by that opponent. Nothing personal. It happens to everyone. I don't blame you for forgetting from whence you fell. We all often forget. Rev. 2:5

You know and accept the salvation offered, but disbelieve what the Bible says about our future.

I know what and WHO my hope is.

The Lord had acted in His Creation in the past and He will again do so. We should be aware and prepared for dramatic events, as are so graphically described.

The Lord is always active in His Creation. We don't have to sit around and wait for anything.

I'll agree with you that there will be a great finale. We just have different perspectives. Yours is void of the unseen, yet that is where ALL THE ACTION takes place. In the unseen, at least to us presently. When Jesus cast out devils no one saw the devils running around outside the bodies. They only saw the results in the persons.

Have a DOSE of HOPE:

Isaiah 11:9
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Habakkuk 2:14
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

 

[keras]

Have a DOSE of HOPE:

Isaiah 33:1-6 Woe betide you destroyer, yourself destroyed. After all your betrayals, you too will be betrayed. Isaiah 21:2

Lord, show us Your favour, our hope is in You. Save us when trouble comes. Psalms 74:19, Isaiah 26:16-21
At the crack of thunder, peoples flee – nations are scattered at Your roar. They are stripped of spoil, as by a swarm of locusts. Isaiah 10:17-19, Isa. 18:18-19
The Lord is supreme, for He dwells on high. He will fill Zion with justice and righteousness. Your peoples strength is in Your unchanging stability, their deliverance is in wisdom and knowledge, their treasure is the respect of the Lord.

Isaiah 33:7=9 Listen, brave men cry aloud for help. Those seeking peace are thwarted.
The roads are deserted, no one moves, treaties are flouted. Ezekiel 36:3-4, Psalms 144:7-8
The land is dry. Lebanon, Sharon, Bashan and Gilead are stripped bare. Ezekiel 36:34, Joel 1:19-20, Amos 1

Isaiah 33:10-16 Now, I shall arise and exalt Myself, says the Lord. Psalms 74:22-23 You will conceive chaff and bring forth stubble, a wind like fire will devour you. Whole nations will be as heaps of white ash, like thorns set ablaze. Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7
You who are far away, hear what I have done. You who are near, acknowledge My power. Deuteronomy 30:1-10
The sinners in Zion are terrified, the godless are seized with trembling. They ask; How can we live with this consuming fire? Zephaniah 1:4-6, & 14-18, Isaiah 22:1-14
Those who live righteously and speak the truth, who do not take bribes, rejecting all evil – they will dwell securely with ample food and water. Psalms 85:12

Isaiah 33:17-24 Your eyes will see a King in his glory and view a Land that stretches into the distance. Numbers 24:15-19
You will call to mind what you once feared. Where are they now? Those barbarous people whose speech you could not understand. Psalms 58:10-11, Psalms 37:8-15
Look upon Zion, Jerusalem, city of sacred festivals. A secure abode, never again to be moved. Amos 9:13-15
There the Lord will be in His majesty, a peaceful place. A place of broad rivers, but no ships will sail there.
The Lord is our judge and lawgiver. He is our King who will save us. Zechariah 8:7-8
Your rigging hangs loose, the mast is not secure and your sails are not set. Luke 12:35-36. Then all will take a share in the spoils. Zechariah 9:17
No one living in Zion will get sick and the sins of the people will be pardoned. Psalms 126:1-3
Ref: REB some verses abridged

Verse 5 says ‘the Lord dwells on high’. So, before His Return, we see in verses 3-4 & 10-11, the nations as at present and in V14 Judah’s judgement. V15-16 say His faithful people will live prosperously in the Land, then V17-24 speaks of the Return of Jesus and His reign during the Millennium.